Benjamin J. Grimm - TERRORIST!?!

Ben Grimm is a terrorist. He should be arrested, convicted and imprisoned.

Now, just let that thought FESTER for a moment... Ben Grimm is a noble character who happens to be one of the most well loved Super Heroes in the Marvel Universe. Not only is he a good guy, but he's a GOOD GUY.... EVERYONE likes Ben Grimm...

And if I met someone that actually believed Ben was a Terrorist and that he should be arrested and imprisoned, I would want to bitch-slap that person... (not that I would.)

HOWEVER.... I can only assume that those writing the current AvX storyline would disagree with me (but they wouldn't admit it...) What makes me think this?

Consider the following two characters; Ben Grimm and Emma Frost. Consider what happened to them and what they did.

Ben Grimm	Emma Frost
Possessed by:	Asgardian god of Fear. Brother of Odin	Phoenix Force.
Crimes	Murder (an untold number of American citizens died at the hands of Ben Grimm. He may of killed people from other countries, I'm not sure). Massive property damage (billions of dollars of damage) TERRORISM. While possessed, Ben Grimm's entire purpose and focus was murder and destruction with the direct intent of INSTILLING FEAR in the human population. He was quite literally, a terrorist.	Murder (I know of only one person she has murdered by there could be more. This person was a citizen of the United States.). Tyranny - making citizens of Utopia bow down and worship her.
Summary	While possessed by a powerful and evil Asgardian god, Ben Grimm murdered many people, destroyed billions of dollars worth of property, and terrorized millions of people.	While possessed by half the Phoenix force, Emma Frost murdered one man, and then forced a small group of people from her own country to bow and worship her.
Result	Ben Grimm was freed from possession (by his nephew Franklin) and not charged of any crime.	Emma Frost was arrested for terrorism, and taken into custody by the Avengers.

In New Avengers 30, Emma Frost is in an armored transport vehicle being transported as a prisoner. Luke Cage calls her a Mutant Terrorist...

So, what am I to conclude. Ben Grimm murdered many people and caused billions of dollars of property damage, and more importantly, was quite literally a terrorist in that he actually wanted to create terror... He INTENDED TO TERRORIZE, TO INSTILL FEAR....

Emma, on the other hand, murdered one person, and helped give the earth clean energy, food, and water... She also released her serious inner bitch and forced the citizens of Utopia to bow down and worship her... but she was NOT a terrorist....

Bot Ben and Emma were possessed by powerful beings... Both were not truly in control of their actions... While possessed, Ben did things that were FAR worse than what Emma did... And yet, BEN is one of the people transporting Emma, the mutant terrorist....

Hypocrite much?

So, if Emma Frost truly is a terrorist, then why isn't Ben Grimm? Or Bruce Banner? Or Wolverine?

he saved more lives than he murdered

Thing aint no crummy terrorist. He's a HERO! Mebbe he aint no blasted Hulk, but he's still a hero an' can clobber some 'a those crummy bad joes out there.

He wuz just outta control when Angrir possessed him.

Coz Thing was actually possessed and wasn't doing those acts under his own power.

Im just going to play along with OP...

Quantifying lives as: "saving more lives than taking" is still not okay.

Being possessed is no excuse.

@jasonhawke: Being possessed is EVERY excuse... it'd be like the "insanity clause" on steroids he was not in his right mind and couldn't control his actions...

What I never understood was, why were they in control? Was it because they only had parts of the PF? Or are they always in control? If that is the case, Jean was a mass murderer.

Oh sure sure. Doesnt matter what atrocities you commit, as long as you were possessed, it's all A-Okay!

@jasonhawke: it's not ok but it isn't the possessed person fault,it's the possessor's.

The Victims dont see it that way.

The writers explained that the PF heightened what they were as people but it was still them. Which differ from what happened with the chosen.

@jasonhawke: we'll that's the thing, the person who was possessed was also a victim. It's sh***y and unfair for the people who got killed or injured but that's the way it is. Punishing the possessed person is just committing another wrong in order to make themselves feel better.

Oooh I get it.

OP kinda ruined it with the last sentence though. Leave some mystery.

If some psychopath strapped a bomb to an innocent person and it went off, causing the death of a bunch of people would the host of the bomb be a mass murderer??

Ah okay, because they weren't the "chosen one", it was different than Jean. Thanks, never fully understood it for some reason lol

@project_worm: Yes, cause the people who died and the victims' families and friends would immediately blame the guy who had the bomb strapped to his chest cause they dont know if he was used or not since everyone always takes things at face value.

@avenging_x_bolt: Well duh, there's always someone that needs to take the blame. Besides, the person who got possessed should get blamed anyway for having such a weak-will and allowing themselves to be used that way.


Listen you guys, I could argue philosophies and what's "wrong" and what's "right" all night but.... i think ima leave it at that. Lol

@jasonhawke: sickening. Just f#*^ing sickening.

Weakness is sickening!

Exactly this. The only time someone might have been fully possessed by the PF was when Cyclops had the full might of the PF under his control and even then it's possible part of Cyclops' mind could have dictated his actions with the PF. In contrast, Ben Grimm was fully possessed by Angrir and acting completely out of character. That meant his actions were not his own and so he couldn't be charged with crimes he did not commit.

@jasonhawke: then by that logic, the people who got killed are the ones at fault for being unable to defend themselves.

@jasonhawke: wouldn't it make more sense to blame Angrir (the entity who possessed Thing) the Serpent (the god who command Angrir) or Sin/Hydra (the one who helped the Serpent & co to return.

Which is also true. Those who cannot defend themselves dont deserve to be defended.

@jasonhawke: lol, good one. Can't believe it took me so long to realize that you're trolling.

@jasonhawke: lol