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Posted by DMC (1549 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or did Marvel choose a bad time to annul T'Challa and Storm's marriage? But what's just as bad to me, is how they've been portrayed as a couple throughout this event. I know it's nothing new, but in this instance it's VERY upsetting.

So I think most would agree that Storm and Black Panther are intelligent, level headed people, with leadership experience on their resume.Thinkings things through before acting should be second nature to a ruling couple of a nation. Call me old fashioned but you would think they would have discussed the situation privately after they heard the news from Cap. You know....communication? Share their opinions of Hope, the current mutant plight, etc and most importantly, the value of Storm siding with the X-Men. Did any of the tie-ins touch on this at all?

Imo, I think BP would support Storm going back to Utopia. As a senior member of the X-Man she would (potentially) have more of an impact on the situation among them as a voice of reason to Cyclops or her other fellow mutants. It's too bad she wasn't a bigger player in this story.

Either way, their marriage should have survived AVX for many reasons.Storm has proven her loyalty/commitment to Wakkanda even though she and T'Challa have had to struggle with other priorities and allegiances of late.

But with MARVEL NOW on the horizon comes a chance to make managing their other commitment's easier. And wouldn't it be great to have seen an Avenger/X-Men couple among the roster of Uncanny Avengers?

#1 Posted by Darkmount1 (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

Blame the writers--probably the biggest problem with writers in any medium is that somehow, some way, even if they claim to do so, they don't THINK before they jot.

#2 Posted by kasino (470 posts) - - Show Bio

don't leave a king

don't leave good .....

#3 Posted by JediXMan (27924 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm fine with it, if for no other reason than that I prefer her with Bishop.

#4 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

No. As a matter of fact marvel can kiss my ass right about now.

#5 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

They came together in the middle of a hero vs hero event and it made NO sense. So it only makes sense for them to seperate in the middle of a hero vs hero event 6 years later and it make NO sense.

Shame, wasted potential.

#6 Posted by DMC (1549 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: Well, they didn't get married because of Civil War, Marvel just decided to market the wedding through that event. The BP/Storm wedding was worked on in the Black Panther book......along with a little retcon of Storm/T'Challa's first encounter, which bugged me when I found out.

#7 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to agree that it is poorly thought out.

#8 Edited by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@DMC said:

@Blood1991: Well, they didn't get married because of Civil War, Marvel just decided to market the wedding through that event. The BP/Storm wedding was worked on in the Black Panther book......along with a little retcon of Storm/T'Challa's first encounter, which bugged me when I found out.

The whole thing irritated me. I didn't like the marriage at first, but I accepted it and when i finally thought they were going to do it right and make them the Reed and Sue of the Avengers they broke them up, but I'm still not all that sure it is completely over. As for the retcon of their meeting in the Storm mini I thought it was well written, but was pretty much a illustrated short story NOT a comic book, but he isn't a comic writer so it was forgivable. I didn't like them switching around who saved who though especially since it was her mini.

#9 Posted by jhazzroucher (13932 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1 said:

Blame the writers--probably the biggest problem with writers in any medium is that somehow, some way, even if they claim to do so, they don't THINK before they jot.

I agree.

#10 Posted by mettlekm (417 posts) - - Show Bio

they should just have had Mephisto retconned it out...

#11 Posted by Darkmount1 (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: Maybe then, we could've gotten a better frozen peas commercial with Orson Welles.

#12 Posted by telepathic666 (227 posts) - - Show Bio

IDK but they wrote BP in a very negative light. Because as was pointed out she not only has she shown her loyalty to wakanda but to him as well, and on several occasions when she helps him out he is very rude and ungrateful for her help. And then on this where he should have backed her up seeing as she is

1. A senior member of the X-men

2. One of the most prominent leaders of the X-men

3. PART OF AN ENDANGERED SPECIES

you would think that means support her in her decision to stand by the X-men even if beast and wolverine didn't. He never came off as a pompous arrogant person until after they were married...I'm just saying.

#13 Posted by jhazzroucher (13932 posts) - - Show Bio

@telepathic666 said:

IDK but they wrote BP in a very negative light. Because as was pointed out she not only has she shown her loyalty to wakanda but to him as well, and on several occasions when she helps him out he is very rude and ungrateful for her help. And then on this where he should have backed her up seeing as she is

1. A senior member of the X-men

2. One of the most prominent leaders of the X-men

3. PART OF AN ENDANGERED SPECIES

you would think that means support her in her decision to stand by the X-men even if beast and wolverine didn't. He never came off as a pompous arrogant person until after they were married...I'm just saying.

They should have made BP really look very caring and loving to his Storm.

#14 Posted by redhairedphish (16 posts) - - Show Bio

Y'know, I had my own reservations with this wedding initially. But, as it was mentioned in an earlier comment, I had warmed up to it, thinking that the writers at Marvel would actually be portraying them in proper fashion (despite any form of courtship i.e. Peter towards MJ, Reed towards Sue, or even Scott towards Jean).

I retained that hope even when Storm was asked to leave BP to his own devices following his move to Hell's Kitchen. So often, it seemed like Storm was more in love with Black Panther than Black Panther was in love with Storm. Does that make sense?

And to see the way that their relationship was written throughout AVX was a huge slap in the face for people like me: readers/fans who knew better but still accepted their relationship for what it is. I mean, seriously, marriage counseling?

Although, I think that (should they decide to actually FIX their relationship), this would be a good chance to actually forge it, from the ground up. Y'know?

Curious to see what happens next.

#15 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

As usual, nobody knows what to do with Storm...

Maybe the character was a mistake to begin with?

#16 Posted by jhazzroucher (13932 posts) - - Show Bio

@redhairedphish said:

Y'know, I had my own reservations with this wedding initially. But, as it was mentioned in an earlier comment, I had warmed up to it, thinking that the writers at Marvel would actually be portraying them in proper fashion (despite any form of courtship i.e. Peter towards MJ, Reed towards Sue, or even Scott towards Jean).

I retained that hope even when Storm was asked to leave BP to his own devices following his move to Hell's Kitchen. So often, it seemed like Storm was more in love with Black Panther than Black Panther was in love with Storm. Does that make sense?

And to see the way that their relationship was written throughout AVX was a huge slap in the face for people like me: readers/fans who knew better but still accepted their relationship for what it is. I mean, seriously, marriage counseling?

Although, I think that (should they decide to actually FIX their relationship), this would be a good chance to actually forge it, from the ground up. Y'know?

Curious to see what happens next.

I agree with you.

#17 Posted by daredevil21134 (9086 posts) - - Show Bio

Glad its over

#18 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

The divorce is not that big of a deal to me considering that, IMO, the two shouldn't have been married in the first place.

#19 Posted by Pso_Christen (69 posts) - - Show Bio

I could not agree more with this blog. Their marriage was shown very poorly throughout the story. Hell, they did not even show them together much at all either. The way how she left T'Challa with the Avengers without even speaking to him. Then the fact they did not even acknowledge any feelings towards them when being in Wakanda.

I don't blame the characters. I blame the writers. They should have done a better job in my opinion. These two could have had bigger parts in this story.

#20 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2887 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe they should just kill off Storm.

#21 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I never was a huge fan of their relationship since it was a bit too forced and not enough development went into the relationship.  But, I do think that they could have done a better job at portraying their relationship rather than just divorcing them like that because even their divorce seems too forced.

#22 Posted by God_Spawn (35980 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not though? Their relationship hasn't been relevant for how long exactly? With both factions fighting as hard as they are and BP being more Avenger loyal while Storm had her loyalties elsewhere (for the most part), Namor whipping the Avengers around like rag dolls and flooding Wakanda, even though might have been Storm being more willing to help the Avengers now since cosmically crazed Scott and Emma's minds have gone wacko, it wasn't touched up on until after the attack happened. There are many things that hit close to home that could be going through his head.

  1. They've been fighting against another superhero faction (one that his wife is on).
  2. There were 5 cosmically crazed superheroes that are currently controlling the planet (for the most part)
  3. Those 5 cosmic crazed superheroes are hunting the Avengers down, the Avengers are backed into a wall.
  4. Namor is supposed to be a good guy so a possible feeling of betrayal from that end.
  5. Namor flooded Wakanda, killed his people, Atlanteans attack and Namor as I said before was dominating them and if not for Wanda they would be dead.
  6. His wife was not protecting their home. Despite her comments after the damage was done in T'Challa's mind.

And T'Challa was willing to fight Ororo while she was not to him. If he was willing to attack her and with what just happened to his home, their home, I think there was just the right mixture of things going through his mind that rationality went through the window and he just annulled their marriage. It hasn't been going anywhere for awhile and as bad as AvX is it had the perfect elements for it to happen.

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#23 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Writers never really done anything with the marriage, why not divorce them and create a buzz?

-_-

#24 Posted by SoA (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: aren't they like distant relatives?

#25 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

@JediXMan: aren't they like distant relatives?

WH-WHA-WHAT??!!

#26 Posted by Original_Sin (356 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@SoA said:

@JediXMan: aren't they like distant relatives?

WH-WHA-WHAT??!!

LMAO!

#27 Edited by SoA (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

@Original_Sin:

#28 Posted by SoA (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

@Original_Sin: the hair, blue eyes, and how she recalled the x-men , unless this was non-canon or they technically never actually said it , so it could be one of the many white haired ,blue eyed ,black women marvel seems to have tons of...

#29 Posted by Queso6p4 (1411 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pso_Christen said:

I could not agree more with this blog. Their marriage was shown very poorly throughout the story. Hell, they did not even show them together much at all either. The way how she left T'Challa with the Avengers without even speaking to him. Then the fact they did not even acknowledge any feelings towards them when being in Wakanda.

I don't blame the characters. I blame the writers. They should have done a better job in my opinion. These two could have had bigger parts in this story.

Hits the nail on the head. This whole thing has been handled way too sloppily. As others have mentioned-it's bad writing.

#30 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

@Original_Sin:

That is not Storm. That's Aunt Jemima's great grandmother, Great Jemima

Her hair may defy gravity, but that don't make her a mutant, let alone MY weather witch

And the fact that there was dating potential between the two of them in the past makes me shiver in the most disgusting of chills at the very thought of that incestuous pot pie of sickness

#31 Posted by Original_Sin (356 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@SoA said:

@Original_Sin:

That is not Storm. That's Aunt Jemima's great grandmother, Great Jemima

Her hair may defy gravity, but that don't make her a mutant, let alone MY weather witch

And the fact that there was dating potential between the two of them in the past makes me shiver in the most disgusting of chills at the very thought of that incestuous pot pie of sickness

Oh god it really does lol.

#32 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

@Original_Sin: the hair, blue eyes, and how she recalled the x-men , unless this was non-canon or they technically never actually said it , so it could be one of the many white haired ,blue eyed ,black women marvel seems to have tons of...

I think she is just old and blind....

#33 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

How come everyone has come to the conclusion that it is over already? BP pretty much said he has the power to divroce them and he has but that was him not being level headed. Storm even brought up that they should talk it through later and I think that is what will happen.

Till then sit tight and lets not jump to conclusions.

#34 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

How come everyone has come to the conclusion that it is over already? BP pretty much said he has the power to divroce them and he has but that was him not being level headed. Storm even brought up that they should talk it through later and I think that is what will happen.

Till then sit tight and lets not jump to conclusions.

Man I've been saying that for a month now, but I keep jumping back and forth. I'm not sure what I want to happen at this point.

#35 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: This goes beyond comic books, but I'm tired of how divorce is portrayed in media and now even comics. Yes, breaking up is normal, but people that dedicate themselves should focus on staying together and not get married if there is doubt.

I think the media showing divorces and how easy it is to separate a couple just to tell a better story or add some shock is kind of brainwashing us to thinking it's okay to just get a divorce at the site of troubles. I find myself a lot of times trying to relate myself to others in the media even though I don't keep up with celebrities. I never let them have say in my decisions but the fact that they come up at all is proof enough that media has a strong influence.

#36 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

@Blood1991: This goes beyond comic books, but I'm tired of how divorce is portrayed in media and now even comics. Yes, breaking up is normal, but people that dedicate themselves should focus on staying together and not get married if there is doubt.

I think the media showing divorces and how easy it is to separate a couple just to tell a better story or add some shock is kind of brainwashing us to thinking it's okay to just get a divorce at the site of troubles. I find myself a lot of times trying to relate myself to others in the media even though I don't keep up with celebrities. I never let them have say in my decisions but the fact that they come up at all is proof enough that media has a strong influence.

True, it has come to the point that some of my first thoughts on marriage are divorce. It no longer feels like that rare thing, but an inevitability in a relationship. It is sad.

#37 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

@SlimJ87D said:

How come everyone has come to the conclusion that it is over already? BP pretty much said he has the power to divroce them and he has but that was him not being level headed. Storm even brought up that they should talk it through later and I think that is what will happen.

Till then sit tight and lets not jump to conclusions.

Man I've been saying that for a month now, but I keep jumping back and forth. I'm not sure what I want to happen at this point.

They'd have to be remarried. He most definitely ended it. She told him now wasn't that time to discuss personal matters. But he already annulled their marriage. If they get back together, that's one thing. But he dissolved their union

#38 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

How come everyone has come to the conclusion that it is over already? BP pretty much said he has the power to divroce them and he has but that was him not being level headed. Storm even brought up that they should talk it through later and I think that is what will happen.

Till then sit tight and lets not jump to conclusions.

#39 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage: And what if he just say "Ororo I annull our Divorce, because I have complete say in our relationship"

#40 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

@White Mage: And what if he just say "Ororo I annull our Divorce, because I have complete say in our relationship"

..................then the Panther God is a total douche for allowing complete chaos to reign supreme in such a developed country

#41 Posted by jhazzroucher (13932 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@Blood1991 said:

@White Mage: And what if he just say "Ororo I annull our Divorce, because I have complete say in our relationship"

..................then the Panther God is a total douche for allowing complete chaos to reign supreme in such a developed country

Bast fell in love with Storm. : )

#42 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@Blood1991 said:

@White Mage: And what if he just say "Ororo I annull our Divorce, because I have complete say in our relationship"

..................then the Panther God is a total douche for allowing complete chaos to reign supreme in such a developed country

Well we know the Panther God will take BP's side Ororo is "an outsider" besides most things about that end was terrible

#43 Posted by Pso_Christen (69 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@telepathic666 said:

IDK but they wrote BP in a very negative light. Because as was pointed out she not only has she shown her loyalty to wakanda but to him as well, and on several occasions when she helps him out he is very rude and ungrateful for her help. And then on this where he should have backed her up seeing as she is

1. A senior member of the X-men

2. One of the most prominent leaders of the X-men

3. PART OF AN ENDANGERED SPECIES

you would think that means support her in her decision to stand by the X-men even if beast and wolverine didn't. He never came off as a pompous arrogant person until after they were married...I'm just saying.

They should have made BP really look very caring and loving to his Storm.

Honestly, I think they have shown that he cared for her. I think a lot of people tend to forget that a Black Panther and their Wakandan ways, has the fact that a Panther must do some things on his own. They had few differences dealing with that, like when she saved him from Doom, as well as when he was in Hell's Kitchen. But if you see other stories, I have seen a lot of love that he had for her. Sadly, not many have probably not been aware of it and therefore hated the marriage of things most people did not read.

@god_spawn said:

Why not though? Their relationship hasn't been relevant for how long exactly? With both factions fighting as hard as they are and BP being more Avenger loyal while Storm had her loyalties elsewhere (for the most part), Namor whipping the Avengers around like rag dolls and flooding Wakanda, even though might have been Storm being more willing to help the Avengers now since cosmically crazed Scott and Emma's minds have gone wacko, it wasn't touched up on until after the attack happened. There are many things that hit close to home that could be going through his head.

  1. They've been fighting against another superhero faction (one that his wife is on).
  2. There were 5 cosmically crazed superheroes that are currently controlling the planet (for the most part)
  3. Those 5 cosmic crazed superheroes are hunting the Avengers down, the Avengers are backed into a wall.
  4. Namor is supposed to be a good guy so a possible feeling of betrayal from that end.
  5. Namor flooded Wakanda, killed his people, Atlanteans attack and Namor as I said before was dominating them and if not for Wanda they would be dead.
  6. His wife was not protecting their home. Despite her comments after the damage was done in T'Challa's mind.

And T'Challa was willing to fight Ororo while she was not to him. If he was willing to attack her and with what just happened to his home, their home, I think there was just the right mixture of things going through his mind that rationality went through the window and he just annulled their marriage. It hasn't been going anywhere for awhile and as bad as AvX is it had the perfect elements for it to happen.

Yeah, but you have to remember, Storm was not aware of Namor attacking Wakanda, as well as the other X-Men (except Emma). I am sure if she knew, she would have been left the X-Men to help.

@SlimJ87D said:

How come everyone has come to the conclusion that it is over already? BP pretty much said he has the power to divroce them and he has but that was him not being level headed. Storm even brought up that they should talk it through later and I think that is what will happen.

Till then sit tight and lets not jump to conclusions.

I hope not. Talk about a horrid ending to the marriage. I'm still crossing my fingers for AvX VS #5 to turn the tides.

#44 Posted by God_Spawn (35980 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pso_Christen: I am aware of all that. My point was T'Challa was not in his right state and in his own head had every slew of ideas to where he could divorce her.

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#45 Posted by Pso_Christen (69 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Pso_Christen: I am aware of all that. My point was T'Challa was not in his right state and in his own head had every slew of ideas to where he could divorce her.

Agreed. I am hoping that AvX VS #5 really pulls through and shines light on both of them. Hopefully saving the marriage.

#46 Posted by jhazzroucher (13932 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pso_Christen said:

@god_spawn said:

@Pso_Christen: I am aware of all that. My point was T'Challa was not in his right state and in his own head had every slew of ideas to where he could divorce her.

Agreed. I am hoping that AvX VS #5 really pulls through and shines light on both of them. Hopefully saving the marriage.

Noooooooo!!!!!

But if that makes you happy then good luck! : )

#47 Posted by DMC (1549 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pso_Christen said:

@god_spawn said:

@Pso_Christen: I am aware of all that. My point was T'Challa was not in his right state and in his own head had every slew of ideas to where he could divorce her.

Agreed. I am hoping that AvX VS #5 really pulls through and shines light on both of them. Hopefully saving the marriage.

wait, I thought AvX VS was just fights? Yeah I haven't read any of the AvX VS, I figured they were a waste of time......unless you want a good fight ^_^

#48 Posted by tempest x (77 posts) - - Show Bio

i agree dmc. i don't think the marriage should be annulled. storm and bp are the only characters i read in marvel now. so with this development i won't be buying any more marvel... MARVEL SUCKS!!!

#49 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@tempest x said:

i agree dmc. i don't think the marriage should be annulled. storm and bp are the only characters i read in marvel now. so with this development i won't be buying any more marvel... MARVEL SUCKS!!!

That was me.............for SUCH a long time....cause nobody else interested me.........this is a sad development :(

#50 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@They Killed Cap! said:

I have to agree that it is poorly thought out.