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#1 Edited by novi_homines (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

Who do you think has the better villains?

Notable batman villains: Joker, Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Ra's Al Ghul, Bane, Two-Face, Killer Croc, clayface, etc.

Notable spiderman villains: Green Goblin, Electro, Mysterio, Doctor Octopus, Venom, Sandman, Vulcan, Lizard, etc.

#2 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

While pretty close, Spider-Man I give the edge because he has less lame villains than Batman.

#3 Posted by RIKR2 (10906 posts) - - Show Bio

Very close but I’ll give the edge to Batman villain they have better story (IMO)

#4 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@rikr2 said:

Very close but I’ll give the edge to Batman villain they have better story (IMO)

Better story? Hah. While Close it obviously goes to Spider-Man.

#5 Posted by TheCannon (18683 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give a slight edge to Batman's villains, mainly because of Hush.

#6 Edited by RIKR2 (10906 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluelantern1995: jajajja like I said IMO :P, I have always think that Bats villain have cool Dark past and for the record i like spidey more than batsy

#7 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@rikr2: I know, just saying My opinion...

#8 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer the Batman Rogues, though that might just be personal preference. Don't get me wrong, Spidey's got an awesome cast of villains, but the dark and grotesque nature of Batman's enemies just appeals to me more.

#9 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2313 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Batman villains better. Dont get me wrong, Spiderman has a great cast of rogues but I just prefer Batmans.

#10 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Spider-Man has the more fun villains for comic books, but Batman has the deeper villains for stories. At the end of the day, I think that gives Batman the edge.

#11 Edited by SupremeHyperion (1527 posts) - - Show Bio

I know spider-man's would destroy bats' rogue gallery... and I think there are more interesting characters that Spidey battles. Batman has some pretty iconic advesaries but overall his don't stack up.

#12 Posted by Strider92 (16450 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion Batman's villains lack variety. Because of the dark gritty setting all Batman's villains have the same sort of theme. Socipathic, murderers, psychotic etc.... whereas Spider-man's ones aren't all the same due to the setting. On one end you've got fun characters like Big Wheel and on the other downright scary ones like Morlun. With Batman you don't have the same differences.

#13 Posted by ZombieMowlcher (677 posts) - - Show Bio

Both.

#14 Posted by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

On one end you've got fun characters like Big Wheel and on the other downright scary ones like Morlun. With Batman you don't have the same differences.

Condiment King says hi.

Batman has plenty of absurd foes who are mainly around for comedic effect. It's just that the crazies are the ones who are most popular.

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#15 Posted by TDK_1997 (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man for me.

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#16 Edited by Strider92 (16450 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Condiment King says hi.

Batman has plenty of absurd foes who are mainly around for comedic effect. It's just that the crazies are the ones who are most popular.

Isn't he a Birds Of Prey/Batgirl villain? IIRC he's had only 1 appearance in Batman but about 6-7 divided among the Birds Of Prey and Batgirl.

#17 Edited by RustyRoy (12706 posts) - - Show Bio

Batvillains hands down though Spideyvillains are awesome too.

#18 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman the villains are super interesting and crazy! Plus there's bane

#19 Posted by entropy_aegis (15316 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion Batman's villains lack variety. Because of the dark gritty setting all Batman's villains have the same sort of theme. Socipathic, murderers, psychotic etc.... whereas Spider-man's ones aren't all the same due to the setting. On one end you've got fun characters like Big Wheel and on the other downright scary ones like Morlun. With Batman you don't have the same differences.

Couldn't the same be said for Spider-Man writers fascination with insect themed villains,Goblin wannabes and Venom ripoffs?That I think sums up like 99% of the Spider-Man villains.Still I do think Spidey rogues are overall a better match for Spidey than Batrogues are for Bruce(not just physical strength).

As for whose are better thats hard,but Batman does have more notable new additions who are fairly unique.

Batman has plenty of fun villains too,Riddler is pure comedy.

#20 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

Spider-Man's villains are easy to remember because you just say an animal name and chances are you've hit one of the head. But they're not terribly interesting. Green Goblin is just Lex and the Joker combined, Doc Ock sucks (as Slott has plainly shown), Chameleon is boring, Sandman is waaaaaay too powerful for Spidey, Rhino and Shocker and Electro are good, Venom was fantastic but has been watered down completely. Beetle is a good guy now. Kingpin is off fighting DD. And the rest are by and large not very good.

#21 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion Batman's villains lack variety. Because of the dark gritty setting all Batman's villains have the same sort of theme. Socipathic, murderers, psychotic etc.... whereas Spider-man's ones aren't all the same due to the setting. On one end you've got fun characters like Big Wheel and on the other downright scary ones like Morlun. With Batman you don't have the same differences.

Not to pile on, but personally, I actually enjoy this. It gives Batman's Rogues a sort of unifying central theme - the idea that Batman's madness breeds madness in Gotham. Plus, sociopaths fit perfectly into Bats' violent world...I'd be a little weirded out if I suddenly saw aliens in page 4 of the Batman solo title. It works in the Justice League, but for Batman, a more psychotic approach is necessary.

At any rate, one could say that the bulk of Spidey's villains fall into the same core categories as well. Most are animal-themed or science-based crooks obsessed with wealth and riches. Of course not all Spider-Man villains fall into these broad categories, but really, nearly every superhero's rogues galleries have archetypes. Wonder Woman's villains are largely mythological in some way (Ares, Cheetah), Superman's are usually aliens (Brainiac, Darkseid) or science-based villains (Parasite, Luthor, Metallo), Flash's villains are all cheesy, colorful blue-collars concerned only with profit (Captain Cold, Mirror Master, the entire Rogues really). Et cetera.

#22 Posted by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Condiment King says hi.

Batman has plenty of absurd foes who are mainly around for comedic effect. It's just that the crazies are the ones who are most popular.

Isn't he a Birds Of Prey/Batgirl villain? IIRC he's had only 1 appearance in Batman but about 6-7 divided among the Birds Of Prey and Batgirl.

Was making a point >.<

If you want a more frequent Batman villain, there's Maxie Zeus.

I think the most valid criticism you could level against Batman's rogue's gallery is that there are far too many characters in the mold of the Anti-Batman. There's the two (soon to be three) Wraths, Hush, Deathstroke, Prometheus, Bane, Owlman, Dr. Hurt, the Heretic, Nobody, the Reaper, etc. But then again, all major characters have this problem. Spider-Man has Venom, Carnage, Black Tarantula et al, Superman has Zod, Henshaw, Bizarro etc.

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#23 Posted by k4tzm4n (43704 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulture solos.

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#24 Posted by TheManInTheShoe (3878 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's villains are much smarter and more classic

#25 Posted by lilcraig92 (80 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's Al Goul and The Joker

#26 Posted by Bruxae (13836 posts) - - Show Bio

Batmans!

#27 Posted by RustyRoy (12706 posts) - - Show Bio

Should've been a poll.

@k4tzm4n said:

Vulture solos.

Against Joker?

#28 Edited by Joygirl (19927 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat-villains for the huge win. Joker, Hush, Riddler, Harley, Two-Face, Bane, Ra's -- his top-tier villains far exceed Spidey's, most of which I generally dislike (pretty much only Venom, who I prefer as a hero).

#29 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

Should've been a poll.

@k4tzm4n said:

Vulture solos.

Against Joker?

Lizard certainly does.

#30 Posted by RustyRoy (12706 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

Should've been a poll.

@k4tzm4n said:

Vulture solos.

Against Joker?

Lizard certainly does.

In terms of strength? or do you mean as a better villain?

#31 Edited by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@bluelantern1995 said:

@rustyroy said:

Should've been a poll.

@k4tzm4n said:

Vulture solos.

Against Joker?

Lizard certainly does.

In terms of strength? or do you mean as a better villain?

Both, I just enjoy him more. You have to admit that their isn't another villain like him. Joker however has millions(however he is the best in his area).

#32 Edited by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not about whose villains are more powerful it's whose are more interesting.

I think Batmans villains are more interesting because of the psychology they each represent, and how many of them are great foils for Bats. Spider-Man's rogues are beast, no doubt, but Bat's villains have such a psychological depth and weight to them. Many of them represent a vision of the world through the lense of different mental illnesses.

#33 Posted by RustyRoy (12706 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@bluelantern1995 said:

@rustyroy said:

Should've been a poll.

@k4tzm4n said:

Vulture solos.

Against Joker?

Lizard certainly does.

In terms of strength? or do you mean as a better villain?

Both, I just enjoy him more. You have to admit that their isn't another villain like him. Joker however has millions(however he is the best in his area).

Killer Croc pretty much resembles Lizard and Croc's not a bad character either and Joker is the father of those million of villains like him. I like Lizard too but for me he's no where near Joker.

#34 Posted by papabearg4d (110 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis said:

I think Batmans villains are more interesting because of the psychology they each represent, and how many of them are great foils for Bats. Spider-Man's rogues are beast, no doubt, but Bat's villains have such a psychological depth and weight to them. Many of them represent a vision of the world through the lense of different mental illnesses.

Well said.

#35 Edited by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis said:

It's not about whose villains are more powerful it's whose are more interesting.

I think Batmans villains are more interesting because of the psychology they each represent, and how many of them are great foils for Bats. Spider-Man's rogues are beast, no doubt, but Bat's villains have such a psychological depth and weight to them. Many of them represent a vision of the world through the lense of different mental illnesses.

#36 Edited by JediXMan (30594 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman, no doubt.

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#37 Posted by Loki9876 (3045 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman

#38 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5899 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman

#39 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane is my favorite villain of all time, but overall Spidey's rogues is just a bit better. No doubt about it...

#40 Edited by comicace3 (5251 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has more psychotic villains... which I like.

#41 Posted by Auralaria (479 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on what kind of mood I'm in.

#42 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (11035 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman

#43 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey

#44 Edited by czechoslovakia (123 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats

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#45 Posted by Black_Arrow (3136 posts) - - Show Bio

bats but spidey is close

#46 Posted by nintendork666 (284 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man, always.

#47 Edited by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's villains are much smarter and more classic

the genius that is killer croc. or clayface. or two-face. or killer moth. and the list goes on. whereas 97% of spidey's villains have at least 1 phd.

#48 Edited by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

@themanintheshoe said:

Batman's villains are much smarter and more classic

the genius that is killer croc. or clayface. or two-face. or killer moth. and the list goes on. whereas 97% of spidey's villains have at least 1 phd.

Batman has Ra's al Ghul, Hugo Strange, Hush, Simon Hurt, Owlman, Prometheus, Bane and the Calculator if you want highly intelligent foes. Meanwhile, Spider-Man has Rhino, Tombstone, Mac Gargan, Sandman, Hammerhead, Big Wheel and a bunch of other folks who have never formed their own team or organization because Marvel is clearly afraid that such a measure will make Mensa obsolete.

Really, don't bother raising indefensible points. Particularly if you're going to describe Harvey Dent as dumb when the man was a highly accomplished district attorney.

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#49 Edited by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: i wasnt raising indefensible points. just giving examples of dumb batman villains.

#50 Posted by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: i wasnt raising indefensible points. just giving examples of dumb batman villains.

".....whereas 97% of Spider-Man villains have at least 1 Ph.D", in addition to being a figure that's laughably off, also forms the implication that Spider-Man villains have some kind of vast intellectual edge. That is an indefensible point.

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