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Call me old fashioned but I always think that characters are more interesting if someone is a hero or a villain and nothing in between. To me the anti-hero gets very limited he will just do things the hero won't do.
I prefer to read books where someone is a hero if I am reading a villain book then I like something like Mark Waid's Empire the characters were truly villainous and not really grey.
I am more of a "hero" type person rather than the anti-hero. Not to say that one is better than the other, it is just what I prefer. I with the anti-hero, he/she is more of a 2 dimensional character because it is either kill or be killed, very simple and to the point. With the hero aspect, they have to walk that fine line and conflicting views on if I don't stop this villain at any cost they he/she is going to come back a reek havoc all over again. But I can't kill him/her because I am a "hero". I find that this makes for a more interesting story.
" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1.
Anti-Hero all they way, heroes just bore and annoy me, "Oh no we can't kill because we're heroes and heroes don't kill because that's what separates us from them"...ugh.
And also killing is good, if you kill a serial killer in order to prevent him from killing anyone else and also punish him for the crimes he has committed.
I prefer a hero to have a little bit of a dark side and if necessary they may kill you if its completely necessary but feel guilty to a degree for having done so.
" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.Batman (Bruce) never appealed to me I just like the Kevlar or Teflon style armor I like Jason Todd Or Dick Grayson those are my favorite vigilantes from the DCU because it doesn't get much better than Night Wing & Red Hood
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "Batman is just as much of a hero morally as Superman. Example, Identity Crisis.
" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully.
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
What's interesting is Alan Moore said in the comic the bad guys weren't villainous by choice and V pretty much destroyed the last country with any sort of stability in the world. Just like Rorschach who was intended to be the most despised of the cast people see someone cool and mistake that as a reason to like the character rather then see the character as a problem for society. Sometimes the stereotype that the anti-hero is no better then the villain is true." @Dex: I like a balance between heroes and anti heroes. In the DC comics I've read, I like how Superman is often effectively Batman's conscience, reminding him of the line between right and wrong. I know "dark" characters have more appeal but I think it is getting to a point now where it can get silly. For example V For Vendetta. I don't get why people love that film. He's not just a terrorist but pretentious and rambling. If I called a character Silly Poetic Monologue Man I would be laughed in my idiot face. I suppose the point is I think there needs to be more hero in superheroes now. This is why I like Batman Brave And The Bold. "
I would say Anti-Hero would be more popular since they could be more "bad ass" but at the same time if it goes to im going to shoot people because I can level then it gets boring
honestly it comes down to the way the character is written and challenged look at Dark Knight and the Punisher War Zone movies. The Joker systematically challenged Batmans rules and motives going as far as corrupting there white knight. Jigsaw just hired a bunch of thugs to go kill a family. The conflict is what makes things interesting with out a interesting conflict we get stuff like Superman Returns thats just bland with no real challenge
side note Villains are still scared of batz since he could easily put them in a body cast which would be painful and maybe worse then death idk never tried it myself
" @aztek the lost said:Ik but my preference is the edgier guys to each his or her own" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
" @*Girl of Steel* said:Others times not as much or at all, in fact a case could be made for a lot of characters now that I think about it.Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "Batman is just as much of a hero morally as Superman. Example, Identity Crisis. "
My ears are popping! kidding.
I like heroes to anti heroes, personally. I like heroes who try to represent the best of us. Punisher may kill but thats sort of the easy way out, anyone could kill.
As a reader I think the anti hero was interesting when there were only one or two, but its almost like every hero is an anti hero, making heroes like Spider-Man, Captain America, and Superman, stand out.
When the entire world is becoming more like anti heroes, where killing is more accepted and maybe asked for its even harder to be a hero like superman. (Like in Kingdom Come)
" @*Girl of Steel* said:Off-white sounds about right... He's just definitely a character that's always is right on the line." @aztek the lost said:if he's neither white nor gray, then what is he? off-white? "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
Others times not as much or at all, in fact a case could be made for a lot of characters now that I think about it. "Yeah, but Batman is morally a hero. He doesn't like carrying guns. He resusitated the Joker after Dick beat him to death because he didn't want want the death on Dick's hands. My point is that Batman has 6 titles not because he's a "Anti-Hero" but for other reasons.
" @*Girl of Steel* said:White-Out lol idk" @aztek the lost said:if he's neither white nor gray, then what is he? off-white? "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
Yeah like some people who prefer Heroes who take it the farthest end of the spectrum in that direction instead of one's in the middle." @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @aztek the lost said:Ik but my preference is the edgier guys to each his or her own "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
batmans not really an anti-hero, he does the right things (stopping crime) for largley the right reasons (making gotham a better place) and doesnt kill. Just having occasionally struggled with morality doesnt mean they arent a hero
good anti-heros are ones who are in no way hero like, Frank Castle was origonally a marvel villian, hes an anti-hero because he kills people rather than turning them over too the police. Or Jessy Custer in Preacher, hunts down god using gratuitous violence, he does the right thing in the context of the book but hes not a particularly good person. Jack in Fables is another example hes cowardly greedy and dishonest however he has managed to save the day before
Anti-heroes are more realistic. People in real life don't always fight for "truth, justice, and the American way" like Superman or Captain America. This is why I'm a big fan of the X-Men. Wolverine has a clouded past and his bloodlust gets in the way sometimes. He also can be a bad teammate, but he has a nurturing relationship with Shadowcat, Rogue, Jubilee etc. Gambit also has been a member of the Thieves' Guild and a Horseman of the Apocalypse, but he joins the X-Men to control his powers. I love heroes with inner struggles that's why I'm a Marvelite.
I like hero books better, but I like reading about the conflict between hero and anti-hero. Like when Spider-Man teams up with Punisher.
" @aztek the lost said:Haha, White-Out. lol" @*Girl of Steel* said:White-Out lol idk "" @aztek the lost said:if he's neither white nor gray, then what is he? off-white? "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
" @ArtisticNeedham: After like 40 years, why can't Batman kill the Joker? "He says he's scared he'd go in a dark place he wouldn't come out of.
" @Namor1987 said:Who's your favorite anti-hero(es) from DCU OR MU? Mine are Moon Knight & Daken from MU & from DCU Red Hood & Night WingYeah like some people who prefer Heroes who take it the farthest end of the spectrum in that direction instead of one's in the middle. "" @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @aztek the lost said:Ik but my preference is the edgier guys to each his or her own "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
@warlord1234 said:" batmans not really an anti-hero, he does the right things (stopping crime) for largley the right reasons (making gotham a better place) and doesnt kill. Just having occasionally struggled with morality doesnt mean they arent a hero good anti-heros are ones who are in no way hero like, Frank Castle was origonally a marvel villian, hes an anti-hero because he kills people rather than turning them over too the police. Or Jessy Custer in Preacher, hunts down god using gratuitous violence, he does the right thing in the context of the book but hes not a particularly good person. Jack in Fables is another example hes cowardly greedy and dishonest however he has managed to save the day before "
He's selfish, he's always been motivated by revenge. He lies to get what he wants, he uses people to achieve his goals no matter what the cost etc... etc..." A true anti hero is someone that does heroic things for they own selfish purpose. "
" @*Girl of Steel* said:DCU Red-Hood& Night Wing/ Maybe a little bit Green Arrow, and MU Daken& Punisher." @Namor1987 said:Who's your favorite anti-hero(es) from DCU OR MU? Mine are Moon Knight & Daken from MU & from DCU Red Hood & Night Wing "Yeah like some people who prefer Heroes who take it the farthest end of the spectrum in that direction instead of one's in the middle. "" @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @aztek the lost said:Ik but my preference is the edgier guys to each his or her own "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
" @Namor1987 said:Oo great minds do think alike huh lol" @*Girl of Steel* said:DCU Red-Hood& Night Wing/ Maybe a little bit Green Arrow, and MU Daken& Punisher. "" @Namor1987 said:Who's your favorite anti-hero(es) from DCU OR MU? Mine are Moon Knight & Daken from MU & from DCU Red Hood & Night Wing "Yeah like some people who prefer Heroes who take it the farthest end of the spectrum in that direction instead of one's in the middle. "" @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @aztek the lost said:Ik but my preference is the edgier guys to each his or her own "" Watching Smallville, as much as I enjoy the show, Clark is just so frustrating with his "morals"...how can I look up to someone who can't get the job done.It depends on your definition, especially since being an anti-hero isn't just all about killing and edginess. Yeah I wouldn't say he's as comparable to all out anti-heroes currently but that's probably the very reason people like him so much because he's neither of them fully. "
@*Girl of Steel* said:" @Namor1987 said:even though Batman is no more anti-hero then Superman...he was edgy back in the 80's but he's pretty tame compared to actual anti-heroes these days "" Love anti-heroes too many reasons to list but mainly because they're more based in reality & have better more down to earth costumes "Case in point, hence why Batman has 6 titles or whatever over Superman's 1. "
Look up the definitions, doesn't say Anti-Heroes are killers at all so they could easily put someone in Jail like a hero, but not necessarily in the same condition.
hero- does right things for the right reasons and sticks by morals eg batman super siderman etc
anti hero - doesnt have morals and does bad things for good reasons such as punsher deadpool etc
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