@juiceboks said:
@dan12456 said:
@juiceboks said:
@dan12456: First of all they weren't just common mooks, they were Russian mobsters. Second of all they ambushed him off screen, we don't know exactly what happened other than it didn't end well for Matt. There could have been 15 of them all armed with guns and combat knives for all we know. At worst it's a low showing of carelessness on Matt's part, and was rectified literally that same night when he took them all down at their hideout while in a state that would've earned him a rush to the ER.
Show me a fight where Matt was owned by common street thugs on screen.
OOH Russian Mobsters, I take it all back.
Matt literally struggled in every single fight in the series except the very first one.
Russian mobsters who were arguably the most dangerous gang in Hell's Kitchen. Clearly not your "common street thugs".
You need to revisit the series because your memory is failing you. Matt had no trouble taking down those armed mobsters that kidnapped Claire, those armed police officers while handcuffed, or those armed police officers who were going to shoot that corrupt detective in the warehouse. Healy gave him some trouble but Matt was still clearly dominating nearly the entire time and Healy himself was a trained fighter and killer. Stick gave Matt trouble but that's to be expected given he trained the man. Nobu was a ninja who was a master of an unorthodox fighting style, clearly someone who would fodderize "common street thugs" and Matt still beat him. He had trouble with Melvin whom, much like Fisk, was much stronger than anyone Matt had previously fought and at the same time Matt only wanted his help. He also knew how to fight with the tools in his workshop very effectively, so it's not like he wasn't an experienced fighter. Fisk giving Matt trouble should be expected for obvious reasons.
The only people that Matt couldn't fodderize were trained professionals and guys with near inhuman levels of strength and durability(relative to everyone else).
Dude, no gang banger should've been a threat to matt if he was in the caliber of the other characters on this poll. Also pretty sure the Russians were less dangerous than Madame Gao's gang, but either way the series doesn't state it and they are still random fodder others on this list would wreck.
The fact is Matt has absolutely zero high end feats, as you yourself state he had serious trouble with EVERY SINGLE character who wasn't fodder in the entire series. Melvin Potter and Fisk are not enhanced humans and neither are even particularly trained combatants. There is no indication Nobu is an upper level member of the Hand, probably an average member for the group but who knows at this point, I just highly doubt they'd start with a particularly strong one. Stick I accept a bit more. Healy was merely upper level fodder. The first episode assassin also worked him hard.
Beating cops is the least impressive feat in comic book show history. Nearly ever character can do that. I did forget about the ones who took Claire but he had prep there, so not a great example of his fighting skill.
Again this isn't a bad thing, the show is great and it arguably works better. But Daredevil at this point simply doesn't have high level feats. Like at all.
Edit: Remember Merlyn, Oliver, etc commonly mow down league of assassin members. Very upper level fodder who are probably all as skilled as Nobu. And they take down like 5 in a minute without breaking a sweat.
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