Comic Vine Battle of the Week VOTING: Movie Dredd vs. Movie Batman

@granitesoldier: I thought Air Force One is shielded from nuclear blast pulses, wouldn't that cover an EMP too? But anyway movie are movies and fighting scenarios, are fighting scenarios.

@avilon:

Air Force One is not, I used to think it was as well. I worked with a Master Sergeant who spent 12 years at Andrews AFB on the President's QRF emergency extraction team. He's the one who corrected me, and the man knows more about it than I would ever care to. He also taught me about the NEACP, which is out at Offutt AFB. Why the President's main plane, the one close to him, isn't prepared for such a contingency I don't know. But I am not the President, a Joint Chief of Staff, a Cabinet member, or even a flyer so the reasons will probably never be told to me. Anyways, it still has nothing to do with the fight but it is interesting information.

@marvel_dc_heroes_villains: No it wasn't, it was taking down a group of at least seven (I think more) men simultaneously in the narrows, from Batman Begins when Carmine Falconi sees him.

@granitesoldier: huh, the things you would actually think would be on Air Force One, well someone isn't getting their moneys worth on that thing, IMO. But back to the ranch....

@avilon: they use their weapons in the radioactive desert also but this is the movie. Batmans EMP had limited AOE range and Dredd can fire on him before a) Batman can trigger it b) the gun shuts down but already fired bullets won't. Also if Dredds out of the range of the EMP the NVG in his helmet would still pick up Bats, so unless he pulls a teleported out of his ass he can't close on Dredd fast enough to not get shot. If this fight started out with them hunting one another I might be tempted to give it to Bats, but them starting in plain sight is not good for Bruce.

All these people who bring up the EMP device is really not knowing what they are talking about.

Just to prove how crappy the EMP device is!

Skip to 2:30. Activates it and lights go out. Then lights come right back on after 20 seconds!

Skip to 3:15. A simple Electronic Detonation Device is unfazed! Bane uses simple Encoded Radios as well unhindered.

The argument of EMP is full of holes and shows no reason to work on anything other than Lights.

True.

@cadencev2: @wavemotioncannon: Those systems could have bee shut off before the activation of the EMP, an EMP only works on electronics that were turned on because it overloads their electronic systems (one already off before activation would not be affected, so radiated areas doesn't really matter their no danger of an EMP), also the other lights in the background could have been back ups switched on after, further out could be shielded by the concrete or out of range of the EMP. An EMP's range depends on the charge given to it before its activation. It is highly probable that Batman could give the EMP a higher charge, or he could not, that is really conjecture. Also he can use the EMP multiple times which hypothetically if he is range could shut of Dreads gun. But really it is a probability crap shoot either way.

Listen to your argument. No facts, all "probable" nonsense.

Your argument is flawed at best with no facts.

Everything in this debate is probable because its all hypothetical based on what we know from the movies which is limited and movies can also be notorious for inconsistencies (ie. why didn't Lucius just flood the reactor instead of turning it over, or why didn't the CIA plane see Banes plane or pick it up on radar or something like that). As for the EMP part I think I talk about it on the other response.

I hated the Nolan trilogy. Some of the worse Batman films. The only thing that carried those movies was the Batman namesake. I hope Nolan leaves DCU alone. That being said I pick Dredd. Considering the budget when compared to the Batman movies, it was leaps and bounds better.

Well, I love Batman. And it's un-deniable that for a while he would take the lead . However this is an occasion where I must admit that the judge,jury and executioner would win.A huge thing to bare in mind is that quite often in the trilogy, Bruce's emotions get the better of him. And though he kicks ass hard, dredd kicks it harder.I also think Dredd is much better at using what's around him for cover . Where as movie Batts is just like "WHAT UP I GOT A CAPE !" So in a sense this makes Dredd more agile,rolling around for cover and such.

So my vote is for dredd.

Oh and is there any chance of getting a Toby Maguire VS Andrew Garfield Spider-Man? I think that would be cool to see how the votes would balance out

Dredd.

Dredd because movie batman is probably the worst handling of a hero in hollywood i've ever seen. sloppy punches in the same spot for 50 punches in a row, horrible detective work. terrible terrible terrible

Dredd does not start off shooting because he has to deliver a sentance to bats.

They come back on because Bane actually hit Batman and jhe must accidentally turn off the EMP device. Before it worked just fine on motorcycle and on paparazzi's cameras. And how much time Batman needs to hit Dreed with sleeping dart, anyway? He shoot all those mercenaries very fast.

EMP does not turn stuff on and off. WTH?! It burns crap out, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Lame.......

Firstly, you're debating way out of context here. This is Dredd vs Batman, not Dredd vs The Dark Knight trilogy.

Secondly, the Dark Knight trilogy was far from the worst of the Batman films. Nolan did an excellent job with Batman.

Thirdly, Dredd didn't even profit, it had a loss, and hit an average 7 on IMDb. Nolan's trilogy profited over 1.6 billion dollars and averaged an 8.63 on IMDb.

Now I can't change your opinion but Nolan's trilogy is the most successful to date and Nolan delivered exactly what was promised, realism in a superhero film.

Dredd wins this fight though.

The EMP works, if it is so crappy it would not have knocked out the lights in the first place. (EMP's fry electronics to shut them off). That means the lights turned on afterwards aren't the same ones. they were off before the EMP. From the video it also seems as though the EMP has a range of over fifty feet. This means that Dreads gun is probably fried too from Batman's EMP.

Assumptions, the mother of all **** ups.

I'm mildly amused that the EMP is still being hotly debated...

Okay, lets clarify it:

Weapon: Dredd wins with his advanced future tech

Skill: Nolan Batman has 3 movie to showcase his skills and not-so-effective fighting technique, while Dredd has only 1 movie [and I really want a sequel T^T] ----- So Batman wins 7/10

Plan and Strategy: Dredd has to due with a whole building of mob, thugs and highly trained judges going after him. Those people who say he doesn't show much fighting, here is why: Would you just go H2H with all those people? even you're obviously out-numbered. He formed his strategy, save ammunition, call for back-up, and fight those mob. He done all this while protecting a rookie. Now, what has Batman done? hanged his cape for 8 yrs after his sort of girlfriend died?

Dredd wins 8/10 ....

Dredd is going to have to play this smart and keep it at a distance in order to win. If things come close, Dredd simply doesn't have the h2h feats to hold his own against The Dark Knight.

Although, Bruce isn't exactly a dumb person. I doubt he'll straight up charge Dredd.

With the cover in between them and Batman's superior agility, Batman can definitely avoid the gunfire and try to go for a quick take down using one of his batarangs or another toy in his utility belt.The thing about this, is that Dredd has some other nasty equipment other than guns, like the incendiary gun.

I've yet to see a good feat of him being able to survive explosions as tough as Dredd's.

Now the question is; Can Bruce get close enough to take him down?

I am gonna lean towards no.

Bruce may be agile, but Dredd is smart and can keep this fight at a distance. He definitely has the tools to do so. Batman hasn't really impressed me when it comes to durability.

Therefore, Dredd defeats The Dark Knight.

You realise that you just listed out all the plot holes in TDK trilogy right? Those "feats" are ridiculous in a so called "realistic" comic book movie.

@goddamnironman: The concept of it all still stands though.

I want to write military and police in comics can you PM me how they should be? Thanks.

Apparently this version does, or this is movie mistake, a plot hole. Also we only call this EMP, but we don't know what this device really is. In every other instance it worked perfectly: in TDK it even turn off all lights in Lau building. And as I said: EMP, stealth and sleeping darts FTW

@cadencev2: What assumption is that? Is it the assumption that Lights that have their electronics fried to shut off magically turn back on? With their internals perfectly fine to work again? Or is it the assumption that Dreads gun has this magical shielding which we can't see in movies but we know is there?

@goddamnironman:

they still happened..... whether or not you like it

In the "Judge Dredd Inferno 2000 AD progs 842-853" Renegade ex-judge Grice and hundreds of dangerous escaped prisoners stole a fleet of spaceships and crashed one into the Grand Hall. The electromagnetic pulse disabled the doors and security systems and enabled the attackers to seize the Grand Hall. It looks like in comic Dread world EMPs work too. The evidence so far seems to suggest that Batman has an EMP, Batman's EMP should fry Dread's gun, and Dread without the lawgiver will probably lose to Batman.

going with Dredd.

also gonna watch Dredd again tonight.

fuck yeah Dredd!

Not the same universe as the movie at all. Nice try. I could argue in the Time Burton Batman his tech was very low caliber and never used a EMP in that at all.

C'mon... lets try to use reasoning of the "source material" instead of comparing different versions.

DREDD .

@cadencev2: I know they are different, I mention that this was comic Dredd. It does stand to reason though that sense the movie is based off the comic, that their is no evidence to support in the movie that the gun is shielded, that it probably is not shielded and EMP's would work against the gun. (Unless their is a directors cometary on the movie that would say otherwise, they some times talk about some stuff they don't totally revel in the movies.) On a side note I don't thing Dredd would kill the Tim Burton version but probably think he was a run away clown imo.

I am still not convince it was EMP. Prove to me that suppose "EMP Device" affects tech other than lights. And do not bring up the larger and specifically made Cell Phone/Sonar Device he used in DK.

See how easy it is for me to twist this?

I'm giving this to Batman, no contest. As I mentioned in the comments in the thread on the main page if this is Nolan's Batman then the events of Gotham Knight (canon, as it takes place between the events of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight) would count. In Gotham Knight Bruce faces off against both Deadshot and Killer Croc, with Deadshot being Dredd's superior in the realm of marksmanship and Croc being his superior in physical strength.

In the Deadshot story of Gotham Knight, Bruce is shown deflecting one of Deadshot's (one of the best marksmen in the DCU) bullets from killing Gordon. He then confronts him in a confined, well-lit space (subway tunnel) where he not only survives, but ultimately sneaks behind Deadshot and disarms and then incapcitates him. If Batman can do that to the greatest shots in the world in a confined, well-lit space, then I don't think Dredd stands a chance if they start out at 50 feet, at night, in the middle of a town with a great deal of cover between them. Bruce could just use an EMP to short the limited lighting available (at the same time likely making Dredd's gun useless as it's computerized and not entirely mechanical), which he's shown capable of as early as Batman Begins and then use any array of stealth techniques to distract, sneak up to, and ultimately take out Dredd. He doesn't even need to get close, he could just use one of the darts from The Dark Knight Rises and take him from a distance without making a sound. This isn't even accounting for the fact that Bruce could also remotely call either of his two vehicles with serious firepower (the Tumbler and the Bat) to aide him, or use the remote sonar device from Batman Begins to call a swarm of bats as a noisey, thermal distraction as he closes whatever distance he may or may not need to.

Now, assuming this goes from ranged to up close and physical then you've got to account for Bruce's ability to not only deal with multiple, trained individuals at once (see where he handidly defeats multiple members of the League of Shadows simultaneously by himself in Batman Begins), but individuals that are also his physical superior as shown in the In Darkness Dwells story of Gotham Knight. In that story Bruce faces off against Killer Croc who bites Batman as his teeth are laced with Scarecrow's fear toxin, thereby transferring the toxin to him and disorienting him. Despite this Bruce manages to take down Croc, which is a significant feat itself, one which Dredd can't match. So, in terms of hand to hand Batman would still wind handidly.

I'm not even touching on the areas where Batman's been shown to dodge automatic gunfire (Gotham Knight and Dark Knight Rises), and regardless of whether or not you think that's ridiculous it still happened. Nor am I factoring in other gadgets like bombs, night-vision, etc. Dredd's only hope at winning this is to score a direct hit with a grenade, which I'm sorry isn't likely to happen.

Dredd, easy. He has more resources, more people working with him and is not afraid to go for the kill. Batman ends up as a charred corpse in about 2 minutes.

i feel like movie batman and cap wouldve been a better battle. instead of a guy who has a 1000 guns in on vs a guy who doesnt use one

@cadencev2: Well according to the Batman wiki its an EMP in his belt. This is also further supported by the fact that he uses an EMP smaller then a cell phone to disable the cameras when arrives at charity ball (opening scene) and his latter use of the EMP gun. So the facts seem to suggest that the EMP is in his belt. Also according to imdb, IGN, and several other sources Batman's mastery of the technology is such that he can create a pulse to disrupt or activate cameras, computers, lights, and other electronic devices at a given range of his choice(by this I mean he can chose the range to which he wants to disrupt electronic with in reason). (ling for the Batman wiki http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_%28Christian_Bale%29). So the evidence so far would suggest that the device in his belt is an EMP and it would knock out Dredd's Lawgiver and Dredd with out the Lawgiver will probably lose.

Dredd wins easy

Batman hands down! Since he has a cooler voice. :)

The only reason Batman has that many votes is due to popularity. Dredd shoots Batman in the face. Game Over.

@flashknight: And that's your opinion. I was bored throughout the whole movie. I thought the story was bland. I was expecting another The Dark Knight and another amazing story but I was severely let down. Maybe I set my hopes too high but for the finale, I wanted it to go out with a bang, something unexpected, but that ending was very cliche. Oh, guess what happens! The same thing that has happened in countless other movies! In the end, you have your opinion, I have mine. I refuse to have that movie in my collection. In my personal opinion, The Dark Knight saga ended with the Joker being captured.

Batarang to knock Dredd's gun out of his hand, Bats kicks Dredd in the chops, fight over.

Disagree, but freedom of opinion right? :D

@flashknight: Yep. I work with one guy and he's absolutely astounded that I don't like the movie. He knows I love comics and he doesn't read them, but he loves the movies. He just can't fathom why I don't like it. I wanted to read Knightfall before I saw the movie so I finished it right before and I think that it barely following Knightfall bothered me too (yes, I know that Nolan's universe doesn't follow the comics).

Wikis are fallible Fan Bias BS and have no credibility.

As for the charity ball, funny how no one complain or mention their Cell Hones, I Phones, Pace Makers, ect never shut down. Just the lights.

You say Batman's mastery of technology, he has none! He has hired RnD researchers making this crap.

Evidence you support so far is all Fan made up BS.

Pretty much.

The cameras shut off for one, and those are computer controlled. Also he just wanted the cameras off. As for the wiki's I know they are biased but given what they say is in tandem with his EMP gun, the ballroom event, and the Bane fight scene, all correlate to show that the equipment he uses in all three scenarios is indicative of an EMP. My question to you would be do you have anything to support it's not? There are to many correlating factors in the same area to suggest anything else other than an EMP. Whether Bruce comes up with it or RnD is inconsequential, he is still afforded the mastery over those fields by what technology he has access too.