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#1 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

what do you think would happen if they had to take on each others rogues...morals on

Edit: just so daredevil can get around all of gotham lets say bats loans him the batmobile...and to make things more interesting lets make it a one month swap. a wager between the two to see who has it tougher

#2 Edited by Icarusflies (12457 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: There was actually a crossover once. :)

Daredevil fought Scarecrow...but being the 'Man without fear' he was immune to the fear toxin.

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#3 Posted by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman takes care of all of DD's in one night, cleans up Hell's Kitchen and keeps it that way.

In a single night.

Daredevil kills Joker, and locks up some other's, but he's used to patrolling a neighborhood, not a city. Not exactly something he can search entirely on foot. Aside from that, a lot of Batman's foes, Batman beats through tech and planning rather than brute force. Guys like Clayface, for example. While Daredevil's decent with prep normally, he's out of his element and doesn't have access to the kind of tech Batman does. Unless he calls in one of Batman's old sidekicks to help, I don't see him beating Clayface.

#4 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@icarusflies:

im new to comics but fromwhat ive read on here aren't crossovers not canon?

#5 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith: Steady, Bats can't even keep control of his own city

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#6 Posted by Icarusflies (12457 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: I didn't realize you were looking for canon

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#7 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@icarusflies:

nah it doesn't matter to me. im more interested in what everyone thinks. I just thought that non canon was "bad" or something

#8 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

#9 Edited by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

Steady, Bats can't even keep control of his own city

True, but he knows it. He knows where the major crimes go down. He knows where everything is smuggled. He knows who does what where when and how. Daredevil will not.

On the other hand, Hell's Kitchen is a single neighborhood. A LOT easier to take care of than an entire city.

#10 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

Batman also has a whole network of super heroes that help him patrol Gotham not to mention some of the most advanced tech on his planet and Gotham is still a steaming cesspit of filth and corruption

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#11 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

not to mention all the corrupt politicians and cops that undo all the good he tries to do

#12 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

Batman also has a whole network of super heroes that help him patrol Gotham not to mention some of the most advanced tech on his planet and Gotham is still a steaming cesspit of filth and corruption

and aside form the bat family what superheroes? and im pretty sure gotham is bigger than hells kitchen

#13 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

Batman also has a whole network of super heroes that help him patrol Gotham not to mention some of the most advanced tech on his planet and Gotham is still a steaming cesspit of filth and corruption

and aside form the bat family what superheroes? and im pretty sure gotham is bigger than hells kitchen

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#14 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

Batman also has a whole network of super heroes that help him patrol Gotham not to mention some of the most advanced tech on his planet and Gotham is still a steaming cesspit of filth and corruption

and aside form the bat family what superheroes? and im pretty sure gotham is bigger than hells kitchen

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wait a minute lol disregard my last comment. if the crime ever got cleaned up there would be no reason for batman or daredevil lol this is comics no matter how good the hero is there has to be a villain ergo gotham and hells kitchen will always be bad places

#15 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

and im just throwin this out there but dont spiderman, ironman, the fantastic four, and daredevil all live in new York?

#16 Posted by Battle_Forum_Junkie (7567 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

to be fair

batman doesn't kill like daredevil would

and batman has (correct me if im wrong) more rogues than daredevil and a bigger city with more demented villains

Batman also has a whole network of super heroes that help him patrol Gotham not to mention some of the most advanced tech on his planet and Gotham is still a steaming cesspit of filth and corruption

and aside form the bat family what superheroes? and im pretty sure gotham is bigger than hells kitchen

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wait a minute lol disregard my last comment. if the crime ever got cleaned up there would be no reason for batman or daredevil lol this is comics no matter how good the hero is there has to be a villain ergo gotham and hells kitchen will always be bad places

Couldn't have said it better myself.

#17 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotham becomes darker and Alfred dies like DD's gf and foggy

Bulls eye will be in an asylum

#18 Edited by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman cleans up Hell's Kitchen. Daredevil kills the deadlier , eviler villains like Joker, Killer Croc, and Riddler.

#19 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman cleans up Hell's Kitchen. Daredevil kills the deadlier , eviler villains like Joker, Killer Croc, and Riddler.

maybe he kills joker but I don't think matt can do anything with killer croc.

#20 Posted by Franchise1590 (297 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would do more, and btter his city than DD would do for Gotham.

Batman is much better and more dedicated than DD meanwhile I'd say it's debatable that Nightwing is better than DD

Murdock would get killed by guys like Joker or Clayface or Al Ghul. Most impressive thing I see DD doing in Gotham is banging most of of Bats female rougues.

I respect both characters but DD would get wrecked by Gotham. He doesn't train as hard and dropps his guard too much chasinh tail to last long imo.

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#22 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7686 posts) - - Show Bio

So much Batman fanboys. Just as people are saying Daredevil would get easily killed in Gotham, let's see if Bats could survive bullseye, someone who could turn a toothpick into a deadly weapon.

#23 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4601 posts) - - Show Bio

DD fought Bruiser (who? yes but believe me he's strong) so I can see DD taking out Killer Croc, and the rest of the rouges. Clayface is the only one I see DD losing too and having to prep for on another fight.

I want to add that if DD was in Gotham Matt Murdoc would make sure all the villains got the death penalty.

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#24 Edited by Donovan Montgomery (5415 posts) - - Show Bio

All this DD killing/death penalty stuff? Since when does he kill so easy much less at all? This is Bendises fault isn't it?

If we're just talking DD's "main" rouges, Owl, Mr. Fear, Bullseye, Mr. Hyde, etc, then it wouldn't take to long, he could probably do it in the month. But if you through in others like Absorbing Man and others he's fought then Bats will have some real trouble.

DD on the other hand would make short work of Gothams "lessers" like Riddler, Penguin, Two-Face and that puppet guy, yes, Catwoman would probably "get" him, He could have trouble with the Joker but then he doesn't have the history Bats does so might just put him away quick so he can escape yet again. Killer Croc, Clayface and the like would be trouble but I'm confident DD could find ways of winning, maybe he'll find a conveniently placed sledge hammer ;P

It would take DD longer to "clean up" Gotham than it would take Bats in the Kitchen. But I would like to see the stories.

#25 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4601 posts) - - Show Bio

@donovan_montgomery:

I was just talking trash. I've never seen DD make sure someone got the death penalty, and to be 100% honest Daredevil told Punisher (when both + spidey teamed up) that he couldn't kill anybody.

PS

Do you like Mark Waid's run so far?

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#26 Posted by mightyrearranger (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

Dropping in to say I just pictured Bruce Wayne cooking with Gordon Ramsay yelling at him. Thank you for that. :)

#27 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

Dropping in to say I just pictured Bruce Wayne cooking with Gordon Ramsay yelling at him. Thank you for that. :)

that's what my intention was from the very beginning. :)

#28 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

DD fought Bruiser (who? yes but believe me he's strong) so I can see DD taking out Killer Croc, and the rest of the rouges. Clayface is the only one I see DD losing too and having to prep for on another fight.

I want to add that if DD was in Gotham Matt Murdoc would make sure all the villains got the death penalty.

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what could DD do to killer croc? or grundy? is he smart enough to deal with riddler?

#29 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@yung_ancient_one said:

DD fought Bruiser (who? yes but believe me he's strong) so I can see DD taking out Killer Croc, and the rest of the rouges. Clayface is the only one I see DD losing too and having to prep for on another fight.

I want to add that if DD was in Gotham Matt Murdoc would make sure all the villains got the death penalty.

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what could DD do to killer croc? or grundy? is he smart enough to deal with riddler?

The same thing he does to Mr Hyde or Tombstone. Also Matt is smart but more so he's a human lie detector, he could probably work out what Riddler was up to from the next block over.

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These are awesome

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#30 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@yung_ancient_one said:

DD fought Bruiser (who? yes but believe me he's strong) so I can see DD taking out Killer Croc, and the rest of the rouges. Clayface is the only one I see DD losing too and having to prep for on another fight.

I want to add that if DD was in Gotham Matt Murdoc would make sure all the villains got the death penalty.

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what could DD do to killer croc? or grundy? is he smart enough to deal with riddler?

The same thing he does to Mr Hyde or Tombstone. Also Matt is smart but more so he's a human lie detector, he could probably work out what Riddler was up to from the next block over.

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These are awesome

what does he do to them? (new to comics...just ordered the first volume of marvel nows daredevil) doesn't batman usually have to use gadgets to defeat croc and grundy? so im asking what would DD do?? does he have gadgets other than the billy club??

#31 Posted by Teerack (5325 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Batman takes care of all of DD's in one night, cleans up Hell's Kitchen and keeps it that way.s

In a single night.

Daredevil kills Joker, and locks up some other's, but he's used to patrolling a neighborhood, not a city. Not exactly something he can search entirely on foot. Aside from that, a lot of Batman's foes, Batman beats through tech and planning rather than brute force. Guys like Clayface, for example. While Daredevil's decent with prep normally, he's out of his element and doesn't have access to the kind of tech Batman does. Unless he calls in one of Batman's old sidekicks to help, I don't see him beating Clayface.

Because of all of Batman's great success cleaning up Gotham. /snickers.

#32 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

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#33 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

really? pray tell! I the help I can get

#34 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Well start with Frank Miller's Daredevil: Man Without Fear and read all of his run (including Born Again) after that you could read Kevin Smith's run, I really enjoyed it but I know not everybody did but you definitely have to read all of Bendis's run and thrn all of Brubakers, there just amazing.

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#35 Posted by G_Money_Christmas (881 posts) - - Show Bio

I think DD would have trouble in Gotham just because it's such a vast place. He's handled some pretty big villains so I think he could take on Croc and Grundy, not without great difficulty, but I think he could do it. Batman could definitely handle Hell's Kitchen. One wild card, I think would be Purple Man. Unless he is aware of him and has some tech to fight him, I think he'd have difficulty with him.

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

really? pray tell! I the help I can get

Check out Bendis' run and Miller's run. You can get the trades on Amazon for like $20 apiece. I say still keep on reading the Waid stuff if you want. I love it, so do a lot of people but there are those who hate it with a passion and will never have anything good to say about it. But yes, there are better places to get more of a sense of who he is. Waid's run doesn't go into origin too much.

#36 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32667 posts) - - Show Bio

I think DD would have trouble in Gotham just because it's such a vast place. He's handled some pretty big villains so I think he could take on Croc and Grundy, not without great difficulty, but I think he could do it. Batman could definitely handle Hell's Kitchen. One wild card, I think would be Purple Man. Unless he is aware of him and has some tech to fight him, I think he'd have difficulty with him.

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

really? pray tell! I the help I can get

Check out Bendis' run and Miller's run. You can get the trades on Amazon for like $20 apiece. I say still keep on reading the Waid stuff if you want. I love it, so do a lot of people but there are those who hate it with a passion and will never have anything good to say about it. But yes, there are better places to get more of a sense of who he is. Waid's run doesn't go into origin too much.

Me!

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#37 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@g_money_christmas said:

I think DD would have trouble in Gotham just because it's such a vast place. He's handled some pretty big villains so I think he could take on Croc and Grundy, not without great difficulty, but I think he could do it. Batman could definitely handle Hell's Kitchen. One wild card, I think would be Purple Man. Unless he is aware of him and has some tech to fight him, I think he'd have difficulty with him.

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

really? pray tell! I the help I can get

Check out Bendis' run and Miller's run. You can get the trades on Amazon for like $20 apiece. I say still keep on reading the Waid stuff if you want. I love it, so do a lot of people but there are those who hate it with a passion and will never have anything good to say about it. But yes, there are better places to get more of a sense of who he is. Waid's run doesn't go into origin too much.

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thanks for all the advice! the more I get into comics the more money I spend. and isn't purple man like marvels defacto joker?

#38 Posted by G_Money_Christmas (881 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@g_money_christmas said:

I think DD would have trouble in Gotham just because it's such a vast place. He's handled some pretty big villains so I think he could take on Croc and Grundy, not without great difficulty, but I think he could do it. Batman could definitely handle Hell's Kitchen. One wild card, I think would be Purple Man. Unless he is aware of him and has some tech to fight him, I think he'd have difficulty with him.

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: He's faster, more agile, more skilled and smarter than his opponents, he would ware them down and use his environment to his advantage.

There is better places to start reading DD than NOW! btw

really? pray tell! I the help I can get

Check out Bendis' run and Miller's run. You can get the trades on Amazon for like $20 apiece. I say still keep on reading the Waid stuff if you want. I love it, so do a lot of people but there are those who hate it with a passion and will never have anything good to say about it. But yes, there are better places to get more of a sense of who he is. Waid's run doesn't go into origin too much.

Me!

thanks for all the advice! the more I get into comics the more money I spend. and isn't purple man like marvels defacto joker?

No. He's not that big of a character. I had never even heard of him until I read Daredevil, the original Stan Lee ones I think.

#39 Edited by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, anyone in this thread that is going in heavy for Batman or Daredevil at the expense of the other hero is letting personal preference enter into it too much. They are both street level heroes that are basically interchangeable. I doubt much would change in either of their respective 'hoods were the other to step in.

#40 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4601 posts) - - Show Bio
@sog7dc said:

@yung_ancient_one said:

DD fought Bruiser (who? yes but believe me he's strong) so I can see DD taking out Killer Croc, and the rest of the rouges. Clayface is the only one I see DD losing too and having to prep for on another fight.

I want to add that if DD was in Gotham Matt Murdoc would make sure all the villains got the death penalty.

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what could DD do to killer croc? or grundy? is he smart enough to deal with riddler?

He will use his Speed as an advantage to avoid their attacks, and look to find a leverage against them. He would flip them over, and like Johnny A said wear them down and use the environment to help him and to hurt them.

Riddler you just have to figure out his riddles as far as I know, so I doubt a lawyer with his accolades would have too much trouble deciphering riddles.

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#41 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@yung_ancient_one:

I think you may be lowballing riddler. he's like the guy from saw. he'll put innocent lives in danger and kill them if you cant figure out his riddle. im asking if matt is that smart. I know he;s a human lie detector but is he smart?

#42 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

DD turns Joker into road kill. (not literally, but DD is willing to get FAR more brutal than Batman does) he then outmaneuvers Riddler, he's good at deciphering things because he's a lawyer as well as the super senses. He defeats all of the Bat-villains struggling the most against Bane, Croc and Ra's Al Ghul. He can beat Croc because he's managed to defeat/stalemate people of the same strength class. He could beat Bane and Ra's, not easily by any means but he's a slightly better fighter than Ra's and a better fighter than Bane.

Meanwhile, Batman cleans up Hells Kitchen struggling the most against Bullseye and Kingpin.

They're pretty even in my eyes, interchangeable with each other and not much would change if you switched them.

#43 Edited by Dark_Vengeance_ (14587 posts) - - Show Bio

@jj62 said:

DD turns Joker into road kill. (not literally, but DD is willing to get FAR more brutal than Batman does) he then outmaneuvers Riddler, he's good at deciphering things because he's a lawyer as well as the super senses. He defeats all of the Bat-villains struggling the most against Bane, Croc and Ra's Al Ghul. He can beat Croc because he's managed to defeat/stalemate people of the same strength class. He could beat Bane and Ra's, not easily by any means but he's a slightly better fighter than Ra's and a better fighter than Bane.

Meanwhile, Batman cleans up Hells Kitchen struggling the most against Bullseye and Kingpin.

They're pretty even in my eyes, interchangeable with each other and not much would change if you switched them.

I don't think so. Deadshot is a better marksman than Bullseye and Batman could easily take down the Kingpin.

#44 Edited by Dark_Vengeance_ (14587 posts) - - Show Bio

This will turn into a flame war. I can already see it.

#45 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkknightdetective: Deadshot IS NOT a better marksman than Bullseye. Bullseye is dead accurate with anything he can get in his hands.

I'm sorry dude, Batman wouldn't easily beat Kingpin. I think Bats would take it in the end, but he'd have a good fight.

#46 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Kingpin is physically superior to Batman. But Batman is martially superior to Kingpin, although Fisk is no slouch. Bats would win for sure, but saying it will be easy is just ignorant.

#47 Posted by comicace3 (3469 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would beat up most of the guys in hells kitchen. Daredevil would shut joker down, being more brutal than batman. He would be able to take out most of bat's rougues. Batman would clean up most of the Hell's Kitchen. Frankly I think he would have a better advantage with the tech he has. But I really believe not a lot would change.

Side note: I thought he was talking about Hell's Kitchen ( the actual show) for a second.

#48 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14587 posts) - - Show Bio

@jj62: Deadshot has shown the capability to tag speedsters, not Flash level but faster than the normal human eye can follow. Batman would beat Kingpin easily, if you look at the Batman vs Daredevil fight by K4tzman he said that the only advantage that DD had over Batman was the physical area. Batman could easily beat him with his gadgets or even in h2h. (I'm talking about Batman vs Kingpin just to clarify, not Batman vs DD) and just before somebody calls me a fanboy let me point out how DD is my favorite Marvel character and own Bendis' complete run and Waid's.

#49 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkknightdetective: I don't see how that makes him a better marksman. Bullseye can hit almost any target with anything you can put in his hands.

As for Batman/Kingpin, Kingpin is stronger than Batman. And has held his own with the likes of DD and Captain America, both of which are Batman-level martial artists. Batman is definitely a better fighter than Kingpin, but Fisk is no slouch and is slightly physically superior. Batman would win, but calling it easy is being ignorant.

#50 Edited by Yung ANcient One (4601 posts) - - Show Bio

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@yung_ancient_one:

I think you may be lowballing riddler. he's like the guy from saw. he'll put innocent lives in danger and kill them if you cant figure out his riddle. im asking if matt is that smart. I know he;s a human lie detector but is he smart?

Well he did graduate from an Ivy League School. Columbia Law if I am not mistaken.

I don't think so. Deadshot is a better marksman than Bullseye and Batman could easily take down the Kingpin.

Deadshot has tag a speedster, and Bullseye makes a paperclip into a deadly weapon.

This will turn into a flame war. I can already see it.

Doubt it.

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