#1 Edited by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey Viners,

This is the go-to discussion thread for the monthly feature! Come here if you want to provide feedback, make suggestions, ask questions, etc.

Thanks!

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#2 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, there will be a new "Does Batman Always Win? this Monday!

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#3 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently he beats everyone, even the Avengers just even when their movie was more popular. :V

#4 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:

Apparently he beats everyone, even the Avengers just even when their movie was more popular. :V

He definitely didn't win the CV Movie Awards :P
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#5 Posted by spinningbirdcake (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

You should write the next feature on Batman vs Geoff Johns.

#6 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Good, I need whatever small victories I can get.

#7 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Also I know who Bats if fighting now. Should be a fun read on Monday.

#8 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

He can beat everyone but Squirrel Girl.

Anyways, I like the "Does Batman Always Win?" threads. mostly when Batman wins.

#9 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

He can beat everyone but Squirrel Girl.

Anyways, I like the "Does Batman Always Win?" threads. mostly when Batman wins.

Thanks.  He technically hasn't won yet, though.  I said he'd stalemate Cap and lose to Wolverine.  Guess we'll see how this next one turns out on Monday :D 
 @Decoy Elite said:

Also I know who Bats if fighting now. Should be a fun read on Monday.


YOU KNOW NOTHING, SIR!
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#10 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Hee hee hee.

#11 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, he always wins

#12 Posted by batkevin74 (10428 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Possible Batman Always Wins: Superman, Flash, Snake Eyes, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (all four), Deadpool

#13 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by Nightflash (713 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman vs Iron Fist please

#15 Posted by Shika1Dude (111 posts) - - Show Bio

i think thats what makes Batman the superhero without powers, is that he will win and he will always wins....simply put, he is BATMAN

#16 Posted by TerryBogard2014 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightflash said:

Batman vs Iron Fist please

#17 Posted by JimTheSurfer (560 posts) - - Show Bio

No. No, no, no. I am tired of those fanboys, who are completely unobjective. There actually is a LOT of super heroes/villains, who could beat Batman.

#18 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@JimTheSurfer said:

No. No, no, no. I am tired of those fanboys, who are completely unobjective. There actually is a LOT of super heroes/villains, who could beat Batman.

Of course, but that doesn't make it any less interesting to think about what would happen if he took on characters he doesn't know. 
 
Not sure if you've seen the segment at all, so here's the intro of the latest edition: 
 

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman  always wins. Why? Because he's Batman ! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe. 
 

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#19 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

#20 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman vs Moon Knight, let's see if Batman is really a better combatant than his Marvel "rip off".

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

Eh, I'm pretty sure Iron Man stomps Batman in a random encounter.

#21 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

Batman vs Moon Knight, let's see if Batman is really a better combatant than his Marvel "rip off".

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

Eh, I'm pretty sure Iron Man stomps Batman in a random encounter.

I really don't think it would be so clear cut. Gadgets that disrupt electronics are standard fare for Batman, and breaching the helmet and compromising vision is pretty easy to do. If Batman were blindsided, yeah, it's done. But Stark tends to be loud, and Batman is the stealthy one.

#22 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17615 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n:How many of these have you done so far?

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#24 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222: Eh, Iron Man is used to dealing with stuff meant to screw up his suits and really he can only be kept down by something like that for a few minutes at best(and that's if the person has personal info on how his armor works).

Start is loud because he doesn't need to be sneaky, although he does have his stealth suit if he needed to be sneaky after all.

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#26 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

Batman vs Moon Knight, let's see if Batman is really a better combatant than his Marvel "rip off".

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

Eh, I'm pretty sure Iron Man stomps Batman in a random encounter.

I'm not going to get into a debate about this on here, but the fact that we clearly disagree just further demonstrates why it would be a good one to do.

#27 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222: I guess, but I think Bats would at least need to be given powerful equipment to make it fair.

#28 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

@serpent222: I guess, but I think Bats would at least need to be given powerful equipment to make it fair.

Well, the alternative is to compromise Iron Man's equipment to a lower level, which I think is perfectly feasible.

#29 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222 said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@serpent222: I guess, but I think Bats would at least need to be given powerful equipment to make it fair.

Well, the alternative is to compromise Iron Man's equipment to a lower level, which I think is perfectly feasible.

True, that could work.

#30 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@serpent222 said:

@Decoy Elite said:

Batman vs Moon Knight, let's see if Batman is really a better combatant than his Marvel "rip off".

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

Eh, I'm pretty sure Iron Man stomps Batman in a random encounter.

I'm not going to get into a debate about this on here, but the fact that we clearly disagree just further demonstrates why it would be a good one to do.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@k4tzm4n:How many of these have you done so far?

Only 3!

Cool Id like to see one with Doom.

Sorry dudes, but neither of those are street level characters.  Additionally, I wouldn't consider myself an expert on either, so I wouldn't feel qualified doing those proper justice. 
 
Moon Knight is a possibility, though truthfully I can't think of a single advantage Marc holds over him. Batman is indeed smarter, more skilled, has endured similar pain tolerance feats and has a greater variety of gear. I'd say Marc would require his carbonadium armor to make things more interesting simply because it would keep him in the game longer.
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#31 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: D'oh! Forgot about the street level part. Taskmaster would be an interesting match up. I've always heard of comparisons between Punisher and him too, so that could be a good one.

#32 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Eh, I'll think of a better fitting character. Maybe.

I probably won't.

#33 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32912 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: Batman VS Doc Savage?
#34 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

AHAHAHAHAH! Just got it!

Deadzone vs Batman, you know you want to.

#35 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17615 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n:Okay

I agree Punisher would be an interesting one how about Daredevil?

#36 Edited by Mucklefluga (2525 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Vs Moon Knight!

Batman Vs Spidey!

Batman Vs Rex (From Invincible)!

Batman Vs Hawkeye!

Batman Vs Gambit!

#37 Posted by jashro44 (19888 posts) - - Show Bio

I think either batman vs daredevil or batman vs gambit would be the best ones personally.

#38 Posted by roboadmiral (538 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil, Gambit, and Hawkeye would all be cool fights.

#39 Posted by butters911 (251 posts) - - Show Bio

Vs Spidey

Vs Bullseye

Vs Doc Ock

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#41 Posted by Zyrok (37 posts) - - Show Bio

I see no one payed attention to "non-DC". How about something other than Marvel?

My favorite would be Batman Vs Ninjak. Maybe Batman has more skill, but Ninjak clearly goes farther in fights.

Do this, Katzman!

#42 Posted by greenlucario (210 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: Second that, Batman vs. Moon Knight! Finally would get an objective look at that fight.

#43 Edited by MuyJingo (1577 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman vs Daredevil would be very interesting.

Also Batman vs TMNT

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

I second this, as strongly as possible. While Iron man has better weapons and flight/strength, I think it would be very entertaining to see how Batman's strategy of elusiveness + many gadgets would hold up. I don't think it would be a stomp as many people say.

@k4tzm4n said:

Sorry dudes, but neither of those are street level characters. Additionally, I wouldn't consider myself an expert on either, so I wouldn't feel qualified doing those proper justice.

How is Captain America, leader of the Avengers a street level character, while Iron man is not?

Also, why does the suggestion for who he goes up against have to be non-DC?

If this is going to be an ongoing feature, would it be possible to define what Batman carries as standard equipment? I've already seen arguments about whether or not he would have this or that, and I think it would make the articles more interesting. If we know that every time Batman goes out he has magnets, EMP devices, a way to signal bats, smoke bombs, or whatever, then there isn't discussion about it. It's pretty important given the random encounter angle.

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#44 Posted by desmond006 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

off the top of my head bullseye, gambit, cyclops, punisher. I think batman vs iron would be a stomp for ironman.

#45 Posted by desmond006 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: would you take suggestions for these battles if they are batman vs an alternate version of a character? Such as a different era like grey hulk or alternate reality like ultimate marvel.

#46 Posted by .Longshot. (5264 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd like to see how Batman stacks up against Daredevil.

#47 Edited by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zyrok said:

I see no one payed attention to "non-DC". How about something other than Marvel?

My favorite would be Batman Vs Ninjak. Maybe Batman has more skill, but Ninjak clearly goes farther in fights.

Do this, Katzman!

<3 Ninjak! Maybe even Bloodshot! 
 
@MuyJingo said:

Batman vs Daredevil would be very interesting.

Also Batman vs TMNT

@serpent222 said:

I would like to see what to me is the most obvious one: Batman vs. Iron man.

I second this, as strongly as possible. While Iron man has better weapons and flight/strength, I think it would be very entertaining to see how Batman's strategy of elusiveness + many gadgets would hold up. I don't think it would be a stomp as many people say.

@k4tzm4n said:

Sorry dudes, but neither of those are street level characters. Additionally, I wouldn't consider myself an expert on either, so I wouldn't feel qualified doing those proper justice.

How is Captain America, leader of the Avengers a street level character, while Iron man is not?

Also, why does the suggestion for who he goes up against have to be non-DC?

If this is going to be an ongoing feature, would it be possible to define what Batman carries as standard equipment? I've already seen arguments about whether or not he would have this or that, and I think it would make the articles more interesting. If we know that every time Batman goes out he has magnets, EMP devices, a way to signal bats, smoke bombs, or whatever, then there isn't discussion about it. It's pretty important given the random encounter angle.


Physical stats and powers place him in an entirely different weight class. 
 
Everything he has in his belt and cowl is standard gear. It's just a matter of his morals determining if he'll use any at all. The signal to call upon bats isn't applicable because this takes place in an unpopulated city. 
 
@desmond006 said:

off the top of my head bullseye, gambit, cyclops, punisher. I think batman vs iron would be a stomp for ironman.


All good suggestions! 
 
@desmond006 said:

@k4tzm4n: would you take suggestions for these battles if they are batman vs an alternate version of a character? Such as a different era like grey hulk or alternate reality like ultimate marvel.

That's certainly a possibility if the version is drastically different. 
 
@.Longshot. said:

I'd like to see how Batman stacks up against Daredevil.

And you might see it happen ;) 
 
@Decoy Elite  said: 

AHAHAHAHAH! Just got it!

Deadzone vs Batman, you know you want to.

LOL. 
 
@mrdecepticonleader  said: 

@k4tzm4n:Okay

I agree Punisher would be an interesting one how about Daredevil?

They're both definitely options. 
 
@Mucklefluga  said: 

Batman Vs Moon Knight!

Batman Vs Spidey!

Batman Vs Rex (From Invincible)!

Batman Vs Hawkeye!

Batman Vs Gambit!

Good suggestions! 
 
@roboadmiral  said: 

Daredevil, Gambit, and Hawkeye would all be cool fights.

Agreed! 
 
@butters911  said: 

Vs Spidey

Vs Bullseye

Vs Doc Ock

Bullseye could definitely be fun. 
 
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek  said: 

Batman and Damian Wayne vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Batman vs. Daredevil

Batman vs. Taskmaster

Batman vs. Predator

Batman vs. Bullseye

Bloodlusted Batman vs. Jason ToddDamian WayneDick Grayson, and Tim Drake

Excellent suggestions. 
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#48 Edited by MuyJingo (1577 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

How is Captain America, leader of the Avengers a street level character, while Iron man is not?

Also, why does the suggestion for who he goes up against have to be non-DC?

If this is going to be an ongoing feature, would it be possible to define what Batman carries as standard equipment? I've already seen arguments about whether or not he would have this or that, and I think it would make the articles more interesting. If we know that every time Batman goes out he has magnets, EMP devices, a way to signal bats, smoke bombs, or whatever, then there isn't discussion about it. It's pretty important given the random encounter angle.


Physical stats and powers place him in an entirely different weight class.

Everything he has in his belt and cowl is standard gear. It's just a matter of his morals determining if he'll use any at all. The signal to call upon bats isn't applicable because this takes place in an unpopulated city.

K4tzm4n, hold up. You actually didn't address any of my questions.

I didn't ask about weight classes, I asked how Captain America is a street level character as leader of the Avengers, while Iron man is not.

As for Iron man being in a different weight class, the last 2 matches have been against Wolverine, who is super human with a healing factor and adamantium skeleton, and Black Panther who is the King of The Dead, and is in a higher weight class than even Iron man.

Let me put it this way. If it is reasonable that Black Panther could take Iron man, then it should be reasonable for Batman to at least have a chance. Even if you think it is a stomp, you can write it that way as long as you justify it.

More importantly, if enough people request it, will you do it despite your opinion that its not anywhere near a fair match?

I also asked if you could maybe standardize Batman's equipment for these features, as I think that would make sense and why the opponents have to be non DC.

Also, the call to signal bats has nothing to do with whether or not a city is unpopulated. Indeed, if the city is unpopulated there are more likely to be bats.....

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#49 Posted by jashro44 (19888 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo: Black panther and wolverine cannot shrug nukes off casually like iron man can. There powerful but physically they are only a bit ahead of peak human. Iron man is class 100. Any class 100 is not street level. Iron man would stomp batman in a random....

#50 Edited by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio
@MuyJingo said:

@k4tzm4n said:

How is Captain America, leader of the Avengers a street level character, while Iron man is not?

Also, why does the suggestion for who he goes up against have to be non-DC?

If this is going to be an ongoing feature, would it be possible to define what Batman carries as standard equipment? I've already seen arguments about whether or not he would have this or that, and I think it would make the articles more interesting. If we know that every time Batman goes out he has magnets, EMP devices, a way to signal bats, smoke bombs, or whatever, then there isn't discussion about it. It's pretty important given the random encounter angle.


Physical stats and powers place him in an entirely different weight class.

Everything he has in his belt and cowl is standard gear. It's just a matter of his morals determining if he'll use any at all. The signal to call upon bats isn't applicable because this takes place in an unpopulated city.

K4tzm4n, hold up. You actually didn't address any of my questions.

I didn't ask about weight classes, I asked how Captain America is a street level character as leader of the Avengers, while Iron man is not.

As for Iron man being in a different weight class, the last 2 matches have been against Wolverine, who is super human with a healing factor and adamantium skeleton, and Black Panther who is the King of The Dead, and is in a higher weight class than even Iron man.

Let me put it this way. If it is reasonable that Black Panther could take Iron man, then it should be reasonable for Batman to at least have a chance. Even if you think it is a stomp, you can write it that way as long as you justify it.

More importantly, if enough people request it, will you do it despite your opinion that its not anywhere near a fair match?

I also asked if you could maybe standardize Batman's equipment for these features, as I think that would make sense and why the opponents have to be non DC.

Also, the call to signal bats has nothing to do with whether or not a city is unpopulated. Indeed, if the city is unpopulated there are more likely to be bats.....

I was in a rush.  Here we go: 
 
  • I consider the upper limit of street level to be roughly around Spider-Man's physicals. This isn't a term carved in stone, but it's what I use to qualify it. Captain America is well under those levels. Iron Man is well above them. As of right now, T'Challa has done nothing to prove he's near Spider-Man's physicals yet, either.
  • Iron Man can fly at absurd speeds, is durable enough to withstand a nuke, and has the strength to slug it out with Hulk. He's not street level at all.
  • Despite this, could it be an interesting match? Absolutely. Iron Man isn't a bloodlusted fellow so he won't obliterate Wayne, but it's a massssssssssssive uphill struggle for Stark, not to mention Tony is immune to EMP.  Wayne would need prep.  My segment doesn't include prep.
  • Simply put, my two rules are they must be street level and they cannot be DC.  Iron Man doesn't fall under that category, nor do I consider myself a qualified expert on the character, so I don't believe I'd so him justice. There are so many more matches I want to do and I'm sorry to inform you Iron Man isn't one of them.
  • See my latest reply in Batman vs Black Panther for what I roughly consider to be Batman's standard gear.
  • I clearly meant unpopulated as in all forms of life when I used it there. They're the only living creatures in the city. Also, Batman has used it (IIRC) only once, and it was to elude authorities (Year One). I see no logical reason how using it in a one vs one would be justified here.
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