According to Me: Marvel's True Superman

Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (1894 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Every superhero universe NEEDS a Superman figure. They NEED that one larger than life figure that Superman is. A powerful being who stands as a beacon for truth and justice and Marvel is no exception. They've had many homages to Superman before: Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry, and most recently Blue Marvel. But do they fit with Superman truly or are they just all powers and costumes? Let's take a look shall we?

Gladiator fits with Superman as far as powers go. However personality wise he's as far from him as you could get.

Blue Marvel, while an interesting character, I feel truly lacks what it takes to be a Superman. He's got the powers to be sure, the strength, but he hasn't shown to have Superman's stand for truth and justice. His drive to never stop fighting until the day the world doesn't need him anymore which may never come.

The Sentry truly was Marvel's Superman in one aspect. It wasn't his powers, but the fact actually did represent the purest form of what a superhero is meant to be, just like Superman. I never HATED Sentry, just I found it hard to like him due to the fact he was even more overpowered than Silver Age Superman if that's even possible!!! I mean at one point they said he could control molecules like Molecule Man! MOLECULES!!!!!! That's WAY too far!!! Now MINOR molecular control is fine, even Ms. Marvel has that which is how she can suddenly change into her costume, but having someone who's basically already Superman with that kind of power who's not fighting cosmic level threats and is dealing with supervillans he should alreadt have NO trouble against? Yeah that's kinda bad.

Now Hyperion is the best example of a Marvel Superman. Yes I've said I don't care for him much as a character, but I love the idea of him. He's Marvel's real Superman no ifs and's or buts about it. He's Marvel's closest approximation of Superman and that's good. A version of Hyperion is in the current Avengers roster and so far? I like him. He's got Superman qualities but they're not just shoved in our faces like most versions of Hyperion are. This is what turned me against him as a character. It's like "HEY! He's Superman but he isn't!". That's fine for a while, but when a character is so blatantly obvious it's annoying to me.

So who is Marvel's Superman? Well technically that would be Namor. Yes Namor. Why? Namor the Sub-Mariner was the first character Marvel ever made, way back in the Golden Age when they were called Timely Comics. However from a non-technical stand point? I'm not gonna say. You be the judge.

#1 Posted by DH69 (4003 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

spider-man is marvels superman.

#2 Posted by Raizex (322 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@DH69 said:

spider-man is marvels superman.

#3 Posted by evilvegeta74 (3494 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Raizex said:

@DH69 said:

spider-man is marvels superman.

yep

#4 Posted by PowerHerc (50937 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Well that is an interesting take on the subject.

#5 Posted by dondave (7567 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Raizex said:

@DH69 said:

spider-man is marvels superman.

yep

Definitely

#6 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

I'm going to say... Blue Marvel COULD be... He has everything he needs.. Cept, perhaps, the right writer...  As you said, he has all the powers...  He certainly has the mind...  Just get him in the game!

#7 Posted by quirky_anecdotes (344 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Yes every universes needs a superman.

An out-of-date past-his-prime washed up character irrelevant to the mainstream public and only beloved by people born before the Kennedy administration.

#8 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@quirky_anecdotes said:

Yes every universes needs a superman.

An out-of-date past-his-prime washed up character irrelevant to the mainstream public and only beloved by people born before the Kennedy administration.

That's some nice generalization and bias you got there.

I get that Superman is not everyone's cup of tea, but the character is hardly out of date and only beloved by the largely older crowd.

The character has stuck around for the same reason a lot of popular older superheroes have, he's just a timeless character.

#9 Posted by AmazingGamer91 (19 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Isn't Hyperion (The last surviving member of a dead race) supposed to be, I dunno, Marvel's sort of "homage" to Superman? I mean, even the Squadron Supreme is based off of the Justice League (Power Princess from Utopia Isle, Night Hawk, Golden Archer, Whizzer, The Shape, Lady Lark, Blue Eagle, Dr. Spectrum and Amphibian), so maybe this means that Marvel really doesn't want a "Superman," they just want to have their own thing. Sure, Supes is a timeless character, but going off of the beaten path can be a good thing. Not trying to argue, just offering my PoV.

#10 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Marvel's Superman.. heheh..

I think that in terms of iconic quality, Spiderman is certainly their answer to Superman, but in terms of other characters relating to him, not so much. Superman is supposed to be a big deal even to other superheroes, so in that regard, I'd say it's more like Cap', Thor, or even Mr.Fantastic.

As far as Hyperion goes, he is meant to be a very literal Superman analogue (if anyone hasn't read the original Squadron Supreme serries, you really should), so I'm pretty interested to see what Hickman's plans for him are.

I'll admit, when I first saw him on the same team as Thor, I had to groan a bit, but Hickman did the smart thing and highlighted how distinct their personalities are, and that's the kind of thing I really read Avengers for, so now I am genuinely intrigued.

#11 Posted by TheCannon (14193 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Raizex said:

@DH69 said:

spider-man is marvels superman.

yep

Definitely

Of course.

#12 Posted by MrDirector786 (41465 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

I've always felt Captain America was Marvel's Superman when it came to having similar ideals.

#13 Posted by Jnr6Lil (6682 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

I would say Thor is Marvel's Superman.

Captain America's development, over the decades haven't really made him out to be the goody two shoes that he was originally intended to be.

#14 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Well that is an interesting take on the subject.

#15 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

I would say Thor is Marvel's Superman.

Captain America's development, over the decades haven't really made him out to be the goody two shoes that he was originally intended to be.

Why do you say Thor?

#16 Posted by Jnr6Lil (6682 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Both are superpowerful beings try to connect to humans.

Both have mortal forms (Donald Blake/Clark Kent)

Both are all about honor, truth & justice

Both each have scientific counterparts (Cyborg Superman/Steel & Beta Rey Bill).

Both have human lovers (Jane Foster & Lois Lane.)

#17 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Both are superpowerful beings try to connect to humans.

Both have mortal forms (Donald Blake/Clark Kent)

Both are all about honor, truth & justice

Both each have scientific counterparts (Cyborg Superman/Steel & Beta Rey Bill).

Both have human lovers (Jane Foster & Lois Lane.)

Hmm, interesting take on it.

#18 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Both are superpowerful beings try to connect to humans.

Both have mortal forms (Donald Blake/Clark Kent)

Both are all about honor, truth & justice

Both each have scientific counterparts (Cyborg Superman/Steel & Beta Rey Bill).

Both have human lovers (Jane Foster & Lois Lane.)

and I'm pretty sure Stan Lee has strait up said that Thor was meant to be Marvel's version of Superman, in the way that Superman was just a modern version of Hercules, Thor, or many other mythological protectors.

#19 Posted by JimTheSurfer (555 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@dondave said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Raizex said:

@DH69 said:

spider-man is marvels superman.

yep

Definitely

Of course.

I completely agree.

#20 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (2523 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Timandm said:

I'm going to say... Blue Marvel COULD be... He has everything he needs.. Cept, perhaps, the right writer... As you said, he has all the powers... He certainly has the mind... Just get him in the game!

THIS!! Marvel get off your asses, he could've been a New Avenger!

#21 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dangallant984 said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Both are superpowerful beings try to connect to humans.

Both have mortal forms (Donald Blake/Clark Kent)

Both are all about honor, truth & justice

Both each have scientific counterparts (Cyborg Superman/Steel & Beta Rey Bill).

Both have human lovers (Jane Foster & Lois Lane.)

and I'm pretty sure Stan Lee has strait up said that Thor was meant to be Marvel's version of Superman, in the way that Superman was just a modern version of Hercules, Thor, or many other mythological protectors.

Stan Lee's opinion doesn't matter to writers anymore.

#22 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

and I'm pretty sure Stan Lee has strait up said that Thor was meant to be Marvel's version of Superman, in the way that Superman was just a modern version of Hercules, Thor, or many other mythological protectors.

Stan Lee's opinion doesn't matter to writers anymore.

So you've asked them all, then?

I'm just pointing out that that was the intention of the guy who introduced that version of the character.

#23 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

and I'm pretty sure Stan Lee has strait up said that Thor was meant to be Marvel's version of Superman, in the way that Superman was just a modern version of Hercules, Thor, or many other mythological protectors.

Stan Lee's opinion doesn't matter to writers anymore.

So you've asked them all, then?

I'm just pointing out that that was the intention of the guy who introduced that version of the character.

Look how he's written in AVX, and compare than to Stan Lee's run on him.

#24 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

Stan Lee's opinion doesn't matter to writers anymore.

So you've asked them all, then?

I'm just pointing out that that was the intention of the guy who introduced that version of the character.

Look how he's written in AVX, and compare than to Stan Lee's run on him.

Look at how he was written originally,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

http://library.thinkquest.org/25326/Viking/thor.html

then look at how Stan Lee wrote him.

#25 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

Stan Lee's opinion doesn't matter to writers anymore.

So you've asked them all, then?

I'm just pointing out that that was the intention of the guy who introduced that version of the character.

Look how he's written in AVX, and compare than to Stan Lee's run on him.

Look at how he was written originally,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

http://library.thinkquest.org/25326/Viking/thor.html

then look at how Stan Lee wrote him.

That's not what I met

#26 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: sorry, maybe I don't know what your actual point was..

#27 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: sorry, maybe I don't know what your actual point was..

No worries I meant some writers now don't see Thor as Stan Lee did.

#28 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: sorry, maybe I don't know what your actual point was..

No worries I meant some writers now don't see Thor as Stan Lee did.

haha, that's sort of what I thought, I think you could even say most don't, I just think it's pretty relative with a character like that.

#29 Posted by ThunderGodsWrath (5561 posts) - 2 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@dangallant984 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: sorry, maybe I don't know what your actual point was..

No worries I meant some writers now don't see Thor as Stan Lee did.

haha, that's sort of what I thought, I think you could even say most don't, I just think it's pretty relative with a character like that.

I see

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