Bad Writing

Anybody care to give me some examples of really bad writing in a comic book? (Don't mention Spider-Man vs Firelord, I already have that one, I need others).

Deathstroke taking Kyle Rayner's ring away from him...

any of the current Supergirl arc

M

Countdown to Final Crisis, Titans East Special #1 and Trials of Shazam have all been heavily criticized. Haven't read them though. :P

/CG

Emma Frost using her telepathy in diamond form, even though it's been said multiple times that she cannot. Pixelized made a thread about it recently.

Does senseless retcons count? Then DC has lots. :P

/CG

That's all good stuff. But I mean stuff referring to powers and fighting more then arcs.

Methos says:

"Deathstroke taking Kyle Rayner's ring away from him...M"

He didn't take it, he had a battle of wills while they were both in contact with the ring. I personally don't think it was bad writing and I gave pretty good support for my opinion in another thread.
Post Edited:2008-05-18 17:07:16

TheCleverGuy says:

"Does senseless retcons count? Then DC has lots. :P /CG"

LoL, I already have what I need but I know DC has lots. That's why- I'm going to stop because I can make a nice fat joke about it. LoL.

Jeph Loebs recent Wolverine arc.

This review sums it up really good: http://www.thexaxis.com/wolverine/wolverine55.htm

And Loeb's collection of people with wolf-like powers descended from wolves includes Feral (cat), Thornn (cat) and Sasquatch (magical creature). Hey, they've got fur, right? That's close enough. That's good enough for Jeph Loeb and Axel Alonso, and it'll damn well be good enough for you, oh paying customer. Dog, cat, sasquatch, whatever. They're close enough if you screw up your eyes and squint real hard.

Gambit's agility saving him from Gladiator, then turning around and blasting him of his feet with his deck of cards.

Even though it doesn't bother me very much (because the result has been great so far, apparently), Parallax was retconned to be a "yellow space-bug" instead of an evil Hal Jordan. :D

/CG

Batman surviving being attacked by Superman in the Watchtower. If Superman really took Bats by surprise with thee intention of killing him, he would.

Mary Marvel: Originally good, then evil by Black Adam's power, then good again, then accepting her evil powers again from Darkseid (who should never be trusted). Ugh. x_X

/CG

Black Widow beating Wonderman in Contest of Champions II

Batman clotheslining Kid Flash in Teen Titans Y1 #3

Robin hurting Wonder Woman in Teen Titans Y1 #3

Penance knocking She-Hulk unconcious but barely scratching Doc Samson.

The Vision making the Sentry believe he is the Void and scaring him off in Secret Invasion #2

Storm scratching Emma Frost's diamond skin with a bundle of straw

Franklin Richards being Galactus and Iron Man hurting a Celestial in Earth X

The Phoenix saying it always had a thing for the Summers family in "What if Vulcan was the Phoenix".

Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor.

Venom (Mac Gargan) getting owned by Swordsman.

Gloom says:

"Emma Frost using her telepathy in diamond form, even though it's been said multiple times that she cannot. Pixelized made a thread about it recently."

Awww thank you dear, you said it so i didnt have to. lol

Midnight Lantern says:

"Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor."

With how much Venom's tongue is actually outside his mouth, I'm not surprised. LoL xD

/CG

Midnight Lantern says:

"Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor. Venom (Mac Gargan) getting owned by Swordsman. "

How is that not believeable?

Vance Astro says:

"Midnight Lantern says:

"Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor. Venom (Mac Gargan) getting owned by Swordsman. "

How is that not believeable?"

Well, Venom (when is in his fight with Namor) had the upperhand. He was bigger, stronger, had unlimited webs and a piece of thunderbolts tech that let him suck the water out of the air or something like that......To top it off, Namor could'nt even fly due to the fact, that Venom had already ripped his wings off his feet.

And out of no where, Namor jumps up miraculously and rips his tounge out?

I did'nt get it.

Then with Swordsman, Venom stood there and let the guy hit him. Literally, He stood there and basically said "C'mon give me your best shot". Swordsman stabbed with his sword, Venom laughed "Haha, You think your sword can hurt me? Your pathetic" something or other like that.

And Swordsman eletricutes him. Why did'nt Venom just websling the sword away and send a punch at him hard enough to break all the bones in his face?

It's ridiculous.

Midnight Lantern says:

"Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor. Venom (Mac Gargan) getting owned by Swordsman. "

Gargan's a retard. It's not that hard for a competent super hero to beat him.

Midnight Lantern says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Midnight Lantern says:

"Venom (Mac Gargan) getting his tounge ripped out by Namor. Venom (Mac Gargan) getting owned by Swordsman. "

How is that not believeable?"

Well, Venom (when is in his fight with Namor) had the upperhand. He was bigger, stronger, had unlimited webs and a piece of thunderbolts tech that let him suck the water out of the air or something like that......To top it off, Namor could'nt even fly due to the fact, that Venom had already ripped his wings off his feet. And out of no where, Namor jumps up miraculously and rips his tounge out? I did'nt get it. Then with Swordsman, Venom stood there and let the guy hit him. Literally, He stood there and basically said "C'mon give me your best shot". Swordsman stabbed with his sword, Venom laughed "Haha, You think your sword can hurt me? Your pathetic" something or other like that. And Swordsman eletricutes him. Why did'nt Venom just websling the sword away and send a punch at him hard enough to break all the bones in his face? It's ridiculous."

This is why you think it's ridiculous...because you making up stuff.Venom is nowhere near Namor's strenght level.

-Namor not being able to fly doesn't make him any weaker.

-Venom underestimated Swordsman and didn't expect him to hurt him but ended up screaming. It's perfectly logical.
Post Edited:2008-05-18 18:21:00

Ebony Bishop says:

"One More Day?"

HELL YES

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Ebony Bishop says:

"One More Day?"

Sort of.

pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day?

One More Day?

Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I like anything involving Shazam and I'm actually more of a Marvel guy myself.

Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it

I dont get it

pixelized says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it"

Mary jane and Peter no longer know that they are married to eachother, or, at least peter doesn't

Vance Astro says:

"Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I like anything involving Shazam and I'm actually more of a Marvel guy myself."

I haven't read it, but I think many Captain Marvel fans felt insulted or attacked by the concept of Billy Batson being the next Rock of Eternity guardian and Freddy Freeman the new Captain Marvel/Shazam. They probably didn't want things to change.

/CG

Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually enjoyed the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it.

I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!

Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it"

Mary jane and Peter no longer know that they are married to eachother, or, at least peter doesn't"

How long do you think that will go on.You honestly think Marvel is going to let MJ exist for so long without ever encountering Peter again? Without him she has no point of existing.

Vance Astro says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it"

Mary jane and Peter no longer know that they are married to eachother, or, at least peter doesn't"

How long do you think that will go on.You honestly think Marvel is going to let MJ exist for so long without ever encountering Peter again? Without him she has no point of existing."

i know, but the whole arc is just pointless

It's not that the idea was bad, it's that the execution was sloppy. How are we supposed to believe that Peter Parker, the moral compass of the Marvel Universe, would make a deal with the devil? I mean, come on! Could they not have done it better with Loki, who had an actual grudge against Spidey?

And it's not like their marriage was anything special! They were just two regular people in love! There are better marriages even in the same Universe!

It's just sloppy writing.

Assimilation says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it"

Mary jane and Peter no longer know that they are married to eachother, or, at least peter doesn't"

How long do you think that will go on.You honestly think Marvel is going to let MJ exist for so long without ever encountering Peter again? Without him she has no point of existing."

i know, but the whole arc is just pointless"

No it's not pointless.They retconned Spider-man so he can get back to being Spider-man and not the brooding emo b#tch who is significantly stronger that he was before OMD.

Vance Astro says:

"Assimilation says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"Assimilation says:

"pixelized says:

"I dont get it"

Have you read one more day? "

never heard of it"

Mary jane and Peter no longer know that they are married to eachother, or, at least peter doesn't"

How long do you think that will go on.You honestly think Marvel is going to let MJ exist for so long without ever encountering Peter again? Without him she has no point of existing."

i know, but the whole arc is just pointless"

No it's not pointless.They retconned Spider-man so he can get back to being Spider-man and not the brooding emo b#tch who is significantly stronger that he was before OMD."

true, but i still just find it so... i don't know... badly thought out

Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I tend more towards DC, but I liked Trials of Shazam. OMD on the other hand stopped me reading Spider-man, I haven't read 616 Spidey since.

Ebony Bishop says:

"Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I tend more towards DC, but I liked Trials of Shazam. OMD on the other hand stopped me reading Spider-man, I haven't read 616 Spidey since."

That's a shame, because as bad as OMD was, BND is great!"

They ended the Spider-man I was reading, I wasn't after a new one.

Vance Astro says:

"No it's not pointless.They retconned Spider-man so he can get back to being Spider-man and not the brooding emo b#tch who is significantly stronger that he was before OMD."

They could have done that without the stinkfest that was OMD.

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I tend more towards DC, but I liked Trials of Shazam. OMD on the other hand stopped me reading Spider-man, I haven't read 616 Spidey since."

That's a shame, because as bad as OMD was, BND is great!

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Ebony Bishop says:

"Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Ebony Bishop says:

"Actually, is it because I'm a Marvel boy that I actually *enjoyed* the Trials of Shazam? That totally felt like a Marvel book, and I really got into it. I mean, I can see why it pissed off the DC fanboys, but as a lifelong Marvelite, it was good stuff!"

I tend more towards DC, but I liked Trials of Shazam. OMD on the other hand stopped me reading Spider-man, I haven't read 616 Spidey since."

That's a shame, because as bad as OMD was, BND is great!"

They ended the Spider-man I was reading, I wasn't after a new one. Vance Astro says:

"No it's not pointless.They retconned Spider-man so he can get back to being Spider-man and not the brooding emo b#tch who is significantly stronger that he was before OMD."

They could have done that without the stinkfest that was OMD. "

Yes OMD was writin badly...but something good came out of it.

Vance Astro says:

"Yes OMD was writin badly...but something good came out of it. "

yeah

Assimilation says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Yes OMD was writin badly...but something good came out of it. "

yeah"

I wouldn't know, I have no intention of reading Spidey until either Quesada leaves Marvel (or at least apologizes and admits the whole thing was a mess) or they put his continuity right.

I'm a very petty guy.

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Assimilation says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Yes OMD was writin badly...but something good came out of it. "

yeah"

I wouldn't know, I have no intention of reading Spidey until either Quesada leaves Marvel (or at least apologizes and admits the whole thing was a mess) or they put his continuity right. I'm a *very* petty guy."

Well Marvel will continue to sell more comics than DC whether you read Spidey or not...Quesada's not worried.

Vance Astro says:

"Well Marvel will continue to sell more comics than DC whether you read Spidey or not...Quesada's not worried."

That doesn't bother me, I have lots of grudges with people who don't know who I am. There's also Tim Story for making Galactus a cloud and Oasis for making annoying music. It isn't just famous people either, I have a long running fued with a guy at work that he doesn't know about either.

No one on the Vine has made my list though (or have they?)

It'd be funny if the guy at work has a secret bloodfued (a fued's not a fued unless it's a bloodfued) with you that you don't know about.

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"(or have they?)"

Assimilation says:

"Cosmic Sentinel says:

"(or have they?)"

done done done
Post Edited:2008-05-18 19:47:14"

lmao

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Well Marvel will continue to sell more comics than DC whether you read Spidey or not...Quesada's not worried."

That doesn't bother me, I have lots of grudges with people who don't know who I am. There's also Tim Story for making Galactus a cloud and Oasis for making annoying music. It isn't just famous people either, I have a long running fued with a guy at work that he doesn't know about either.

No one on the Vine has made my list though (or have they?)"

Galactus was probably a cloud because he had so little screen time, besides, who said he's not a cloud in Earth-616? It's just how humans perceive him that is shown. ;)

/CG

Buckshot says:

"It'd be funny if the guy at work has a secret bloodfued (a fued's not a fued unless it's a bloodfued) with you that you don't know about."

In my mind he does, but that might be my paranoia talking.

@CG: there is space on my list for people who try to argue my reasoning.

Buckshot says:

"It'd be funny if the guy at work has a secret bloodfued (a fued's not a fued unless it's a bloodfued) with you that you don't know about."

he probably does