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Posted by k4tzm4n (44235 posts) 1 year, 2 months ago

Poll: Comic Vine Battle of the Week VOTING: Movie Black Widow vs. TV Green Arrow (512 votes)

Movie Black Widow 41%
TV Green Arrow 54%
Too close to call 5%

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character (both sides think the other is a villain).
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night. Assume they start roughly 50 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover between them.
  • All characters have standard gear.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.
#1 Posted by Wolverine08 (42386 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with Green Arrow.

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#2 Posted by cameron83 (7344 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Movie Black widow being that she excels in combat,speed,etc...

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#3 Posted by ccraft (5279 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wins

#4 Posted by Pwok21 (2383 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow has a ton more feats than Black Widow, with his standard gear and skill set I can see him taking down Natalya.

#5 Posted by dondave (37538 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow

#6 Posted by Xwraith (18296 posts) - - Show Bio

Who do you think I'm voting for?

#7 Posted by Funsiized (3716 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow, Waayyy better showings.

#8 Posted by TheManInTheShoe (3878 posts) - - Show Bio

Since I don't watch Arrow my vote goes to Black Widow, since I know her skills.

#9 Posted by Wolverine08 (42386 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith:

Green Arrow. Do I win a prize?

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#10 Edited by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow for me.

#11 Posted by BuNKiTZ (167 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure Green Arrow would win as being a TV show character, he's had more screen time, thus more chance to show off his skills and whatnot. But seeing as I've only watched a couple of episodes (first two or three), my vote goes to Black Widow. She was really awesome in Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, so I'm sure she's more than capable of putting up a good fight.

#12 Posted by krspaceT (1485 posts) - - Show Bio

Really depends, if Widow flashed the guy it probably would distract him for a knockout, but this Black Widow doesn't show that sort of behavior...

#13 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't see why Ollie wouldn't stomp Natasha, honestly. Much stronger, better skilled, better armed, better reflexes, better trained, better at mostly everything. Natasha's marksmanship shouldn'tbe too much of a bother considering Ollie's come out on top against Deadshot, a deadly killer accurate enough to put two bullets in a man's heart from a building rooftop a hundred yards away. Hawkeye didn't get a single arrow off in his fight with Widow, so it's not like his marksmanship was ever put to the test against her. When it comes to showings against fodder goons, Ollie's fought more of them; he's fought them in cramped spaces, with injuries and what not, and he's always made short work of them. He took down that hired assassin who was skilled enough to kill a man with a pressure point that gave them an aneurysm within fifteen seconds, and he has no qualms about killing people himself. He's dodged arrows after they were fired and inches away from his face, he's packing explosives and knock-out darts, armor that can take a beating, he's essentially a lethal Batman with a quiver and ludicrously inadequate facial coverage.

Arrow 8/10, minimum.

Also let me try fanboy whining out for size: if Widow wins, it's only because the Avengers movie is more popular than the Arrow show!!1!

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#14 Edited by SoA (4838 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow /the hood

#15 Posted by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

Because I've never watched Arrow I voted too close.

#16 Posted by k4tzm4n (44235 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure if anyone will ask, but yes, this is considering Black Widow's weaponry in Iron Man 2 as part of her standard gear.

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#17 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33469 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll get back to you once I'v rewatched Black Widows scenes from Avengers/Iron Man 2

#18 Edited by cameron83 (7344 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Widow being that she excels in combat (look how she did with the Chitauri. Now I know they aren't skilled fighters,but she certainly did more than well against them,especially disarming them in a fight and using their weaponry against them,defeating a group of guys while tied up in a chair in a matter of minutes,easily passing through security guards in Iron Man 2.She is also very acrobatic and has quite the agility,as showed by jumping off caps shield and in her fight with hawkeye and jumping from the chitauri speeder onto a building at fast speeds)

Also,IMO,Hawkye>GA,but that has absolutely no relevance....nah,I love them both equally....I don't even know why I said that.

Anyway,she is CERTAINLY able to keep up,even defeat him with her combat skills,speed,etc...

The main problem is his arrows. Unless they ricochet,she would have no problem dodging them with her speed,acrobatic skill,etc...unless they ricochet....

I've seen feats from Arrow on his show,but at the same time he DID struggle against an acrobatic fighter,but that was at close range..but I don't think Widow will have a problem closing the gap.

I don't know:

Widow 6/10 at max,maybe...

it seems a bit...close.

Because I've seen Arrow,and he DOES have impressive combat skills.

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#19 Posted by FlashKnight (451 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked Scarlett's Black Widow, but for me this is Stephen Amell's Arrow and it's not even close.

#20 Edited by Justthatkid (3960 posts) - - Show Bio

@bunkitz: Which basically is the answer a good one in fact I'm guessing Arrow will win so I'll be a rebel and vote for Widow..

#21 Posted by Fallen_Crippled (6455 posts) - - Show Bio

I have been wanting to see a too close for call victory. I really do, but it will probably never happen. If it is too close, they will probably pick their favorite.

#22 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21878 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow wins. He is super accurate. Stronger. More durable. And possibly smarter. He took down 25 people in the gaurded safe house. That beats black widows hallway fight. Keep in mind I haven't watched the show since the season finally.

#23 Edited by doombot890 (218 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but why would green arrow a novice who has only had like 5 years of training be able to beat an assassin of Black Widows calibre? She fought fucking aliens!

she took out a much better archer in Hawkeye

she lasted a pretty long while against the hulk with a lame leg ffs.

She stared down the eyes of a GOD! and didnt blink!

aslo to the guy who said Oli is better trained than Black widow you sir are an idiot. 5 years on an Island doesnt compete with however many years she had with 1. Shield 2. Her former Soviet work 3. whatever Freelance work she has had.

this is the deathstroke against Ultimate captain america all over again.

#24 Edited by ZZoMBiE13 (710 posts) - - Show Bio

I live in Texas, and I'm a gun owner and enthusiast. And as much as I like Arrow, Green Arrow, and Clint, I just cannot accept an arrow specialist beating a gun specialist. It takes time to reach back and grab an arrow from your quiver. It takes almost no time at all to pull a trigger. All things being equal, lined up sights and all, I'll pick the bullet over the pointy stick every time.

I know it's not the most well thought out argument you may see today. I know we're talking about comics and not the real world. But bullet beats arrow. And Black Widow does too.

#25 Edited by The Stegman (24449 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll just copy and paste what I put on the other page to save me some time and effort.

It's obvious this battle is gonna be heavily biased from the beginning due to people

A. Not watching Arrow, thus being ignorant to Oliver's skills

or

B. Not liking Arrow and picking Widow simply because they like her better.

The truth is, Oliver has her outclassed in almost every category.

Let’s go over Black Widow’s feats shall we? She:

1. Took down some nameless, fodder guards in Iron Man 2

2. Took down more fodder mobsters in Avengers while tied up (Something Ollie also does in the early episodes)

3. Beat Clint Barton, though since they were fighting in an enclosed location, he was at the disadvantage as he couldn’t fully extend his bow to fire arrows accurately. I’m bringing this up because I know others will compare this fight to say that since Natasha beat Clint, she could beat Ollie.

4. Took on the Chitari who had no real feats to show that they were physical superior to humans besides jumping from their ships to the sides of buildings (maybe a twelve foot leap I’d say)

And really that’s it. Now Ollie:

1. Like Natasha, he beats nameless fodder thugs, only he does it on a weekly basis. He has even beaten people while being at a disadvantage, as in “Vertigo” he was heavily drugged yet managed to take down a stairwell full of guards with little difficulty.

2. Unlike Natasha, who fights mostly fodder characters with the exception of Clint, Ollie routinely fights people who are well trained in martial arts, whether it was his training with Slade on the island, or him fighting and eventually beating China White, Helena Bertinelli and Malcolm Merlyn upon later encounters.

3. He is arguably more acrobatic than her as he regularly uses parkour and free jumping to get from location to location. He also dodges bullets with ease, even from someone who is a master marksman like Deadshot.

4. His physical stats are far superior to Natasha’s. As a man he is physically stronger than her and spends most of his days training his body to increase his strength. For Stamina, he once chased down Helena Bertinelli on foot while she was riding a motorcycle and almost caught her if not for a truck blocking his path at the last minute.

5. His long distance weapons, aka, his archery skills are more impressive than Natasha’s. He has been shown to be a great archer, hardly ever missing his target, even when drugged, injured or moving. His accuracy doesn’t end with arrows either, as he was shown to be able to kill someone by simply throwing a kitchen knife. He also regularly uses Flechettes as darts to otherwise disarm or incapacitate people he doesn’t want dead with great accuracy.

Ollie wins.

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#26 Posted by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't see why Ollie wouldn't stomp Natasha, honestly. Much stronger, better skilled, better armed, better reflexes, better trained, better at mostly everything. Natasha's marksmanship shouldn'tbe too much of a bother considering Ollie's come out on top against Deadshot, a deadly killer accurate enough to put two bullets in a man's heart from a building rooftop a hundred yards away. Hawkeye didn't get a single arrow off in his fight with Widow, so it's not like his marksmanship was ever put to the test against her. When it comes to showings against fodder goons, Ollie's fought more of them; he's fought them in cramped spaces, with injuries and what not, and he's always made short work of them. He took down that hired assassin who was skilled enough to kill a man with a pressure point that gave them an aneurysm within fifteen seconds, and he has no qualms about killing people himself. He's dodged arrows after they were fired and inches away from his face, he's packing explosives and knock-out darts, armor that can take a beating, he's essentially a lethal Batman with a quiver and ludicrously inadequate facial coverage.

Arrow 8/10, minimum.

Also let me try fanboy whining out for size: if Widow wins, it's only because the Avengers movie is more popular than the Arrow show!!1!

Hawkeye shot at her in their fight. It was the only shot he missed the entire movie. I've lost count of how many shots Arrow has missed. He has great abs and a face I want to eat ice cream off of but his fights are embarrassing to watch. He wins against thugs but just about every notable fighter has nearly killed him and luck had to save him in every one of these instances.

#27 Posted by cameron83 (7344 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but why would green arrow a novice who has only had like 5 years of training be able to beat an assassin of Black Widows calibre? She fought fucking aliens!

she took out a much better archer in Hawkeye

she lasted a pretty long while against the hulk with a lame leg ffs.

She stared down the eyes of a GOD! and didnt blink!

aslo to the guy who said Oli is better trained than Black widow you sir are an idiot. 5 years on an Island doesnt compete with however many years she had with 1. Shield 2. Her former Soviet work 3. whatever Freelance work she has had.

this is the deathstroke against Ultimate captain america all over again.

Hm...very good points. She does have MILES of experience over him. But calm down,lol.

I mean,again Green Arrow did struggle in one fight against a blonde haired chick.

But,again,he DOES have impressive showings that may rival her own.

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#28 Edited by Admiral_IronBeast (151 posts) - - Show Bio

"incapacitation, knockout, or death all count as elimination"

Okay here's my take on this one--both Green Arrow and Black Widow excel in hand to hand combat, with BW being maybe little more agile and GA perhaps the stronger of the two. That said, this will not be a fist fight--this will be an arrow vs. gun battle. Arrow is far more accurate than Widow, but widow's agility will be more useful in this type of battle... so I would have to say that both are very equally matched.

That said, I am going with Black Widow on this one. To quote Professor X "a good blaster at your side is a lot more effective than a hokey religion and a spear." Likewise, Widow's guns are better than GA's arrows. I believe Black Widow to be the far more ruthless of the two, and when it comes down to it a gun is still a heck of a lot more powerful than a bow. Both will be unable to get a headshot on their skilled adversary, and as such Widow's bullets will do far more damage than GA's arrows. Black Widow gets hit with a non-lethal arrow as she managed to slightly dodge it, and GA takes a stream of bullets to a non-vital body part. GA bleeds out first, and Widow wins with a kill 8/10 times

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#30 Edited by Wolverine08 (42386 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll just copy and paste what I put on the other page to save me some time and effort.

It's obvious this battle is gonna be heavily biased from the beginning due to people

A. Not watching Arrow, thus being ignorant to Oliver's skills

or

B. Not liking Arrow and picking Widow simply because they like her better.

The truth is, Oliver has her outclassed in almost every category.

Let’s go over Black Widow’s feats shall we? She:

1. Took down some nameless, fodder guards in Iron Man 2

2. Took down more fodder mobsters in Avengers while tied up (Something Ollie also does in the early episodes)

3. Beat Clint Barton, though since they were fighting in an enclosed location, he was at the disadvantage as he couldn’t fully extend his bow to fire arrows accurately. I’m bringing this up because I know others will compare this fight to say that since Natasha beat Clint, she could beat Ollie.

4. Took on the Chitari who had no real feats to show that they were physical superior to humans besides jumping from their ships to the sides of buildings (maybe a twelve foot leap I’d say)

And really that’s it. Now Ollie:

1. Like Natasha, he beats nameless fodder thugs, only he does it on a weekly basis. He has even beaten people while being at a disadvantage, as in “Vertigo” he was heavily drugged yet managed to take down a stairwell full of guards with little difficulty.

2. Unlike Natasha, who fights mostly fodder characters with the exception of Clint, Ollie routinely fights people who are well trained in martial arts, whether it was his training with Slade on the island, or him fighting and eventually beating China White, Helena Bertinelli and Malcolm Merlyn upon later encounters.

3. He is arguably more acrobatic than her as he regularly uses parkour and free jumping to get from location to location. He also dodges bullets with ease, even from someone who is a master marksman like Deadshot.

4. His physical stats are far superior to Natasha’s. As a man he is physically stronger than her and spends most of his days training his body to increase his strength. For Stamina, he once chased down Helena Bertinelli on foot while she was riding a motorcycle and almost caught her if not for a truck blocking his path at the last minute.

5. His long distance weapons, aka, his archery skills are more impressive than Natasha’s. He has been shown to be a great archer, hardly ever missing his target, even when drugged, injured or moving. His accuracy doesn’t end with arrows either, as he was shown to be able to kill someone by simply throwing a kitchen knife. He also regularly uses Flechettes as darts to otherwise disarm or incapacitate people he doesn’t want dead with great accuracy.

Ollie wins.

Again, this.

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#31 Edited by GodOfMischief (641 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Black Widow wins. I say this because I think she has far more superior skills and feats. Taking down armed men while tied to a chair; also holding her own against multiple Chitauri.

Don't get me wrong, Ollie's got skills, just not enough to take down Natasha. Unless he keeps her at range, then I believe Black Widow takes the majority.

#32 Edited by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

Again, Hawkeye is certainly a better archer, but considering he didn't fire a single shot against Widow and went H2H against her (a field he's featless in), it's not much to write home about. Wasn't aware running away from the Hulk or staring at Thor were feats now.......

At any rate, here are some displays of the Hood's capabilities if anyone's interested.

Fight with Deadshot:

Taking down dozens of men:

Fight with Malcolm Merlyn (who is superior to him), where he wins by stabbing through his own body with an arrow to hit Malcolm:

@doombot890 said:

aslo to the guy who said Oli is better trained than Black widow you sir are an idiot. 5 years on an Island doesnt compete with however many years she had with 1. Shield 2. Her former Soviet work 3. whatever Freelance work she has had.

You're sweet. Widow's training has never been elaborated upon, but I certainly appreciate you judging my mental capacity based on the nothing you're speculating with. Ollie was trained by Slade and Shado. It's not like he picked up fighting by himself or anything.

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#33 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, I've had my say. Let's see how this turns out.

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#34 Posted by The Stegman (24449 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, I've had my say. Let's see how this turns out.

As I said above, I agree, Ollie would win this, but I really think it's gonna turn into a popularity contest, more people like Avengers than Arrow so they'll vote for her. Hell, the first comment on the other page says "I've never seen Arrow, so I vote BW" how the hell can you vote against someone you've never seen before??

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#35 Edited by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Anyway, I've had my say. Let's see how this turns out.

As I said above, I agree, Ollie would win this, but I really think it's gonna turn into a popularity contest, more people like Avengers than Arrow so they'll vote for her. Hell, the first comment on the other page says "I've never seen Arrow, so I vote BW" how the hell can you vote against someone you've never seen before??

I can't really comment because I gleefully played the popularity game on the Deathstroke vs Ultimate Cap thread :P

But yeah, popularity will play a factor. Not much you can do about it.

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#36 Posted by cameron83 (7344 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman said:

@citizenbane said:

Anyway, I've had my say. Let's see how this turns out.

As I said above, I agree, Ollie would win this, but I really think it's gonna turn into a popularity contest, more people like Avengers than Arrow so they'll vote for her. Hell, the first comment on the other page says "I've never seen Arrow, so I vote BW" how the hell can you vote against someone you've never seen before??

I can't really comment because I gleefully played the popularity game on the Deathstroke vs Ultimate Cap thread :P

But yeah, popularity will play a factor. Not much you can do about it.

Actually if that really dictates things (which,right now,it seems that it doesn't) then Oliver would easily win considering the Shows high popularity.

I mean,it's the case for many people,but the same goes for Green Arrow....

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#37 Posted by EvilPenguin543 (178 posts) - - Show Bio

Three words: GREEN ARROW'S ABS.

#38 Posted by Sovereign91001 (4436 posts) - - Show Bio

Voted for Ollie.

#39 Posted by Michael_Moran (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow has much better feats

#40 Posted by The Stegman (24449 posts) - - Show Bio

Three words: GREEN ARROW'S ABS.

Dude makes me feel like less of a man every time I watch the show, this must be what women feel like when compared with Scarlet Johansson :P

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#41 Edited by jstndmnd (1009 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Green Arrow more, but I don't think he could handle the skills of Black Widow.

#42 Posted by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Technically, Hawkeye shot at Widow twice in their fight but one was when she was already inside his firing range. The other was a completely legitimate shot at her. You have said Hawkeye didn't get a shot off on Widow twice now. That is not accurate.

#43 Edited by KRYPTON (1891 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone knows Arrow is going to win this one.

#44 Posted by G_Money_Christmas (883 posts) - - Show Bio

I chose Black Widow but I don't really know anything about the TV show Green Arrow so I'm not sure about it.

#45 Posted by SynCig (441 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow easily and I am a fan of Arrow. A career as a spy vs 5 years on an island and then time as a vigilante. I don't think there is any debate but the voting so far disagrees with me.

#46 Edited by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate the Black Widow, but that scene in the Avengers where she sitting in a chair and escapes is cool. I don't like the character in comics either. I choose her over Ollie .

#47 Edited by thespideyguy (2642 posts) - - Show Bio

I went with Arrow. Black Widow has professional training, whereas Green Arrow was put on an island with a bow. As far as combat goes they're both good at close range hand to hand combat.GA has proven he can hold his own in close range hand to hand but, again BW has government training. In that scenario she wins as demonstrated here.

If BW closes in she deploys those shock discs and then smoke and strangles him with that string thing. But for her close in she would have to advance to him, which would leave her open and vulnerable a few arrows and she's down. Of course she's too smart to leave herself open so she'd advance between the cover. The average running speed for a women is 1/3rd mile per hour, where the average speed for an arrow is 170 mph. Also an arrow in the leg can decrease running speed. So Arrow.

#48 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5424 posts) - - Show Bio

Never watched Arrow. Need some feats otherwise BW ftw!!

#49 Edited by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@thespideyguy said:

I went with Arrow. Black Widow has professional training, whereas Green Arrow was put on an island with a bow. As far as combat goes they're both good at close range hand to hand combat. But GA has a quiver full of arrow's that hit at long range

Bullets don't hit at long range?

#50 Posted by The Stegman (24449 posts) - - Show Bio

I chose Black Widow but I don't really know anything about the TV show Green Arrow so I'm not sure about it.

Dude, if you don't know enough about both fighters to accurately judge, then just don't vote, you're contaminating the results.

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