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@donfelipe: All I was thinking after Quintin, slammed his fist on the table was "aaannd he is back to hating Oliver." Lol

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Anyone else notice McGregor Syndrome? The same illness Nora and Alfred have in Batman and Robin.

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I'm tired of the Sara and Ollie thing. We can all see the real chemistry is between Sara and Felicity...

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#55 the_stegman  Moderator

I'm tired of the Sara and Ollie thing. We can all see the real chemistry is between Sara and Felicity...

Felicity can make that canary sing ;)

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#56  Edited By DonFelipe

@guardiandevil83 said:

@donfelipe: All I was thinking after Quintin, slammed his fist on the table was "aaannd he is back to hating Oliver." Lol

What a terrible idea to bring Ollie to the family dinner!

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@fallschirmjager said:

Great episode IMO. The character development was awesome.

Agreed. I had a huge smirk on my face when ollie owned Laurel. hell I can even say that I was cheering.

probably the best acting either of them has done too.

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I'm sorry, but that episode was a waste of 50 mins. Full of, "Umm, what?" and "That makes no sense". I am assuming that was the, tie all loose ties that aren't Main plot driven. Thea sees Ollie and moira talking. Moira has a nice smile on her face, fake, but still a smile. She doesn't storm off. But somehow Thea picks up on tension... Umm, What?

Sara tells Ollie to go with her to a Family diner, trying to get the fam back together, even though he played a HUGE role in breaking it up? That makes no sense.

Felicity uploads the same virus that made their servers crash, back into clock kings cell Phone. Ok, that's fine. Oh wait, that virus NOW also turns his phone into a mini shock grenade with KO abilities... Ummm what? When he uploaded it to the entire setup at the base, that would have set off a much bigger blast.

There are a few more gripes. But those irked me. The show gets a pass when it delivers bad episodes for some reason. Looking forward to next episode of course.

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@sachmoo: I think this was just an episode just to build up the characters development, but that ending tho

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#61  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@sachmoo:

Moira has a nice smile on her face, fake, but still a smile. She doesn't storm off. But somehow Thea picks up on tension... Umm, What?

Not eveything needs to be shown on the sceen. The lack of interactions between them and how they conduct themselves when they do meet should be enough for someone in their family to pick up on.

Sara tells Ollie to go with her to a Family diner, trying to get the fam back together, even though he played a HUGE role in breaking it up? That makes no sense.

Sara literally explained why she wanted Oliver to go with her.

Felicity uploads the same virus that made their servers crash, back into clock kings cell Phone. Ok, that's fine. Oh wait, that virus NOW also turns his phone into a mini shock grenade with KO abilities... Ummm what? When he uploaded it to the entire setup at the base, that would have set off a much bigger blast.

Key difference: those computers and servers weren't on Felicity's body. If she decided to have a tower pressed against her chest when the virus was uploaded, odds are it would have knocked her out, too.

As for the episode being a "waste" of 50 minutes, I can't help but strongly disagree. It gave Felicty more depth, made huge strides with Laurel/Sara, and finally moved forward with Slade's plan. If you don't like it, that's fine, but please don't pretend everyone has to agree with you by saying this was a "bad episode that got a pass."

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A pleasure to meet you.. Mr Queen..

A evil grin.

Slap.. now that's a hard handshake..

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@heraldofganthet: nice catch. wondering who else saw that.

Honestly I feel like Sarah is being set up to die, which sucks. Because the writers have either destined Ollie with Laurel or Felicity.

>Slade will probably do the "save one" thing from the island and shoot Sarah in the head

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@fallschirmjager: Amell does pretty decent work throughout in my opinion. Look at the differences in personality between his pre and post island self. Especially first season, dude was a bigger jerk then he is now in both instances. Goofy as hell as a greenhorn, and focused solely on his mission (which he wasn't even doing right) as the hood. He has opened up more and it shows. Decent acting if I say so.

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#65  Edited By Sachmoo

@k4tzm4n:

Not eveything needs to be shown on the sceen. The lack of interactions between them should be enough for someone in the family to pick up on

Agreed. But at least give us an indication of off screen stuff when it pertains to plot points. She could have said, something to the effect of, "You've been distant from mom lately". I know she said it later in the episode, but that first altercation was just flat.

Sara literally explained why she wanted Oliver to go with her.

Yes i know that. Cause her last time with Laurel went bad. But still, think to yourself, does that make ANY sense for Ollie to be there? He is gonna be there for emotional support in case it goes awry, even though he ripped the family apart? What!? At one point or another, everybody except Sara hated him. As a matter of fact, he did the opposite when it DID go awry. He pretty much told Laurel to go commit suicide at the end of his speech. Noooot good when dealing with a pill popping alchy.

Key difference: those computers and servers weren't on Felicity's body. If she decided to tape on to her chest when the virus was uploaded, odds are it would have knocked her out, too.

I get that. But a cellphone... You know what, Ill just roll with this then. Its a STRETCH but i can accept it. Maybe me just Nitpicking.

It gave Felicty more depth, made huge strides with Laurel/Sara, and finally moved forward with Slade's plan.

Felicity more depth? We have seen her try and take on the "Villain of the week" on her own before, that's nothing new. We know she gets emo over Ollie. In the end it came down to him saying, "You'll always be my girl," and she is all smiles again. Other than that, she is still a cute tech guru who we all love. No more, no less. Agreed that Laurel and Sara are OK now. Which like i said, was tying loose ends unrelated to main plot. So unless that pays off later (My guess is pops dies by seasons end, forcing them to have only each other) then that was purely situational drama induced. Oh Yeah, it told us Slades next move, what 2 eps ago? That took a while. But like i said, waste of 50 mins, the last 5 good.

Maybe most of the people have more invested in this, that's why they cared about the meat in this ep. I saw minimal of season 1 but all of season 2. So 50 mins of, moving Sara and Laurel together and having Felicity trying to take down the bad guy (again) didn't do it for me.

I think it was a bad ep.

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#66  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@sachmoo:

Agreed. But at least give us an indication of off screen stuff when it pertains to plot points. She could have said, something to the effect of, "You've been distant from mom lately". I know she said it later in the episode, but that first altercation was just flat.

Meh. I'm more concerned about what's going on between the two than how Oliver's sister is perceiving it, truth be told. I mean, it was essentially a handful of seconds, right? I've no gripe with her having a strong enough relationship with them where she can easily pick up on the tension between the two.

Yes i know that. Cause her last time with Laurel went bad. But still, think to yourself, does that make ANY sense for Ollie to be there? He is gonna be there for emotional support in case it goes awry, even though he ripped the family apart? What!? At one point or another, everybody except Sara hated him.

We're all human and hardly always make the most logical decisions. Oliver wanted to avoid it but Felicity basically shot down his excuse. As for Sara's reasoning, she needs someone who understands and can potentially have her back. She was thinking about how she'll feel and wanted her significant other to be by her side. Was it the smartest move? No, but again, can you honestly say every decision you've made is a logical one when it comes to loved ones? Plus, no one acting rational at that point was blaming Oliver for what happened to Sara.

As a matter of fact, he did the opposite when it DID go awry. He pretty much told Laurel to go commit suicide at the end of his speech. Noooot good when dealing with a pill popping alchy.

And, as you can see, that's EXACTLY what she needed. The tough love and harsh realization of what she's been doing set her on the right path. He tried and tried and she never accepted it. Clearly, this was the thing he hadn't tried and, as we saw, it worked.

Felicity more depth? We have seen her try and take on the "Villain of the week" on her own before, that's nothing new. We know she gets emo over Ollie. In the end it came down to him saying, "You'll always be my girl," and she is all smiles again. Other than that, she is still a cute tech guru who we all love. No more, no less.

The drama with Felicity in this had nothing to do with her personal feelings for Oliver and everything to do with needing to recognize she is indeed a key component on the team. That was put into question when Sara was able to make strides in the investigation and go out in the field when she was just failing one scene after the next. It humanized the character instead of just showing her as lovable in every scene yet again.

Agreed that Laurel and Sara are OK now. Which like i said, was tying loose ends unrelated to main plot. So unless that pays off later (My guess is pops dies by seasons end, forcing them to have only each other) then that was purely situational drama induced.

Why must something be connected to the main plot to matter? These are two core characters we're talking about and they now have a new dynamic. To top it off, we're finally rid of the frustrating version of Laurel. And someone will obviously die, but I suspect it'll be Sara.

Oh Yeah, it told us Slades next move, what 2 eps ago? That took a while. But like i said, waste of 50 mins, the last 5 good.

I agree they've been slow with Slade and that's exactly why I put that as a negative in the review. Regardless, instead of Oliver simply being made aware of him in the cliffhangerr, they at least threw Slade right into the House to make things far more interesting.

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@k4tzm4n: We're all human and hardly always make the most logical decisions. Oliver wanted to avoid it but Felicity basically shot down his excuse. As for Sara's reasoning, she needs someone who understands and can potentially have her back. She was thinking about how she'll feel and wanted her significant other to be by her side. Was it the smartest move? No, but again, can you honestly say every decision you've made is a logical one when it comes to loved ones? Plus, no one acting rational at that point was blaming Oliver for what happened to Sara.

No. But what i can say, if i was about to go into a possible family reconciliation dinner, knowing it could potentially turn volatile quickly based on recent instances. The last thing I would do, is bring or do anything that could bring up old resentment. Anyways, this sounds a bit like what i was getting at. You say it wasn't necessarily logical and then come up with a reason why it wasn't THAT BAD. So, your giving the fact that it wasn't the 'smartest move' (as you put it) a pass. Again, i think you may be more emotionally invested in this show than I. Nothing wrong with that though. By the way, i have seen a few negative reviews for the episode.

On the plus side, i did like the quick tidbit of Sara's OTHER motivations. They didn't build it up, didn't dwell on it, didn't spend episodes on it. As soon as the pilot handed her the pic, I'm sure we all figured it out immediately, but it worked. Now THAT added depth!

And of course, that ending. Like you said, they didn't just have Slade call Ollie, or leave some calling card of sorts. Threw him right smack dab in his face! Is there any feeling worst than the enemy is within your walls?

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#68  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Anyways, this sounds a bit like what i was getting at. You say it wasn't necessarily logical and then come up with a reason why it wasn't THAT BAD. So, your giving the fact that it wasn't the 'smartest move' (as you put it) a pass. Again, i think you may be more emotionally invested in this show than I. Nothing wrong with that though. By the way, i have seen a few negative reviews for the episode.

I'm saying it makes sense (to me, at least) given who she is and the situation she's facing. From her perspective, I understand why she'd want her significant other to be there. Just because I, a viewer who has information she doesn't and is looking in from the outside, don't think it's the smartest move, doesn't mean I don't understand her reasoning behind it. If she had a history of doing things this this (here's looking at you, Andrea), then perhaps her actions would grow tiresome and I'd eventually become very frustrated with one thoughtless choice after the next. Thankfully, that isn't the case with her. Sure, she can fight assassins and what have you, but at the end of the day, she's still a human with real emotions. I can't blame her for wanting her significant other to be there when she's about to head into something like that.

And of course there will be a negative review on the internet. We're talking about subjective material, after all. However, the vast majority of comments and reviews I've seen have been favorable.

And yes, despite the twist being beyond obvious, it was still handled effectively. Here's hoping the next episode really gets the ball rolling with Slade.

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not a great episode really

great potential but fell flat, clock king taken out too easily and should have become something more substantial

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#70  Edited By kidchipotle

I enjoyed this episode for the most part. Of course, the ending is what LITERALLY took my breath away. I was gasping for air I was so excited and shocked. I most definitely have too much emotion stocked into this show but I'm okay with it. As always, enjoyed your review Greg!

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@doctorthomaselliot: I hope Sara gets killed off and Laura becomes the Black Canary. I don't like the character Sara.

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@fallschirmjager: Amell does pretty decent work throughout in my opinion. Look at the differences in personality between his pre and post island self. Especially first season, dude was a bigger jerk then he is now in both instances. Goofy as hell as a greenhorn, and focused solely on his mission (which he wasn't even doing right) as the hood. He has opened up more and it shows. Decent acting if I say so.

I agree, its just you can see a clear improvement from season 1 to season 2. even now to beginning of season 2. he's not gonna win an oscar or anything but he's getting pretty solid.

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I sure as hell didn't expect Clock King to have the same disease as Nora Fries.

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#74  Edited By NightFang3

So sense Clock King is dying I guess that means we won't be seeing much of him in later episodes?

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The ending is the best part of the episode. Even though Laurel is supposed to be Black Canary in the comics....I really see and hope Felicity gets it. Don't know why.

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@darthaznable: HA! That's a funny joke. Felicity would be a horrible Black Canary; she has no combat training and will always be the tech girl behind the computer screen.

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@jokergeist: Because they couldn't possibly train her -smh-....Black Canary even seems to have interest in her as well. If she doesn't become Black Canary, I think she will still become a competent combatant. Felicity is a better character than Laurel is currently. She is the weak link to the show. She's a grown Thea.

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#78  Edited By Jokergeist

@darthaznable: Please..... never ever ever become a writer for any sort of storyboard artistry, ever. Think of the children!

Felicity was introduced to the show entirely for one reason: to fill in the the "tech-specialist" character role. She is portrayed as this wimpy and somewhat cowardly female who has no combat ability whatsover besides jumping in front of a bullet. Her only use (and the very reason Oliver Queen chose her) is her computer skill... and even then; she isn't good enough as shown when she failed against the superior skill of the Clock King. Tell me -- what the heck would be the point of turning Felicity into Black Canary... because she's blonde??? Come on, I'm a clown and even I recognize such stupidity in that idea. In fact, it'd be reeaaaally stupid seeing that Black Canary's character has already been introduced and established into the show!! Did you forget about Sara Lance? There's absolutely no point in exchanging a well-established character's role for another established character for no reason at all.

By da way, I'm only reacting this way because you virtually "shook your head" at me!!... unless "-smh-" is an acronym for "So Many Hippies"?

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#79  Edited By Guardiandevil83

@donfelipe: I can understand why she wanted him there. They had been through literal war with each other, so while it was a dim move, it was understandable.

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@jokergeist: Lol So my shaking my head causes you to become a condescending arse? Well more power to you.

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@guardiandevil83 said:

@donfelipe: I can understand why she wanted him there. They had been through literal war with each other, so while it was a dim move, it was understandable.

I agree although going through war isn't exactly the same thing as handling complicated relationships. I mean, at least Oliver should have known better from his history with Laurel (and Tommy). Perhaps I should have said it wasn't such a smart idea of Oliver showing up at the reunion dinner alongside Sarah. However, this was such a great scene. The guy who's playing Quentin has been amazing in the last few episodes.

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#83  Edited By Guardiandevil83

@donfelipe: Love Quintin, and feel sorry for him. He is one of the few characters without any true problems, despite his past. He deserves to have peace. He just wants his life back.