Better black superheroes - DC or Marvel?

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Poll Better black superheroes - DC or Marvel? (278 votes)

DC 43%
Marvel 58%

Which company do you guys think owns the better black characters? Representation, heroism, introduction, arcs... All aspects.

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@blackdog2009: I still think the influence of Blade (movie and new anime), war machine (Movie and shows), Falcon (movie and show), Nick fury (movie and Shows) and Storm (just the shows) would beat out Cyborg, John, and Static interms of film based media fans. Even if we add in Icons and Black Lightnings recent adventures on Young Justice (it hurts to type it) i still think Marvel out classes. However if we want to reopen the whole Martian Manhunter counts thing, and say he counts (which he does not) DC wins hands down.

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marvel- black panther, storm luke cage.

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I don't think I could say that one side is better than the other, but my favorite black superheroes belong to DC.

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#55  Edited By Havenless

Isn't Storm Marvel's most popular female character? That's a pretty big deal.

And especially with the movies now War Machine should be more known to general audiences than a Cyborg or a John Stewart.

But overall, I think both companies are doing a poor job with it. What black superhero is genuinely getting solo recognition? I'm not talking about having a story arc about them or a miniseries, I'm talking a long-standing comic solely devoted to them? Miles Morales probably the closest to this?

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#41 Posted by The Stegman (16823 posts) - 1 day, 2 hours ago - Show Bio

Honestly, it's a tie and all about which character (and which company) you like more. DC has John Stewart, Cyborg, Black Lightning, while Marvel has Storm, Black Panther, Luke Cage etc. Both have cool characters.

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I voted DC.

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What is with 90% of the black characters named here having an animal/jungle or an electrical/robot based power set? Something I always noticed, but for some reason I never really questioned.

I've noticed this as well.

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DC for David Zavimbe....props for john stewart and cyboirg and static X (as well as many marvel characters like Luke Cage and Black Panther)

but David Zavimbe is the best Black Character out of Africa there is. Black Panther is a great hero, but he isn't as....authentic, when it comes to being an African character... ill admit, I am divided on my descision, its not a clear sweep. but at the same time its obvious to me

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#60  Edited By Zijuun

@marlboroman said:

I love John Stewart and static but Marvel side has more good quality black heroes in my opinion. Storm, Blade, Black Panther, Luke Cage,Deathlok, Monica Rambeu, Brother Voodoo list just goes on.

Black characters of DC always made me felt like they been created just to not look racist.(Same thing goes to Falcon and War Machine)

This post has so much win! ^^^

But most of the time on this thread, I see that DC fanboys vote DC & Marvel fanboys vote Marvel. I'm unbiased & I can say that for a fact that Marvel does it better!

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I say Marvel! They have pushed their black characters harder than Dc .Marvel has also highlighted more black characters than Dc. In all honestly if it wasn't for John Stewart being on the JL and JLU cartoon people wouldn't even root so hard for him in Dc. Then we have Static,who's loved because of his cartoon and helped boost his comic sales in Dc. It's fair to say we can go on about the black characters Marvel has pushed whom have been accepted by the general public! Let name a few hmmm, Black Panther, Captain Universe (currently), Photon, Storm( whom is popular than every black character at Dc), Falcon, Blue Marvel, Isaiah Bradley ( The first Captain America) , The Patriot( Eli Bradley), Ultimate Spiderman (Miles Morales), Cloak, Luke Cage,etc..... Marvel even has a black version of Thor! Dc is doesn't stand a chance here. The sad thing is I only named a few black Marvel characters that many would know.

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Marvel on average have the more interesting and better superheros.

I like DC AND MARVEL and like the black superheros in DC but marvel have more varied and more black superheros.Heck the white,asian,native american,brown etc... superheros are more interesting on average then DC.

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#63  Edited By FearTheLiving

Marvel.

Luke Cage, Storm, Blade, Black Panther, War Machine, Falcon, Spider-man (Miles), Nick Fury, Forge, Brother Vodoo, and Deathlok (a couple of them) to name a few.

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I don't know....

DC has:

  • Black Canary
  • Black Condor
  • Black Lightning
  • Black Orchid

but Marvel has:

  • Black Bolt
  • Black Cat
  • Black Knight
  • Black Panther
  • Black Widow

They both have cool heroes, Marvel has the upper hand I guess... Although with villains, DC wins by a milestone:

  • Black Adam
  • Black Hand
  • Black Manta
  • Black Mask
  • Black Racer
  • + some more
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Static and John Stewart make DC the winner.

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Static and John Stewart make DC the winner.

Yeah a character they haven't even touched in a over a year or two? DC clearly wins lol.

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@dagmar_merrill said:

Static and John Stewart make DC the winner.

Yeah a character they haven't even touched in a over a year or two? DC clearly wins lol.

But.. but.. but.. Static had his milestone series which is fantastic!

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Marvel. Storm, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Blue Marvel etc..

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Image has Spawn. He supersedes the choices.

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Panther, Storm and Cage win me over I guess.

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Marvel since they have the best hero ever with Black Panther

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Black Panther = best black superhero ever.

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Black Panther solos.

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Either really, Both sides hit or miss with me

Though Frenzy is one of my favorite "Brick" girls

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I have to side with Marvel on this one. Don't get me wrong DC has some great black characters, but DC doesn't have Misty Knight...... She has a F-ing gold robot arm and an afro! She used to be roommates with the Phoenix, and her best friend is a samurai detective. Hands down one of the coolest, and one of the most under used characters out there......

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My top two favorite black superheroes are in Marvel (Black Panther and Storm) but after that it's a lot of DC characters with Black Lighting, Static, Cyborg, John Stewart, Steel, Mr Terrific, Batwing, and Vixen

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Oh and my top two favorite superheros in DC AND MARVEL is first blue marvel,then john stewart,but after that i have more top favorites in marvel ON AVERAGE then DC.

By the way my TOP favorite superhero team up book NOW is the New Mighty Avengers.

Folks here need start reading/ buying that book.

Folks here need to check this thread out

Black superheroes list/thread.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008559;p=1

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Speaking of static and batwing

DC Comics’ New 52 Edges Towards Landmark 52nd Cancellation [Analysis]

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DC Comics announced via its August solicitations the cancellation of six of its lowest-selling New 52 titles: All-Star Western, Batwing, Birds of Prey, Superboy, Trinity of Sin: Pandora, and Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger. The books’ final issues ship in August, one month shy of the third anniversary of the New 52 initiative that rebooted the entire DC superhero line with fifty-two new or relaunched series.

The total number of New 52 titles cancelled or discontinued in that three year period now stands at 47, which means just five more cancellations will tip the company over into a new New 52; fifty-two books that didn’t work out. That seems like heavy turnover for such a high profile relaunch, but what does it tell us about DC’s strategy?

The “52″ number was always a weird totem for DC. The publisher latched onto the number for its hit yearlong weekly series 52, published in the wake of the Infinite Crisis soft continuity reboot of 2006. Within that series the publisher established 52 parallel realities, downgrading from its previously established “infinite” Earths (but upgrading from its separately established rule against any parallel Earths… it’s complicated).

After the 2011 continuity-obliterating Flashpoint, DC relaunched its line with 52 titles in a single month, and the number that once applied to the weeks in a year was now a sort of vestigial trademark, as strongly associated with the DC brand as “57 Varieties” is associated with the Heinz brand.

“57 Varieties” doesn’t mean anything. Henry J. Heinz reportedly picked the number as a way to indicate the range of Heinz products on offer, but it was never an accurate accounting of the company’s products. There were more than 57 Heinz products when he came up with the slogan, and there are far more than 57 Heinz products today.

DC may have come up with the 52 number as a similar exercise in showcasing its range, yet range is a limited virtue for a publisher whose output tends towards a narrow demographic reach. For a while DC maintained its relaunched core line at 52 titles, always announcing a new series at the cancellation of an old one, but the strategy was obviously a limiting one, and at some point the actual number of titles comprising that 52 became muddy. With multiple miniseries, event comics, weekly titles and one-shots (and more if you count the out-of-continuity digital-first projects), there hasn’t been an unambiguous DC 52 in a long time. Like Heinz 57, DC’s 52 doesn’t mean anything any more.

Yet it provides a useful landmark for judging DC’s current strategy. With convention season upon us and a host of announcements doubtlessly coming down the pipeline, it seems certain that DC will hit its 52nd New 52 cancellation sooner rather than later. As it stands, the publisher averages one final issue almost every three weeks.

Generously, such high turnover may indicate a willingness to try new ideas on DC’s part. Less generously, it may indicate a poor understanding of a changing market.

Marvel has averaged about one final issue a month since its Marvel NOW relaunch began in October 2012. DC, of course, has had more time to see its books fail, but most of its discontinued books have been real cancellations — as opposed to strategic conclusions. Justice League of America, Nightwing, and Teen Titans were among the only books discontinued specifically so they could be relaunched. (It remains to be seen if any of the six latest discontinuations will also lead to relaunches.) Batman Incorporated is one of the only titles ended at an author’s insistence. Animal Man is one of the only titles afforded extra time to tell a real ending. Most of DC’s cancelled titles ended swiftly and unceremoniously, and in some cases acrimoniously.

Marvel’s discontinuations have had a different flavor. Books like Young Avengers and Superior Spider-Man ended because the authors were finished telling those stories, and cancellations that pave the way for relaunches are much more common at Marvel; see Captain Marvel, Daredevil (both pre-NOW titles), Indestructible Hulk, Wolverine & The X-Men, Secret Avengers, the two X-Force books (recently replaced by one), the two Fantastic Four books (also replaced by one) and Avengers Arena, which told a complete story but led in to a new book, Avengers Undercover. Even titles like X-Men: Legacy, Avengers A.I., and Fearless Defenders, all of which felt like true cancellations, were allowed time to resolve their stories.

Marvel has proved an indulgent caretaker of its books since its major line-wide makeover, and benefited from taking a different approach to DC. Marvel didn’t flood the market with a whole new line of books in a single month; it released them slowly to give smaller titles more of a chance. The publisher never bound itself to the idea that every cancellation had to be matched with a launch. It pitched books to different audiences, relied on creators to make the titles distinctive, and gave creators room to tell whole stories — and, at least in some cases, end them if they so chose.

Allowing a low-selling title to continue so that the story can resolve may seem like an unsound business decision, but the good faith it establishes with audiences and creators may benefit the publisher’s relationship with both, encouraging writers to commit to a publisher they know will give them room to reach, and encouraging readers to try new titles that they would otherwise expect to fail. Allowing for an ending may also net rewards in sales of book collections — the comics equivalent of a TV show reaching enough episodes to be sold into syndication. Completed stories are a more appealing book sales prospect than stories with no ending.

DC quietly dropped its strict commitment to a 52-title line and freed itself from that churn, but the publisher still seems more committed to volume and turnover than to soliciting the affection of readers or creators. There is potentially some virtue to a high turnover approach; it allows a publisher to be radical in its exploration of concepts.

But “radical” is not a word many would use to describe DC’s current output. Indeed, the New 52 line has been marked across its three years by such stark homogeneity that even writers and artists known for bringing personality to their work have been largely subsumed into a house style that renders them flavorless. The creators who still stand out are either those with the most power and/or acclaim, like Geoff Johns, Greg Capullo, Scott Snyder, Francis Manapul and Cliff Chiang, or those who don’t seem to last long at the company.

That’s not to say that DC takes no chances. Within this latest raft of cancellations are a few books that DC tried to find an audience for long after the point where they might have understandably pulled the plug. Female-led team book Birds of Prey, separated from its most famous author Gail Simone (and from its founding character, the wheelchair-using hero Oracle), struggled for a long time to find an audience. Batwing, DC’s last solo title led by a character of color, was a first wave New 52 title that never performed well yet still made it to 34 issues. (In the process it swapped its African lead character for an African-American lead character more closely tied to the established Batman mythos.)

DC couldn’t find an audience for these books. That may be because that audience couldn’t find these books, rather than because the audience isn’t there. DC’s monolithic house style and devotion to event-driven storytelling do not create an inviting environment for new or diverse readers. That would be fine if DC’s old familiar readers could support a 52-title line (or something close to 52 titles), but the rate of cancellations suggests this isn’t the case. DC’s core audience can’t support such a sprawling line, but DC’s editorial approach can’t reach a wider audience.

Marvel once again provides the natural point of comparison as the only other publisher doing what DC does on the same scale. While DC says farewell to its last solo POC hero title in August, Marvel will have seven such titles on the stands that month – Ghost Rider, Iron Patriot, Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man, Ms. Marvel, Nova, Spider-Man 2099, and Storm – as well as the minority-dominated team books Mighty Avengers and All-New Ultimates. Marvel will also have six solo titles with female leads in August — Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Elektra, Ms. Marvel, Storm, and She-Hulk, plus the female team book X-Men. DC only just retains its established lead for female heroes thanks to the addition of a digital-first Wonder Woman anthology, Sensation Comics, joining World’s Finest, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman.

Most of these Marvel titles are very new — Storm and Spider-Man 2099 haven’t even launched yet — so we’re in unproven territory. It’s possible that all of these titles will be gone within a year, and it’s unlikely that any of them will sell Avengers numbers.

Yet Marvel’s approach to publishing seems to give these books a better shot at success than they’d have at DC. Post-NOW, Marvel has shown a willingness to give new books the spotlight and the time they need, and a commitment to creative teams that encourages confidence and distinctiveness. Marvel also shows a greater sensitivity to creating minority-led books that might actually appeal to a minority audience — for example, presenting most of its solo female heroes in a way that isn’t designed to pander primarily to straight male readers.

On paper, Marvel’s rate of cancellation isn’t wildly different to DC’s, but in practice Marvel’s measured approach to scheduling and promotion creates the appearance of greater stability. When Marvel cancels a book, it’s usually a sign that a gamble didn’t pay off. DC’s 47 cancellations in the past three years aren’t evidence of a willingness to gamble. They’re evidence of a market that simply doesn’t have room to accommodate 52 titles predominantly built around the same conservative audience and aesthetic models.

A new line of 52 titles was an ambitious idea for a relaunch, and many industry insiders and commentators credit that initiative with injecting a much needed if short term commercial boost to the American business. But that fast-approaching 52nd cancellation shows that DC didn’t have what it takes to follow through on its ambitions.

http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-new-52-47-cancelation/

Here is some more talk about this.

DC Comics' Cancellation Culture

http://www.gothamspoilers.com/2013/05/dc-comics-cancellation-culture.html

Marvel has it's problems like said,but less so then DC.

Read here.Misty knight is in this book

Marvel NOW!’s Failure of the Fearless Defenders

http://kabooooom.com/2013/12/editors-notes-marvel-nows-failure-fearless-defenders/

By the way you could check out these forums too and there is even some info about what DC WAS PLANNING TO DO TO JOHN STEWART.Yeah,kill him off.

For more of that see here.

You COULD check out forums too.

Poll: Re-cast Hal Jordan for JL movie? Yay or Nay?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=466981&page=12

Marvel Films

http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

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@feartheliving said:

@dagmar_merrill said:

Static and John Stewart make DC the winner.

Yeah a character they haven't even touched in a over a year or two? DC clearly wins lol.

But.. but.. but.. Static had his milestone series which is fantastic!

Still doesn't change that they have such an awesome character that could essentially be their Spider-Man (or the Blue Beetle) and they choose to do nothing of interest with him, and you'd think if you were a fan of the character that would tick you off just a bit. Static needs some love again.

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@dagmar_merrill said:

@feartheliving said:

@dagmar_merrill said:

Static and John Stewart make DC the winner.

Yeah a character they haven't even touched in a over a year or two? DC clearly wins lol.

But.. but.. but.. Static had his milestone series which is fantastic!

Still doesn't change that they have such an awesome character that could essentially be their Spider-Man (or the Blue Beetle) and they choose to do nothing of interest with him, and you'd think if you were a fan of the character that would tick you off just a bit. Static needs some love again.

Well the New 52 title was trash. So, honestly if they don't have a good plan for him I would rather have good back issues rather than rubbish new ones.

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@dagmar_merrill: If they stopped ignored every character that had a bad run at any point in their history there weren't be too many still hanging around. You have to hop back on that horse and try to write something better (or at the very least put them in other things to have them build up a fanbase/keep him relevant). Static and other characters suffer from a bad run a lot more however because they just don't have the popularity of other Batman or Superman or Spider-man who can have a couple bad runs in a row and still have another one coming around the corner with a new team to try and change that.

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@feartheliving: I'm not saying they shouldn't use him anymore, I am saying they should wait until they have a good direction to take him.

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#85  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Honestly, it's a tie and all about which character (and which company) you like more. DC has John Stewart, Cyborg, Black Lightning, while Marvel has Storm, Black Panther, Luke Cage etc. Both have cool characters.

I stick by what I said 8 months ago. And since the poll is almost dead even, I see others agree.

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#86  Edited By mace1111

Static shock i think will be showing up in the teen titans comic, so look for him there.

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#87  Edited By GraniteSoldier

This is essentially Panther and Blade vs John Stewart for me. Both companies have good black heroes though. I call it a tie.

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I'm a Dc fan but even I had to side with Marvel on this one. I don't know if they have the better black characters, but they sure know how to treat them better

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Luke Cage, Black Panther, and Vision (not really black since he is a robot but looks black) by themselves make up for all black characters Dc has

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Marvel. Because they now create new characters and don't racechange old.

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DC has Static.

That's like 10 superheroes worth of quality right there.

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DC has more tier A, heavy hitter clack superheroes.........john stewarts BA

The only notable marvel black hero i love is black panther

DC gets my vote

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Marvel has by far my favorite black character (Blade) but I think DC wins since they also absorbed the Milestone characters. Furthermore, DC's black characters have gotten way more non-comic exposure (Static had his own show, John Stewart was a founding member of the JL, Cyborg is a Teen Titan). I think if Marvel does a good job with the Iron Fist/Luke Cage show and grows some balls and does a Black Panther movie Marvel would be the better company in terms of Black Characters. Also, DC has by far the best black Supervillain (Black Manta). It will be interesting to see how long Miles Morales lasts though. I've really enjoyed his character development and would love to see him get some original and bada** villains

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#94  Edited By Tyger

Marvel has Black Panther, Luke Cage (getting his own series!), Blade (own Trilogy!) and Spectrum, and in Ultimate U, Miles as Spider-Man. We'll have to see if Blue Marvel gets decent treatment or not. Bishop seems to be lost, but Storm seems to be getting ready for a push.

DC has Cyborg and John Steward, but ditched Static, and... is Shadowhawk black again? Haven't been paying much attention to Image. Spawn had a movie before he was bought by DC, but it was meh. Steel had one, but it was worse then meh. But now I'm in the mood to rewatch the Spawn animated series.

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Marvel

because Storm

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Cyborg and Holt, FTW.

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Marvel. and lock the thread. the only people who like DCs black heroes are niche DC fans. no one else even cares.

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Marvel. and lock the thread. the only people who like DCs black heroes are niche DC fans. no one else even cares.

Yeah, everyone has forgotten about great characters like mr.terrific, John stewart, black manta etc etc.... lol, you haven't read a single DC comic, you probably haven't read much marvel either, but that's just you. You are clearly showing us that you are biased as f---.

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#99  Edited By cresShadow

@manchine: storm is more known and loved more than all three of them

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The only good Marvel black characters are Bishop, War Machine, and............maybe Blade?

Storm is ruined by a nauseating fanbase, Black Panther is a walking plot device, Luke Cage is coonery bafoonery, and Falcon just straight up sucks. I mean seriously, Falcon has the power to talk to birds, I .e. Chicken, and he used to be a pimp. Uhh.......... Yeah.

DC (I think still) has Milestone. Icon, Static, and Hardware alone trounce anyone at Marvel. Likewise, as crappy and boring as John Stewart and Cyborg are, even they're better than most Marvel black characters. Then there's Mr. Terrific, the Batwings, Steel, Natasha Irons, hell, even Nubia.