Avengers or Man of Steel?

What a good idea for a thread.

Man of Steel for me. I'm a kid from the early 90s, I never had those epic moments of seeing Superman for the first time. And when I finally did, he was a deadbeat stalker dad. MOS was for me what Batman Begins was for Batfans after Batman and Robin. MOS was for me what Superman the Movie was for people in my parent's generation. MOS, for me, made me believe a man could fly. It was exactly - exactly - what I wanted from a Superman film.

I even tested myself, to see if I was getting absorbed in the hype. Avengers was awesome, I saw it three times in theaters, but it got a bit more boring after each viewing, and now I can't sit through the whole thing without skipping to the relevant scenes. Man of Steel went through the same test, and it was great in theaters. But now, I can, and do, still watch it over and over on Bluray, and it actually got better with repeated viewings. It's not a perfect movie by any means, and I'm not going to pretend it is. But it is something special to me, and I couldn't have asked for a better take on Superman.

Well, I've often used that as a point against The Avengers. Movies, even part of franchises, should stand on their own. You shouldn't HAVE to see 5 other movies to understand the characters in The Avengers. Based on box-office numbers, a lot of people did see Avengers that didn't see Cap America or Iron Man. I do admit, I am baffled how most MOS fans can still admit the film has flaws. Avengers fans can't. I may be steroe-typing, but it seems on here, any criticism of Marvel is met with allegations that DC fans are "butt-hurt" or "jealous". Followed by a gif some guy dancing, like that ends all the debate.

Avengers. MOS is a terrible movie.

@manwhohaseverything: Well, isn't it common for comic books to have the main characters be established as who they are in their own solo books, and the main conflict when they get into team books be seeing how those aforementioned personalities jive together? Granted, I am generalizing because small characters get major characterization in team books, but I'm mainly talking about superstars like a Captain America or Iron Man here. With the movie thing, it is om both sides really. You have people whom are overtly loyal to Marvel(Like Kevin Fiege really cares about them) whom feel proud of the amount of movie s Marvel has shelled out In Comparison To Wb, and overtly DC fans whom will profess to their last breath the quality over quantity principles with their favored movies.

Yes, but I'm assuming both Marvel and WB went their movies to be seen by non-comic readers also. Let's take the Nolan films. I have friends that saw TDK, that did not see Batman Begins. And that was okay, you didn't need to see Batman Begins to get the main points TDK. Without seeing Cap TFA, I'm not so sure too many Avenger film-goers would have understood why Loki wanted the cube so badly.

Even as a DC fan, I roll my eyes when one bring out "Quality over Quanity" The DC based films, even after Shumacher's mess don't have a higher % of quality films than Marvel does. I've not done the math, but it seems I like about 50% of both companies films, am indifferent to 25% of them, and hate 25% of them. Due to Marvel's quantity of films, that just means they've given me more to like and more to dislike. At the end of the day, I get into threads like this...no joke..because I feel a need to correct people that think Superman destroyed Metropolis in his fight with Zod. While I get tired of doing that, I can't help it. :) Folks. The World Engine did most of the damage to Metropolis. All Zod and Clark did was smash up a few empty buildings. (Okay..like 6 or 7, so maybe more than a few.)

OK to quote the battle forum, Avengers in an effortless curbstomp, lol.

Avengers easily

Man of steel was a ok movie and and that seemed put together just to do another reboot. Man of steel just felt rushed and I still dont understand why superman didnt save his dad Kent when he could have easily. Too many plot holes for me.

@manwhohaseverything:

You were right about Frozen's thread being stupid, but I wonder if you actually watched MOS. I wonder sometimes how many folks on the Vine did. They keep making the same invalid points over and over..they get corrected. (Though they never acknowledge that part.) Then come back a month later and make the same invalid points.

How are subjective statements invalid? I didn't like the films score.. nothing invalid about that. I think the way certain scenes panned out was dumb.. nothing wrong with that.

Also, trust me, I have much better things to do than tactically re-post "invalid" points months in advance, especially if someone had convinced me I'm wrong about them. But seeing as everything I said is subjective.. I don't know where you're getting at.

I did watch the film, btw. In IMAX no less. Funnily enough I do watch a film before I point out critical plot points or music I don't like.

People get too distracted by Henry Cavil's charm to properly count how many buildings he actually destroyed :)

Heh, it's a poll between my favorite super-hero movie VS my least-favorite.

I choose The Avengers without a second thought.

No, the invalid points are things like "Superman killed hundreds of people in his fight with Zod, and only cared when a family of 4 got threatened." That is simply not true. It's not subjective, it's simply wrong. Saying Lois and Clark "barely knew" each other is also wrong. If you go back, you'll see I replied to your points in the body of your original post. Maybe I made a mistake by not putting them in bold type. That's why the comment about wondering if you saw the film, some of the things are just factually wrong. Now, FWIW: I didn't like the tornado scene much, and the characterization of PA Kent is MOS's most serious flaw IMHO, but the tornado scene did not go down the way you described it.

I enjoyed Avengers much more. I've seen the movie a dozen times and can't think of any time during the movie I felt uninterested.

During MOS of though, one of the issues I had with the movie was how the balance between the storyline and the action was handled. The movie has a pretty slow start and we don't get any real action scene until the first fight in Smallville, but the problem here is that once the action starts it doesn't really stop. Once Superman starts fighting there's never really a time to breath, and when we got to the final fight between Superman and Zod I was burned out from all of the fighting and destruction.

You're going to great lengths to shove your own interpretations down my throat, aren't you?

They would have killed hundreds in their fight, knocking buildings apart like that. Superman should have been trying to kill him a long time before he did, even if he wouldn't have been able to right away.

They didn't know eachother too well IIRC. Hadn't they only met briefly, talked for a bit, but ultimately had their relationship moments missed amongst all the fighting? Maybe they knew each other growing up and I can't remember or something. Just don't remember them knowing each other well at all and the whole thing seeming forced.

I think the tornado scene was unnecessary and forced to be honest, but that's just my view.

Avengers.

They're about even.. Again