According To Oeming, Rune King Thor stands a chance against a Well Fed Galactus

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So according to the guy who wrote the comic Rune Thor was featured in...

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We can now say Rune King Thor is around a Well Galactus :)

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#2  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy: you do understand the sided dice comment of oeming ?

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@kyrees said:

@pr0d1gy: you do understand the sided dice comment of oeming ?

Yup, it depends on what he does.

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#4  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:

@pr0d1gy: you do understand the sided dice comment of oeming ?

Yup, it depends on what he does.

you also understand that it ranges from he can't do anything to he can do something ? the sided dice metaphor doesn't give you total victory just chances.

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:

@pr0d1gy: you do understand the sided dice comment of oeming ?

Yup, it depends on what he does.

you also understand that it ranges from he can't do anything to he can do something ? the sided dice metaphor doesn't give you total victory just chances.

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

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#6  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy said:

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

the bare minimum of a sided dice metaphor is total annihilation and the bare maximum of it is stalemate.

point is if oeming used something much less random than a dice whom one can equal in a go, the chances are stacked against thor.

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#7  Edited By pr0d1gy

@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

the bare minimum of a sided dice metaphor is total annihilation and the bare maximum of it is stalemate.

point is if oeming used something much less random than a dice whom one can equal in a go, the chances are stacked against thor.

The bare maximum is a win.

So at best they're even.

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#8  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

the bare minimum of a sided dice metaphor is total annihilation and the bare maximum of it is stalemate.

point is if oeming used something much less random than a dice whom one can equal in a go, the chances are stacked against thor.

The bare maximum is a win.

So at best they're even.

the sided dice metaphor allows a chance to equal your opponent's throw. that's why it becomes a stalemate.

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

the bare minimum of a sided dice metaphor is total annihilation and the bare maximum of it is stalemate.

point is if oeming used something much less random than a dice whom one can equal in a go, the chances are stacked against thor.

The bare maximum is a win.

So at best they're even.

the sided dice metaphor allows a chance to equal your opponent's throw. that's why it becomes a stalemate.

It becomes a victory at most and a loss at minimum.

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@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Point being is that he was asked about a 'WELL' fed Galactus. Oeming stated Rune Thor does have a chance against him. So the idea that Galactus destroys him is no longer relevant, at bare minimum.

the bare minimum of a sided dice metaphor is total annihilation and the bare maximum of it is stalemate.

point is if oeming used something much less random than a dice whom one can equal in a go, the chances are stacked against thor.

The bare maximum is a win.

So at best they're even.

the sided dice metaphor allows a chance to equal your opponent's throw. that's why it becomes a stalemate.

It becomes a victory at most and a loss at minimum.

if the example doesn't allow the same results on either ends and given that thor is the one who is going first, his best shot can be stalemated.

there is no total victory in a dice especially in one dice.

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The question was, 'can he defeat big G'.

The answer was, 'it depends'.

Meaning, if he throws a 6, he wins.

If he throws a 0, he loses.

They're more or less even. Oeming implied they're roughly the same and it's too hard too tell. He implied Thor COULD WIN, not STALEMATE.

You're missing the entire premise of the question.

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#12  Edited By BlueHope

Don't we ignore author statements and focus on feats?I mean by Akira statements Broly can destroy a planet with a single punch

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@bluehope said:

Don't we ignore author statements and focus on feats?I mean by statements Broly can destroy a planet with a punch

Frieza finger flicked a planet.

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#14  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy said:

The question was, 'can he defeat big G'.

The answer was, 'it depends'.

Meaning, if he throws a 6, he wins.

If he throws a 0, he loses.

They're more or less even. Oeming implied they're roughly the same and it's too hard too tell. He implied Thor COULD WIN, not STALEMATE.

You're missing the entire premise of the question.

if he throws a 6 and galactus throws a 6 does it mean he wins ? the sided dice metaphor goes both ways.

that's why i asked if you understood the sided dice metaphor, it goes both ways as well. it wouldn't make sense that thor throwing a 6 against is an instant win when galactus hasn't even thrown his side of the dice

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

The question was, 'can he defeat big G'.

The answer was, 'it depends'.

Meaning, if he throws a 6, he wins.

If he throws a 0, he loses.

They're more or less even. Oeming implied they're roughly the same and it's too hard too tell. He implied Thor COULD WIN, not STALEMATE.

You're missing the entire premise of the question.

if he throws a 6 and galactus throws a 6 does it mean he wins ? the sided dice metaphor goes both ways.

that's why i asked if you understood the sided dice metaphor, it goes both ways as well. it wouldn't make sense that thor throwing a 6 against is an instant win when galactus hasn't even thrown his side of the dice

Question: Can he win?

Answer: It depends.

There is no 'stale-mate'.

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@pr0d1gy said:

Question: Can he win?

Answer: It depends.

There is no 'stale-mate'.

oeming can pretty much say that answer but chose the dice statement. why would that be a case ? you know very well that marvel writers can give an even more direct answer.

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Question: Can he win?

Answer: It depends.

There is no 'stale-mate'.

oeming can pretty much say that answer but chose the dice statement. why would that be a case ? you know very well that marvel writers can give an even more direct answer.

There was no 'stalemate' present therefore it's illogical.

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#18  Edited By kyrees
@pr0d1gy said:

There was no 'stalemate' present therefore it's illogical.

how can you claim it's illogical when 6 resulting throws from that test can pretty much say it can ? oeming pretty much gave us a vague answer that covers everything if one decides to look at it accordingly. the lack of acknowledgement of a stalemate doesn't prove it doesn't exist. more likely it occurs since a stalemate is merely in between the parameters of the condition.

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

There was no 'stalemate' present therefore it's illogical.

how can you claim it's illogical when 6 resulting throws from that test can pretty much say it can ? oeming pretty much gave us a vague answer that covers everything if one decides to look at it accordingly. the lack of acknowledgement of a stalemate doesn't prove it doesn't exist. more likely it occurs since a stalemate is merely in between the parameters of the condition.

Oeming said 'it depends' and the question was 'can he BEAT Galactus'. Oeming didn't say Thor could only stale mate him.

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... I get the feeling that this was meant as a snide remark against the fans.

"Oh, those nerds with their forum debates and tabletop games..."

That's what I'm getting from this.

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#21  Edited By darthdeadpool

lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

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@pr0d1gy said:

Oeming said 'it depends' and the question was 'can he BEAT Galactus'. Oeming didn't say Thor could only stale mate him.

you are limiting yourself on a black and white scenario. oeming is intelligent enough to give a non committal vague answer which anyone can infer accordingly. at least he didn't outright say thor can't win or or thor can win.

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lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

Exactly.

@jedixman said:

... I get the feeling that this was meant as a snide remark against the fans.

"Oh, those nerds with their forum debates and tabletop games..."

That's what I'm getting from this.

Doubtful.

He began with 'hm' which shows he put some thought into it.

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#24 JediXMan  Moderator
@pr0d1gy said:

He began with 'hm' which shows he put some thought into it.

Or he was being sarcastic and mocking the fact that fans take it seriously.

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@jedixman said:
@pr0d1gy said:

He began with 'hm' which shows he put some thought into it.

Or he was being sarcastic and mocking the fact that fans take it seriously.

To each his own

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lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

clearly you haven't played that many dice related games.

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@kyrees said:
@darthdeadpool said:

lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

clearly you haven't played that many dice related games.

Your logic would hold ground if he said stale-mate.

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#28  Edited By kyrees

@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@darthdeadpool said:

lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

clearly you haven't played that many dice related games.

Your logic would hold ground if he said stale-mate.

which he actually contained in a sentence that said dice related metaphors, not that it matters to you since you now have confirmation bias with darth since he sees the same thing. numbers don't make arguments wrong especially on something as vague as this. heck, jedi already has a third view on which you summarily ended to "each his own". i wonder why you don't say that to me.

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Question: Can he win.

Answer: Depends.

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#30 JediXMan  Moderator

@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@darthdeadpool said:

lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

clearly you haven't played that many dice related games.

Your logic would hold ground if he said stale-mate.

Thor has a 1/6 chance of victory and a 1/6 chance of defeat.

Galactus has the same odds. If both win and both lose, that's a stalemate.

Forget tabletop games. You need to learn how statistics and probability work.

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@pr0d1gy said:

Question: Can he win.

Answer: Depends.

my answer: dice related

your answer: grammar related

jedixman answer: he was being sarcastic and mocking the fact that fans take it seriously.

your answer: To each his own

darthdeadpool: i agree with you

your answer: yes

a vague answer from oeming meritted such varied responses.

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@jedixman said:
@pr0d1gy said:
@kyrees said:
@darthdeadpool said:

lmao the dice comment clearly means it depends and could go either way. in other words they are about equal not a.... stalemate?

clearly you haven't played that many dice related games.

Your logic would hold ground if he said stale-mate.

Thor has a 1/6 chance of victory and a 1/6 chance of defeat.

Galactus has the same odds. If both win and both lose, that's a stalemate.

Forget tabletop games. You need to learn how statistics and probability work.

If Thor rolls a 6 he wins. If he rolls a 3, he MIGHT win. If he rolls a 2, he probably loses. He he rolls a 1, he definitely loses.

Simple.

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@kyrees said:
@pr0d1gy said:

Question: Can he win.

Answer: Depends.

my answer: dice related

your answer: grammar related

jedixman answer: he was being sarcastic and mocking the fact that fans take it seriously.

your answer: To each his own

darthdeadpool: i agree with you

your answer: yes

a vague answer from oeming meritted such varied responses.

You = Making up context that isn't there.

Jedix = Disregarding it completely

Me = Taking it at face value

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#34 JediXMan  Moderator

@kyrees:

To clear the air: based purely on statistical probability - and assuming that the author was serious - I agree with your assessment.

My personal opinion is that this (entire discussion) x (mathematics + comic book characters) = proving my point that he was being sarcastic by making the dice comment. "Let's watch the nerds dance!" says the author (paraphrased).

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@pr0d1gy said:

You = Making up context that isn't there.

Jedix = Disregarding it completely

Me = Taking it at face value

the context you see is different from the context i see so i'm wrong then ? you might as well say that to jedixman

real answer"

my answer = a different POV.

jedix = a different POV.

your = a different POV.

all three are not anymore correct than the other.

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@jedixman said:

My personal opinion is that this (entire discussion) x (mathematics + comic book characters) = proving my point that he was being sarcastic by making the dice comment. "Let's watch the nerds dance!" says the author (paraphrased).

yay, my favorite word

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Interesting.

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#38  Edited By VoloErgoMalus

@jedixman said:

... I get the feeling that this was meant as a snide remark against the fans.

"Oh, those nerds with their forum debates and tabletop games..."

That's what I'm getting from this.

I agree. Clearly a joke. "...it depends on what sided die Thor throws..." means that it depends on how many sides the die that Thor throws has, which is nonsense. It's meant to draw parallels between role playing in D&D and "battle" discussions like this one, both of which (at their worst) containing people seeking to resolve their insecurities by asserting the dominance of their chosen avatars, or satisfy their neurotic need for a definite pecking order, in a fanciful, arbitrarily-defined fictional landscape.

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Oh really? The guy who wrote Rune King Thor says RKT is around Galactus level?

That's cute..

The guy who created Galactus says Galactus is the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

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Stan Lee holds Precedence over Oeming.

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This is why us Thor fans can't have nice things :(

*continues to be a giant Thor fan in secret*

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Oh really? The guy who wrote Rune King Thor says RKT is around Galactus level?

That's cute..

The guy who created Galactus says Galactus is the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

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Stan Lee holds Precedence over Oeming.

Nope!

Stan Lee said the writer holds authority.

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#42  Edited By CitizenSentry

@pr0d1gy: You do know that Stan Lee wrote Galactus's stories right? XD.

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@pr0d1gy: You do know that Stan Lee wrote Galactus's stories right? XD.

Stan Lee said the writers hold authority.

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I see.........

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@jedixman: look not everyone plays dungeons and dragons, I think it's pretty clear he meant it was a toss up and could go either way

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Stan lee was only joking , because TOAA

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Stan lee was only joking , because TOAA

The question was about the universe. Not Multiverse.

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People need to cut the sh*t.

1) Oeming statement meant that, RKT could hold his own against well fed G, and depending lose or win that battle. Literally. He's saying they're in the same weight class.

2) Stan Lee's response was to a "who does HE believe" question. Meaning it was his pure opinion. His answer was "probably", not definite, and he no longer writes or holds authority at marvel. He's just a fan now.

Don't be upset by the truth

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#50 JediXMan  Moderator

@jedixman: look not everyone plays dungeons and dragons, I think it's pretty clear he meant it was a toss up and could go either way

No, but D&D and other games like it are stereotypical geek/nerd things - as is debating comic book characters.