Please let this guy join Jason's team!
^^^^^^^^^^^^
They're Outlaws, he's a mercenary, yeap! I see that happening :D
Please let this guy join Jason's team!
^^^^^^^^^^^^
They're Outlaws, he's a mercenary, yeap! I see that happening :D
I love that everyone assumes just because he is a half-man half-tiger or were-tiger that he is no longer a black man. I didn't realize that black men were immune to Lycanthropy. There is this weird thing that people get bent out of shape if minority characters are ever altered in the slightest way. Its as if every black character has to run around in a domino mask and identify as black every other issue to satisfy the masses that they are, in fact, still black. I am actually happy we've move passed the days were every character who isn't a white male has to be identified as "Lady" or "Black" as part of their codename.
what? his name was Bronze Tiger not black Tiger. Also way to really twist things. Care to give some examples of people overreacting to minority characters being altered? Cause people don't complain when non-minority characters get altered? Think you are just insinuating something that isn't even accurate.
Frankly I don't know if he is black or not, and I wasn't even thinking about it. The point of contention is that it is an uninspired antiquated design from the 90s. Bronze Tiger is human not a meta. This fundamentally changes everything about the character but his name. Might as well be a new character.
Its like changing Batman into a Bat or giving him magical powers. Making Ironman magic. Turning Green Arrow into a meta. It's not Bronze Tiger. so why not just have him be a new character.
Some of the other changes in the DCnU usually kept core concepts the same. A slight change in appearance, change in weight, change in background.
But by making Bronze Tiger a meta and severing his ties to Richard, Shiva and Suicide Squad you basically remove everything that was Ben Turner.
As long as its a mode that he can turn on and off like Rob Lucci does in One Piece. If this is a mode that he is stuck in I'm going to be pissed off. Why'd they have to turn the black character into an animal?!? He was cool before as he was. I know I could be jumping the gun a little but please don't f*** this up too DC.
Also did anybody else think of Thundercats when they saw the sketch?
Am I the only one that thinks the emblem on his belt looks like an owl's head? Could there be a possible connection to the Court of Owls?
I know it sounds like a stretch, but he is being written by James Tynion IV who is the current writer of Talon and Red Hood and the Outlaws, a former college student of Scott Snyder's, the back-up writer for Snyder's Batman, and Bronze Tiger is first appearing in a bat-family book.
Hmm....just a thought
Or a poorly drawn tiger ;) But I can see what you're trying to get at.
I am not a fan of drastic changes to a character. The original origin is good enough. All this does is cause confusion to new fans, & why IMO some of the golden age characters are not well known. You need ONE ultimate difinitive version of a character, which Batman, Supes, & WW have.This is even why GL or the Flash arent on their level. Because there are several of them.
There may be some changes, but they are minor. Here is a conversation I had with a friend about why I would NOT make a JL movie, but more likely a JSA movie.
Me: Take Hour-Man for example
JR: Who is he?
ME: Well, it depends, the original, his son, or the robot.
JR: Nevermind.
When you mention more than one, they just give up.
Were-Bronze Tiger will not be any more well known than Ben Turner.
@Blkson http://kareemopolis.tumblr.com/post/47291501870/masked-diversity
Yeah, this is what I was talking about. I don't know why it will not link to the actual post but for people who don't understand my complaint, then go read that blog post! That post pretty much sums up why making a visibly black superhero a were-tiger is problematic.
Its like changing Batman into a Bat or giving him magical powers. Making Ironman magic. Turning Green Arrow into a meta. It's not Bronze Tiger. so why not just have him be a new character.
Some of the other changes in the DCnU usually kept core concepts the same. A slight change in appearance, change in weight, change in background.
But by making Bronze Tiger a meta and severing his ties to Richard, Shiva and Suicide Squad you basically remove everything that was Ben Turner.
I would rather have Talky Tawney.
Agreed.
he was a tiger in brave and bold
ummmmno?
So don't get me wrong here. Stoked as anything that Ben's back in action and thankful for that. But DC: Trying to "update" characters for the modern reader shouldn't involve putting everyone through a 90's-esque "EXSTREMEZOMG!!!111" filter (eg: the open shirts, odd proportions, and EVERY CHARACTER NEEDING A SWORD). The New52 is almost what would happen if Rob Liefeld drew a Die Hard comic written by Andrew WK while the SWAT Kats skateboard on Tech Decks in the background.
...For a while.
That is an awesome drawing... and an incredibly stupid idea. Rest in Piece, Ben Turner. You're only the latest in a long line of casualties.
@cobramorph: I disagree, to an extent. There's been more than one Cap, Ironman, Spider-Man, Batman and Wonder Woman but they are all still incredibly popular and well known. What makes them popular is that they are unique characters and stand of an ideal, no matter who is under the mask.
Green Lantern isn't super popular in pop culture because his power set could not be easily rendered into a movie or TV show until fairly recently. Additionally, his only live action movie was a huge disappointment.
The Flash isn't popular because few non-nerds people have the patience to watch some guy run around a lot. Speed, as a power, gets old far more quickly than Strength, Stamina, Smarts, Gadgets or Flight. The Flash works best in Teams, where his powers supplement the whole. However, there hasn't been a non-animated team movie or TV show to showcase the Flash.
To be well known in the mainstream, means you have to have TV shows, Radio Broadcasts or movies come out at least once a decade, that way you remind older folks about the heroes and introduce the heroes to a new generation. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man (arguably the three most well known super heroes) have all accomplished this.
I will agree that having only one main backstory/character behind the mask is helpful as you can perpetuate the origin myth over and over again until it sticks. Everyone knows Bruce's parents were shot, everyone knows Kal-El came from another world, everyone knows Uncle Ben died.
However, changing a character's entire persona can be very beneficial, sometimes. Look at Green Lantern. Originally he was a magic user. The second Lantern was a Space Cop. The latter proved far more popular than the former. The second human Torch is wildly more popular than the first one. There are lots of characters like this where the second, or even third, try was the one that made the character popular (in comic culture).
I love the look actually! Quite feral, which is exactly as I've always wanted my Bronze Tiger. Another rare stroke of genius from the New 52!
Cool design...but, really can't he just stay as a normal guy that's good at martial arts rather than being an actual tiger.
I really dislike the 52 universe. I understand the idea to modernize their line, but they are just screwing everything up lol.
To make a actually human/tiger hybrid destroys everything that made that character unique and cool.
So he is a gang leader now? Let me guess Peter Dragon will be a hybrid as well, as well as Conner Hawk?
gah, I really dislike the 52
@ScarletBatman The Flash isn't popular because few non-nerds people have the patience to watch some guy run around a lot. Speed, as a power, gets old far more quickly than Strength, Stamina, Smarts, Gadgets or Flight. The Flash works best in Teams, where his powers supplement the whole. However, there hasn't been a non-animated team movie or TV show to showcase the Flash.
To be well known in the mainstream, means you have to have TV shows, Radio Broadcasts or movies come out at least once a decade, that way you remind older folks about the heroes and introduce the heroes to a new generation. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man (arguably the three most well known super heroes) have all accomplished this.
Off topic , you know Flash had a live action TV show back in the day? It didn't last long.
Whoa! Bronze Tiger is actually a tiger. Ok.
Sweet!
This sums up how I feel
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