#1 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay I was thinking whats happening to the Black characters in comics, We have no front runners, Look at cage and Falcon they have always been a side kick of sorts, there is no major Black character apart from Black Panther who has been made to team up with everyone once and awhile , I dont understand why Marvel or DC dont make a front runner , Marvel is the worst out the two , Even the X-men have dropped Bishop and gone all white, Is this an issue or am I seeing something thats not there?

#2 Posted by Cryo-Wolf (12662 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate X-Men still has Bishop. As Leader of the X-Men.

#3 Posted by JT (614 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah but there are still barely any black characters in comics

#4 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn :O OMG!

#5 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Cryo-Wolf says:

"Ultimate X-Men still has Bishop. As Leader of the X-Men."

So one, Out of how many you know what I mean right, Its strange I rember an old character called Icon, He was as powerful as superman, Does anyone know what happend to him

#6 Posted by Cryo-Wolf (12662 posts) - - Show Bio

And what about Storm? She's big...

#7 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

JT says:

"yeah but there are still barely any black characters in comics"

WHAT? There are alot of black characters in comics. The probably is there never used or revamped. Cloak, Brother Voodoo, Patroit, Jon Stewart, even Black Panther is under used. Steel, Black Lightning, Photon, Storm, Bishop, the Skrull in Runaways is black, Spawn I would say is the most used. But where's the black characters on the same level as Cap, or even Iron Man? Or Superman? I mean come on.

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#8 Posted by JT (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Still not enough

#9 Posted by JT (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"JT says:
"yeah but there are still barely any black characters in comics"
WHAT? There are alot of black characters in comics. The probably is there never used or revamped. Cloak, Brother Voodoo, Patroit, Jon Stewart, even Black Panther is under used. Steel, Black Lightning, Photon, Storm, Bishop, the Skrull in Runaways is black, Spawn I would say is the most used. But where's the black characters on the same level as Cap, or even Iron Man? Or Superman? I mean come on."

true

#10 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"Spawn :O OMG!"

Yeah but Im talking Marvel and Dc who have more lines then anyother comic publisher, And Image only have Spawn that is three comics at the mo the have at least 20 more , It's still a very small majority for such a company

#11 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys.

#12 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

JT says:

"Still not enough"

True. I'm just showing there out there. They may be used for an arc but then they disappear again.
Post Edited:2007-08-23 18:23:30

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#13 Posted by Switch (4527 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah use Quick Ben!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

#14 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."

Thats a great point. We should say minority's in general are a non factor in comics.

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#15 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Cryo-Wolf says:

"And what about Storm? She's big..."

Thats what im getting at, Storm yeah but she is not strong enough to hold her own comic, What im talking about is someone on superman level or Caps, There are plenty of Black characters on the sub bench but none up to bat, Really think about it.

#16 Posted by JT (614 posts) - - Show Bio

i cant think of any black character whos been big like superman

#17 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Barguest says:
"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."
Thats a great point. We should say minority's in general are a non factor in comics."

Minority is a funny word to use, I bet theres more black male comic readers than there are female comic readers put together... yet theres plenty of girl characters :P Though I guess they're less for role models and more for eye candy.

#18 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

well we did have a black Superman and Supergirl at one point...

there's also John Henry Irons...

and John Stewart...

that's for DC, i can't really comment on Marvel aside from Storm?

M

#19 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"well we did have a black Superman and Supergirl at one point...there's also John Henry Irons...and John Stewart...that's for DC, i can't really comment on Marvel aside from Storm?M"

No No NO Methos. Not like that. I mean in terms of exposure, ink, own comic. Not an actual black Superman, a black character that they make a flag ship character.

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#20 Posted by JT (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Barguest says:
"Gambler says:
"Barguest says:
"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."
Thats a great point. We should say minority's in general are a non factor in comics."
Minority is a funny word to use, I bet theres more black male comic readers than there are female comic readers put together... yet theres plenty of girl characters :P Though I guess they're less for role models and more for eye candy."
So all in all we can say that there is alot wrong with comics!"

yeah

#21 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"Gambler says:
"Barguest says:
"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."
Thats a great point. We should say minority's in general are a non factor in comics."
Minority is a funny word to use, I bet theres more black male comic readers than there are female comic readers put together... yet theres plenty of girl characters :P Though I guess they're less for role models and more for eye candy."

So all in all we can say that there is alot wrong with comics!

#22 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"well we did have a black Superman and Supergirl at one point... there's also John Henry Irons... and John Stewart... that's for DC, i can't really comment on Marvel aside from Storm? M"

Thanks but where are they NOW, Steel died out after 51 , Thats my point they dont keep them , you see what im getting at methos

#23 Posted by fesak (6994 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."

Sunfire, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Radioactive Man, Collective Man and Bengal are asian males and fairly well known.

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#24 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"No No NO Methos. Not like that. I mean in terms of exposure, ink, own comic. Not an actual black Superman, a black character that they make a flag ship character."

ah right...

i stand by John Stewart and John Henry Irons though

M

#25 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

fesak says:

"Barguest says:
"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."

Sunfire, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Radioactive Man, Collective Man and Bengal are asian males and fairly well known."

By us maybe, not the general public.

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#26 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Methos says:
"well we did have a black Superman and Supergirl at one point... there's also John Henry Irons... and John Stewart... that's for DC, i can't really comment on Marvel aside from Storm? M"

Thanks but where are they NOW, Steel died out after 51 , Thats my point they dont keep them , you see what im getting at methos

"

yeah i do see...

it is something that needs to be rectified

M

#27 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"fesak says:
"Barguest says:
"And what about asian males in comics? super rare, I can think of some girls off the top of my head, but not guys."
Sunfire, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Radioactive Man, Collective Man and Bengal are asian males and fairly well known."
By us maybe, not the general public. "
I only know of Silver Samurai :P but yeah, they aren't super recognisable like Superman, or Spiderman, the archetypal heroes that everyones heard of.
Post Edited:2007-08-23 18:35:52
#28 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?

#29 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

I just think it ios wrong,

#30 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

i will note John Stewart was used in all the DCU animated stuff instead of a more recognizable Green Lantern like Hal or Kyle...

M

#31 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"

Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one.

#32 Posted by Owen_Porter (83284 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Apparition says:
"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"

Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one."

I kinda see what she's saying though. Its the same reason Black Canary wears a fishnet thong up her !@# No women in her right mind would go out and fight crime dressed like that, but since the core audience for comics are males it works.

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#33 Posted by Shatterstar (4438 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd guess that it has more to do with who is making the comics and who is buying the comics than anything. There aren't a lot of black creators and I'd guess that white males probably comprise a huge chunk of comic book buyers.

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#34 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Shadow Arrow says:
"Apparition says:
"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"
Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one."
I kinda see what she's saying though. Its the same reason Black Canary wears a fishnet thong up her !@# No women in her right mind would go out and fight crime dressed like that, but since the core audience for comics are males it works."

The audience will stay male if they do that though... I like Canary, :P but when I see a gal in a comic with boobs like balloons and a waist you can fit your hand round I feel pushed out.

#35 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

This is Icon, In his prime he thought Superman to a stand still in 1994 , but he died out shortly after, He was an awesome character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_%28comics%29

I would love for him to come back, But thats of the subject

#36 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Apparition says:
"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"
Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one."

this is a small group. do you think that the thought has even crossed the mind of most of the people on this site? most of the comic readers? how cool is black panther, but how popular is his comic book?

#37 Posted by Darkchild (40547 posts) - - Show Bio

they have Goliath wait hes dead...doesnt that say something

#38 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"Gambler says:
"Shadow Arrow says:
"Apparition says:
"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"
Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one."
I kinda see what she's saying though. Its the same reason Black Canary wears a fishnet thong up her !@# No women in her right mind would go out and fight crime dressed like that, but since the core audience for comics are males it works."
The audience will stay male if they do that though... I like Canary, :P but when I see a gal in a comic with boobs like balloons and a waist you can fit your hand round I feel pushed out."

Cough Power girl, Most pointless character out there

#39 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Barguest says:
"Gambler says:
"Shadow Arrow says:
"Apparition says:
"i think it is too but i'm not sure what the reason is. is it because the companies arent interested in minority heroes or is it because they cater to their readers?"
Well we are there readers and We seem to think its wrong, So I guess it the first one."
I kinda see what she's saying though. Its the same reason Black Canary wears a fishnet thong up her !@# No women in her right mind would go out and fight crime dressed like that, but since the core audience for comics are males it works."
The audience will stay male if they do that though... I like Canary, :P but when I see a gal in a comic with boobs like balloons and a waist you can fit your hand round I feel pushed out."
Cough Power girl, Most pointless character out there"

powergirl stays. Supergirl goes.. :P

#40 Posted by Darkchild (40547 posts) - - Show Bio

hey hey why cant we have them hot kinky fun and then decide

#41 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Barguest says:

"powergirl stays. Supergirl goes.. :P"

meh, get rid of both Powergirl and the new Supergirl...

bring back Kara :D

M

#42 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

this is not about the girlies from krypton :P

#43 Posted by Darkchild (40547 posts) - - Show Bio

well im off before i say something stupid

kara was never that good

oops already did. Wow i think i just incured the wrath of Methos

well again im off shawn needs a bath he just rolled in the mud as told to me by his mother. then we are going movie shopping

#44 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah.. fair point :D

M

#45 Posted by Spectrum (4467 posts) - - Show Bio

Killer Croc was Black before he turned green, i know ironic he was black then they changed his colour

#46 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum says:

"Killer Croc was Black before he turned green, i know ironic he was black then they changed his colour"

So that proves what exactly

#47 Posted by Spectrum (4467 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow Arrow says:

"Spectrum says:
"Killer Croc was Black before he turned green, i know ironic he was black then they changed his colour"
So that proves what exactly"

oh wow im talking about black people, well that makes me a raceist, ofcourse...

#48 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Proves that they often mask the black image. Storm has Blue eyes and white hair"mutant" Spawn is burned beyond recognition, Tombstone and Croc are unreconizable as black. Milestone comics, first major black owned company, had all types of characters: Pakistani woman korean men, puerto ricans, whites blacks you name it they got it. and no one was underpowered or underrepped.

#49 Posted by Barguest (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Sling Shot says:

"Proves that they often mask the black image. Storm has Blue eyes and white hair"mutant" Spawn is burned beyond recognition, Tombstone and Croc are unreconizable as black. Milestone comics, first major black owned company, had all types of characters: Pakistani woman korean men, puerto ricans, whites blacks you name it they got it. and no one was underpowered or underrepped."

"Proves that they often mask the black image. Storm has Blue eyes and white hair"mutant" Spawn is burned beyond recognition, Tombstone and Croc are unreconizable as black."

Now THATS an intelligent point!

#50 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

If any of you are in college I suggest taking ethnic studies courses, as many as you can. Because from what I have read in my months on the vine a large portion, majority 90+% are misinformed about racism and race relations currently and historically. Depressing yes but I lean on Christ to get me through.