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Posted by k4tzm4n (34903 posts) - - Show Bio

Welcome to the second Comic Vine Battle of the Week! Last week, Daredevil and Nightwing faced off and the hero from Hell's Kitchen took a fair lead. This week, we had two insanely badass characters go head-to-head: Deathstroke and Ultimate Captain America. Both are physically superior to peak human characters, gifted tacticians, unbelievably skilled and sporting all kinds of gear. DC's mercenary has the durability edge thanks to his Nth metal armor, but Captain America has the slight edge in various physical departments and that shield is certainly not easy to overcome. The Comic Vine crowd had 5 days to vote for a winner and the results are in. Deathstroke takes 56% of the 572 votes!

Ultimate Steve Rogers went down swinging, though. The super soldier earned 38% of the votes and 6% thought the fight was too close to call. I can't say I'm too shocked by this verdict, but I gotta admit, I thought it would be closer. Yes, Deathstroke's received a large popularity boost as of late (which unfortunately wasn't enough to save his series) and he is a truly formidable character, but Ultimate Captain America is... well, he's a total boss, man. While the Terminator is disputably more skilled and smarter, I think Ultimate Cap has the raw physicals, drive and talent to keep in the game long enough to overcome Slade's advantages. The guy had the striking power to temporarily drop Ultimate Hulk in close range (without his shield), the reflexes to block projectiles from Ultimate Hawkeye, and is a essentially a harsher and physically superior version of his 616 counter-part. I think he has everything needed to take the edge over Slade in a very prolonged, brutal and fantastic brawl, but alas, the people have spoken!

Viner Argument of the Week is by Alak

"I think a lot of people who are voting are underestimating the other side (either by downplaying feats or casually dismissing arguments). Both Ultimate Cap and New 52 Deathstroke are forces to be reckoned with. They have actual military training, they've received superhuman augmentation through their respective military branches, and they've continued to train and fight long after their wars (WWII and Vietnam, respectively). Both are capable of wrecking full superpowered teams all by themselves, and both are willing to finish their fights to the death. They've conquered opponents who are physically superior to themselves in every way. I should vote for the third option since this fight could easily go to either combatant, but since I view draws as cop-outs, I'm going to force myself to pick (and debate) a winner.

I choose Deathstroke. His feats, in my opinion, are better than Ult. Captain America's (which are still incredible). While Steve is easily a bullet dodger, perhaps even a timer, he's always seen taking on crowds that are shooting everything they have at him. Slade, however, has some showings of him wiping out crowds before they can even pull the trigger (Issues #1 and #2 are probably the best examples). His durability seems to edge Steve's out and I attribute it to his new Nth metal armor. Surviving a submarine that easily weights tens of thousands of tons isn't a bad feat. Surviving (and winning) an encounter with someone who shrugs off nuclear warheads is an even better feat that also illustrates his physical strength.

Captain America's shield is obviously his greatest weapon. Nothing else in his arsenal can do anything to Deathstroke anyhow. Yet, nothing in Deathstroke's arsenal can get past Steve's shield. This has the potential to play out as the proverbial "Unstoppable Force vs. Immovable Object" scenario. I don't believe it will, because Cap uses his shield in an offensive manner in all his fights. As soon as he initiates an offensive maneuver (shield strike, shield toss, shield bash, etc.), he no longer has a defense. Deathstroke does have the luxury of going on the offensive without worrying much about consequences due to his body armor. All it takes is one opening, and he can tag Steve with his sword. It may take hours to find that opening, but it will eventually happen."

I disagree with the poll and think Ultimate Captain America wins, but what about fellow Comic Vine staffer, Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder?

"Ultimate Cap VS Deathstroke is the ultimate stalemate potential battle as Ultimate Cap has been shown to be far more ruthless and take-no-prisoners than his more fair-minded 616 counterpart, and I think that, combined with simple logistics, is going to win him the day. They both have comparable enhanced abilities and their skills are neck-and-neck, as are their fierce mentalities, so it comes down to armament. While Slade has a veritable arsenal on his personage, Cap has the literal ultimate defense in his shield and that's why I think it's Slade's to lose: he HAS to come at Cap, while Cap can just play a waiting game. Slade's been shown to be a great many things, but limitlessly patient and armed for defense isn't one of them and the moment he goes on the offense is the moment that he's lost the fight. Cap breaks his fancy cutters, gives him two or three good thwacks in the throat or temple with that shield, Slade crumples."

And what does Justin Jordan, the latest DEATHSTROKE writer think of this?

"I think the edge here is probably going to have to go to Slade. I think Ult Cap is stronger, but Slade has loads more experience and is very, very smart. And I think old age and treachery is going to win, most of the time. Now having said that, it's going to depend on the fight. If it's just Slade versus Cap with no prep, Slade is probably going to have to cut and run."

Lastly, here's a hint for next week's battle. Check the homepage on Monday to see who's facing off next!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. This is the part where he shamelessly plugs his Twitter page in hopes of getting a new follower or two.

#1 Posted by FlashDamn (947 posts) - - Show Bio

something bold on the right and the left Rhino?

#2 Posted by TheManInTheShoe (3878 posts) - - Show Bio

Might be Beast, not the same picture but the claws is hard to miss.

#3 Posted by LifePool (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Not surprised, Deathstroke kills for a living, 'nuff said.

Thing vs Black Panther?

#4 Posted by Farkam (5275 posts) - - Show Bio

The left is indestructible hulk. The right could be venom.

#5 Posted by mewmdude77 (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Venom on the right?

#6 Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (2684 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk VS Pitt?

#7 Posted by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Sabertooth.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34938 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Cap may be a bad ass but he's not as skilled or as smart as 616 Cap, that's why I say Slade wins.

Hmm as for the next fight I donno, Hulk Vs a road kill scorpion?

#9 Posted by Xwraith (21371 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs. Venom

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#10 Posted by thenexusrebound (249 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Venom is coming out to play Monday or Sabertooth.

#11 Posted by Saren (25062 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs Venom?

Venom.

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#12 Edited by broo1232 (1520 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs Venom?

#13 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

I should have voted. Captain America wins.

#14 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6612 posts) - - Show Bio

The left is the Thing ... the right I'm not so sure ...

#15 Edited by Farkam (5275 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Teerack (7418 posts) - - Show Bio

Look like Thing vs Beast.

#17 Posted by Namor1987 (1891 posts) - - Show Bio

Sabretooth on the right. That's how leaps. Venom doesn't leap like that.

#18 Posted by Saren (25062 posts) - - Show Bio

Almost forgot despite the fact that I've been waiting an entire week:

@cadencev2

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#19 Posted by Farkam (5275 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Saren (25062 posts) - - Show Bio

It could be Abomination on the right.

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#21 Posted by louieamps (1 posts) - - Show Bio

uhhhh...guy on left is torque? *hoping it is*

#22 Posted by ccraft (5559 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs Venom

Knew Deathstroke would win

#23 Posted by laabitres (471 posts) - - Show Bio

yall should do deathsroke vs wolverine or deadpool

#24 Edited by Kid_Nacho (52 posts) - - Show Bio

Surely anything involving the Hulk would be a non starter. His power levels have reached God tier in recent years and it's hard to make an argument about anyone besides Thor standing a chance considering how much Hulk dicked on everyone during his Green Scar phase

#25 Posted by jashro44 (25327 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk VS Arkillo?

#26 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18678 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk Vs Venom

Hulk utterly trashes him

#27 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18678 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs Venom?

Venom.

your probably joking but how could venom beat hulk?

#28 Posted by k4tzm4n (34903 posts) - - Show Bio

It's tempting to give additional hints, but I'll resist :D

#29 Posted by LordRequiem (1323 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke beating someone that shrugs off nuclear warheads is just the dumbest thing. I don't know who that means, but if they could survive such things, there's nothing Slade would have at his disposal to endanger them.

#30 Posted by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to go out on a limb from the other guesses and say that the second silhouette is 2099 Hulk - I'm probably completely wrong :P

#31 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1174 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by Saren (25062 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Hulk vs Venom?

Venom.

your probably joking but how could venom beat hulk?

Spider-Man beat Hulk.

Three times.

Venom is better than Spider-Man at everything.

1+2=3.

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#33 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1174 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: the whole point of these battle threads is to put two characters who do not inhabit the same universe. I agree with jashro44 who said it was probably Hulk vs. Arkillo

#34 Posted by jashro44 (25327 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke beating someone that shrugs off nuclear warheads is just the dumbest thing. I don't know who that means, but if they could survive such things, there's nothing Slade would have at his disposal to endanger them.

Yeah, I kind of feel popularity won the day here.

#36 Posted by The Average Bear (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure the guy with claws is Venom

But the other guy, Colossus? Thing? I'm at a loss

#37 Edited by Med (291 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing vs. .......sabretooth? beast?

#38 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18678 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@citizenbane said:

Hulk vs Venom?

Venom.

your probably joking but how could venom beat hulk?

Spider-Man beat Hulk.

Three times.

Venom is better than Spider-Man at everything.

1+2=3.

To....much....flawless....... logic.....

Wait....spider-man beat firelord....that would only mean....

Sh*t

Venom > Firelord.

#39 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by k4tzm4n (34903 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@citizenbane said:

Hulk vs Venom?

Venom.

your probably joking but how could venom beat hulk?

Spider-Man beat Hulk.

Three times.

Venom is better than Spider-Man at everything.

1+2=3.

This is the third time you've given me a good laugh this week. Thank you.

#41 Edited by k4tzm4n (34903 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Its all good. At the end of the day it was a Popularity contest and I was able to swing the vote making it better than what it was.

@laflux @slimj87d @k4tzm4n @god_spawn

Bamsky.

His eye is on the wrong side, therefore that image is CLEARLY a fake! :P

#42 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5656 posts) - - Show Bio

@reignmaker: yes half the clowns who voted assumed it was 616 Cap

#43 Posted by God_Spawn (38293 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade beat a guy who shrugs of Nukes. Cap loses to a Nuke.

Slade>>> Majestic>>>Nukes>>>>>>Ult Cap.

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#44 Posted by k4tzm4n (34903 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade beat a guy who shrugs of Nukes. Cap loses to a Nuke.

Slade>>> Majestic>>>Nukes>>>>>>Ult Cap.

Did someone say NUKE?

#45 Posted by DH69 (4193 posts) - - Show Bio

so next week is wrecker vs venom?

#46 Posted by desmond006 (598 posts) - - Show Bio

I think venom vs thing.

#47 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Whoops, I was basking in Caps awesomeness I miss the minor detail.

Fixed! Now its cannon :)

#48 Posted by jaybefre (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk vs some poor unlucky opponent. We all know Hulk owns everyone...

#49 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade beat a guy who shrugs of Nukes. Cap loses to a Nuke.

Slade>>> Majestic>>>Nukes>>>>>>Ult Cap.

Oh yeah!?

Hulk took a 3 megaton nuke. Cap put Hulk down with a kick to the nuts.

Cap > Hulk >>> 3 Megaton nuke >>>> 1 Megaton Nuke >>>>>>>>> Slade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depowered Majestic.

Bamsky son!

#50 Posted by batarang614 (132 posts) - - Show Bio

great as always