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Batman or Superman? Most Iconic Origin
@rustyroy: Not many, only a bunch of Reeve lovers, and when adjusted, B&R and SR made almost the same amount.
Look, even if you want to compare Superman Returns to B&R, Batman had an entire animated universe crafted around him and a spin-off in that timespan to keep audiences interested in him. After Superman Returns, Superman got no love.
Also, logical flaw, if Superman is the only person you think of when you say sent from an alien planet, but Batman is one of many, Superman is more iconic.
Didnt help that Snyder's last movie was crap either.
@rustyroy: Not many, only a bunch of Reeve lovers, and when adjusted, B&R and SR made almost the same amount.
Look, even if you want to compare Superman Returns to B&R, Batman had an entire animated universe crafted around him and a spin-off in that timespan to keep audiences interested in him. After Superman Returns, Superman got no love.
Also, logical flaw, if Superman is the only person you think of when you say sent from an alien planet, but Batman is one of many, Superman is more iconic.
Didnt help that Snyder's last movie was crap either.
I disagree, and even if you say fans of the Reeve movies only liked it, they are still loved by many so that's more than a bunch. SR's even held better at the box office than MoS. Animated series followers only a make a tiny fraction of the GP.
By your logic Silver Surfer's origin is more Iconic. Even though many characters have similar origin like Batman, Batman's name comes up first, that's how Iconic his origin is. Superman, Batman and Spider-Man's origin is equally Iconic, almost everyone will be able to tell them.
@rustyroy: In what way did SR hold a better BO? The only reason why MoS didnt tred water was because it faced Pixar the next week and the reviewers hyped up WWZ in a time where TWD was considered one of the best shows on TV.
And no, people didnt like SR. It's considered the most boring superhero movie ever created by many, and considered a great homage to Donner's Superman by the people who do like it. No one loved it, unlike Begins which was a fantastic movie.
You can discredit animated series if you want, but Spiderman built a fan base on his countless animated series in the 90s and look where it got him. X-Men got a movie because of their animated series. Kids who grew up in the 90s had BTAS to make Batman relevant and prove that B&R was bad because B&R was bad, not because Batman was bad. Kids dont read comics, they learn about comics through animation.
@rustyroy: In what way did SR hold a better BO? The only reason why MoS didnt tred water was because it faced Pixar the next week and the reviewers hyped up WWZ in a time where TWD was considered one of the best shows on TV.
And no, people didnt like SR. It's considered the most boring superhero movie ever created by many, and considered a great homage to Donner's Superman by the people who do like it. No one loved it, unlike Begins which was a fantastic movie.
You can discredit animated series if you want, but Spiderman built a fan base on his countless animated series in the 90s and look where it got him. X-Men got a movie because of their animated series. Kids who grew up in the 90s had BTAS to make Batman relevant and prove that B&R was bad because B&R was bad, not because Batman was bad. Kids dont read comics, they learn about comics through animation.
Spider-Man only had one animated series in the 90's. First time I heard someone say X-Men got a movie because of their animated series. And Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Blade and many other heroes hadn't had animated series for years and they did fine. SR faced Devil wears prada after 2 days and Dead Man's Chest in the 2nd week, WWZ wasn't hyped by reviewers, it got good reviews but nothing spectacular.
@rustyroy: In what way did SR hold a better BO? The only reason why MoS didnt tred water was because it faced Pixar the next week and the reviewers hyped up WWZ in a time where TWD was considered one of the best shows on TV.
And no, people didnt like SR. It's considered the most boring superhero movie ever created by many, and considered a great homage to Donner's Superman by the people who do like it. No one loved it, unlike Begins which was a fantastic movie.
You can discredit animated series if you want, but Spiderman built a fan base on his countless animated series in the 90s and look where it got him. X-Men got a movie because of their animated series. Kids who grew up in the 90s had BTAS to make Batman relevant and prove that B&R was bad because B&R was bad, not because Batman was bad. Kids dont read comics, they learn about comics through animation.
Spider-Man only had one animated series in the 90's.
You're pretty much right, there was also Spider-Man Unlimited, that wasn't all that popular.
Whenever a comparison is made between Superman and another character regarding some type of iconic status, Superman is going to come out on top. This is not an exception.
@stormshadow_x: That is one of the exceptions, and guys don't start challenging my statement lol.
@rustyroy said:
Superman, being the last son of a dead world is right up there with stuff like "bitten by a radioactive animal" as far as iconic superhero origins go. On the other hand, I know a billion characters who lost their parents at a young age and swore to avenge their deaths.
But Batman is the first one that comes to mind when you say that.
Only because Batman is the most famous example. The origin itself isn't iconic, the character is.
And by your argument Silver Surfer, Green Lantern, Hulk, F4 all have more iconic origin than Batman.
Uh, what? How?
Silver Surfer was Norrin Radd of Zenn-La, who became a herald of Galactus to save his home planet. Zenn-La's subsequent status wasn't part of Silver Surfer's origin.
Green Lantern is a dude who gets an alien weapon and becomes part of an intergalactic police force. I don't see the relation.
Hulk is a guy who gets hit by the radiation of a gamma bomb and transforms into a rampaging creature. The Fantastic Four are a group of people who got hit by cosmic rays and acquired incredible abilities because of it. I don't see the relation between these two either other than "they got their powers from fake science", but yes, that is what I'd call an iconic superhero origin.
@rustyroy said:
Superman, being the last son of a dead world is right up there with stuff like "bitten by a radioactive animal" as far as iconic superhero origins go. On the other hand, I know a billion characters who lost their parents at a young age and swore to avenge their deaths.
But Batman is the first one that comes to mind when you say that.
Only because Batman is the most famous example. The origin itself isn't iconic, the character is.
And by your argument Silver Surfer, Green Lantern, Hulk, F4 all have more iconic origin than Batman.
Uh, what? How?
Silver Surfer was Norrin Radd of Zenn-La, who became a herald of Galactus to save his home planet. Zenn-La's subsequent status wasn't part of Silver Surfer's origin.
Green Lantern is a dude who gets an alien weapon and becomes part of an intergalactic police force. I don't see the relation.
Hulk is a guy who gets hit by the radiation of a gamma bomb and transforms into a rampaging creature. The Fantastic Four are a group of people who got hit by cosmic beams and acquired incredible abilities because of it. I don't see the relation between these two either other than "they got their powers from fake science", but yes, that is what I'd call an iconic superhero origin.
What relation are you talking about? I said by your logic those characters have more iconic origin than Batman, I didn't say they have anything in common. And so according to Batman's origin isn't Iconic but he is, what makes him Iconic then, I know many other characters similar to him. Even Superman's origin is inspired from other characters.
@rustyroy: Because there's nothing unique about Batman's origin going by the concept alone. He's a guy who watched his parents get murdered, aside from putting on a superhero costume there's nothing new there.
Superman was an alien protagonist in a time where they were pretty uncommon. Even more so, while Superman's origin is inspired by other characters', it's the unique spin of an alien baby rocketed from a dying planet to ours so that he could be raised as one of our own that makes it iconic.
Mind you, Batman's origin does have certain elements that make it somewhat unique and even iconic, but if you're trying to reference his origin you have to be much more specific than you have to be when referencing Superman's origin.
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