Can we find a way to agree on Thor's combat speed?

I don't need to make a thread that gets pinned to the top so everyone can see, but I do want something that disseminates this simple information so that people can stop talking crazy about how thor has fast combat speed. What if I make a thread talking about this and add tons of scans? And focus on scans that arent from decades ago when he actually had a couple good reaction/combat speed feats.

This isn't about hate or ridiculing anyone's favorite character. Its about spreading the correct information to stop the spreading of misinformation.

If you have any suggestions on how to accomplish this, I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for your time guys.

I'm just gonna copy what I posted on another thread.

Thor is only 640 pounds. He has the strength to lift millions of tons. That level of strength acting on something that weighs only 640 pounds will create a huge amount of force, and a huge amount of speed. So based on his strength alone, he is super fast. However Thor almost never fights like this, and he likes to use his strength and power. Also, marvel likes to downplay him against street levelers. Which is why spiderman can run all over him. There's also the fact that spiderman is no threat to thor and he has no reason to react.

So basically, he's super fast, but doesn't use it. I'm also not sure why old scans aren't ok. They are still canon.

This wont end well

Also, this ^

Nothing negative guys, please. Help me out.

There is no way for everyone to agree on it because it has ranged so much according to the writer and who he is fighting. Some people will always prefer the low ball panels while others will always use the highball ones.

Scans or he's slower than Wolverine.

You want people on the internet to agree on something?

lol, thatd be fantastic, yes. I want it firmly established. Kinda like how everyone rightfully agrees that Galactus > Wolverine.

Depends on what context people want to use him as so I agree with spambot. If they want thor to win they will say his combat speed is high

Eh. Thor Just doesn't use it.

most of the threads where people argue about thors combat speed are in the battle forum.....a lot of people i see in the battle forum don't post in gen discussion, so a lot of the people who mainly argue about his combat speed..wont even see this thread

i think youre right

If he is not fast How does he spin the Mjolnir like a propeller?

mjolnir does lots of things on its own. so id imagine its spinning on its own.

Well, he doesn't have to be particularly fast. All he really has to do is start it spinning and momentum will do the rest.

@comicuser: You are wrong! Thor is the one that swings the hammer!

@vks: lol why are you yelling? and soo um cool. he has a superfast wrist. cool. can we now focus on what my thread is about?

Imagine how many rpm can a propeller make!

Can we find a way to agree on Thor's combat speed?

When jimmies are no longer rustled, of course.

@comicuser: i now see that the thread is for you to prove your point that Thor is not fast, not spreading the correct information!

If he has a superfast wrist he is fast!

im sorry you feel that way.

Well, Thor can lift an excess of 100 tons. I'm sure he has the strength to swing that hammer pretty fast. And, like I said, once he gets it going momentum will do the rest. And even if it's all due to the speed of his wrist, how does that translate to combat speed?

I understand you point, but if he is fast with the wrist why can't he be fast with his arms?

In this specific case the rpm will make the torque, and not the other way around! (Based on Stan Lee description)

Maybe in the end you are right i just post my opinion as Thor reader, if there is one thing that i don't care is the comicvine battle forums, that is the all point of this thread!

Any other combat speed feats besides being able to spin Mjonir? Also, that doesn't really show reaction speed.

Read a post awhile ago from one of the thor threads. and personally i think thor has a very good reaction speed.

Here is the post:

@bodinson said:

HOLD UP @comicuser you have been on this site for under a month. How do you post over 1,200 times in one month? I've been on this site for over a year and I haven't gotten to 800 yet. Granted I had to take a substantial break for college stuff during that time but still. Over 1,200??

cute, make everyone on the internet agree something, especially on something as obviously varied as this. might as well wait for end of days then.

@comicuser: IMO minimum supersonic, hypersonic at max (I think that he is hypersonic)

Who Thor? He isn’t anywhere close to hypersonic, at least not in recent time. Apart from lack of more recent demonstration of combat speed, we have seen Thor struggle against Wolverine, Champion and Moongoose who directly mocked his speed. In fact someone actually even asked Tom Brevroot on the matter and he explained the same thing, while Thor is capable of flying extremely fast he doesn’t have the traditional combat speed that people would have liked.

This might not have been true back in the day, where Thor was clearly created to be more powerful than Surfer, it remains true of the current incarnation.

@claymore1998: But he tagged Hyperion and Gladiator. :O

@realitywarper:

That is not surprisingly because its commonplace in marvel. Hulk, for example, has tagged both without much problem too as well as many other speedsters. Similarly, Mangog had no problem tagging Silver Surfer when they fought.

It's actually pretty common place for speed to be sidelined in most comic book fights.

Let me pick up a book with thor in it...ok if you turn the pages fast thor is really fast.

LOL. Thats nothing. Ive seen Frozen go from like 10 posts to 12,000 in like 3 months

@claymore1998: IMO there is some confusions between the top speed (or travel speed), the combat speed and the reaction time.
I see lots of posts with people saying that characters with extreme reaction time can strikes 1000 times per seconds...
I think it is a misconception.
I am well versed in roleplaying mechanics, especially in the GURPS rpg, and I think that the comic books use some of this mechanics in a certain way when the characters are made.

I just think that a character like Superman will react better and faster than Thor, I mean that he will surely hit first, but that don't stops the other character to land his strikes in the movement of the fight, if he can tank the hits of course.

@realitywarper:

That’s a slightly different debate from the topic we started from and my view on the manner, to some extent, mirrors your own. Characters fight in comics in a way that is most entertaining to read as opposed to how they should fight given their respective abilities. The reasoning behind it being, that's what the writers want to achieve, a comics that’s fun to read.

Heading back to the topic we initiated this conversation from, in terms of combat speed, looking at more recent evidence Thor is pretty slow.

@claymore1998: In fact, comic book characters fights like the WWE superstars. ^^

@comicuser: That's insane!

Here; Wolverine thinks he's fighting Sabretooth, and comments that he (who is actually Thor) seems slower than Sabretooth normally is. Thor has to resort to an area of effect attack to take down Wolverine.

@greatcaesarsghost: we can ssume hes holding back strength but not speed.

He's pretty slow....in more ways than one....

Lol. Thor has slow combat speed. High strength. And can travel fast because his hammer can travel FTL.

If he's holding back strength then he is also holding back speed. For instance, punching or striking power is directly tied to speed and mass. Strength operates outside of the equation to some degree but if Thor is holding back it would have to be in the speed of his attacks since he cannot change his mass. Strength per se has more to do with overcoming resistance as when a heavy weight is lifted than it does striking power.

@spambot: not in comics. Moreover, hes having an inner monologue where hes telling himself wolverine is much too fast and he cant avoid his hits and wolverine keeps dodging thors finest attacks. Hes not holding back on speed, just strength.

@wearemany: Its still not possible to hold back on strength while using full speed when striking something. The two go hand in hand.

@spambot: again, not in comics. Thor couldnt hit him and he cpuldnt avoid wolverines hits. The art shows us that and thors inner monologue reinforces it.