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#51 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's human no way a human could beat Superman.

#52 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio
ooops

#53 Posted by mk111 (3141 posts) - - Show Bio
#54 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk111: Sssssh I'm trying to incite a riot.

#55 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk111: ha! they wouldnt dare. I mean we all know who would win already....right?

Yeah, Batman obviously wins :). Seriously though, it isn't that obvious there are battles about it on here...go look it up. One has him with 2 weeks, another with 1, another with just one day...all say Batman can win...

But no spite will ever be on this level friends.

Yep and this one here is still up http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/batman-with-prep-time-and-plot-armor-vs-one-above--523752/

You want to know if people believe Batman wins check this out http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/batman-vs-galactus-723999/

And this out http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/batman-vs-galactus-413990/

Don't worry there's more and guess what! This is by the author of this topic no less! http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/batman-vs-galactus-749037/

#56 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluelantern1995: Oh I've seen em all. And then some. I agree though. Batman always wins. I mean its even a video thing on here isnt it? Has its own topic? Its like LeBron. Batman cant be stopped you can only hope to contain him :D

#57 Edited by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Oops, forgot to quote you in my reply, I dunno if you saw it.

#58 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

It would also helfp if the term "fanboy" wasn't throw around so haphazardly.

#59 Edited by Dernman (15250 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one that thinks the original post seems to actually be making fun of "Batfanboys"?

#60 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33925 posts) - - Show Bio

Shit like this makes me ashamed to be a comic fan

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#61 Posted by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

Am i the only one amused that the op is acting like bat fan boys are some mistreated minority?

#62 Edited by Manwhohaseverything (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it possible to have Batman as a favorite character...and still think Superman/Wonder Woman/Flash/GL/Thor/Hulk/Martian Manhunter..even Iron Man and Captain America could beat him?

Yes it is. I just described myself. :)

#63 Edited by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

So the point of this thread is to say that if you like Batman you're not allowed to say he can be beat?

#64 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

So the point of this thread is to say that if you like Batman you're not allowed to say he can be beat?

Thats not the point I got at all but maybe your interpretation was different.....

#65 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13417 posts) - - Show Bio
#66 Posted by RDClip (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boo hoo. I'm a Batfan. My favourite character has a bajillion monthly ongoings with the top writers and artists in the industry. My favourite character is one of the most profitable characters in cinema history. My favourite character has the two greatest superhero videogames ever made about him. My favourite character is getting his 130th cartoon about him while original cartoons with lesser used characters are being cancelled. My favourite character is always written to be the moral/physical/intellectual superior to everyone who surrounds him. But a few people on the internet say mean things about Batman, Waahhhhwahhwaaahh.

Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.

I enjoy Batman stories (although I think he is way overexposed) but his fanboys are some of the most obnoxious fanboys this side of Neon Genesis Evangelion fans. Maybe people wouldn't ridicule you if you didn't come on every discussion of Superman and badmouth Supes. Maybe you could allow other people to believe that their favourite is the greatest superhero rather than go into every thread yelling the praises of Batgod.

And maybe you should stop making the arguement that Batman is a much better character because he is human and thus vulnerable and then claim that he could beat any hero or villian with prep. In a batfanboy's mind, Batman pretty much is at god-status in terms of superpowers because he apparently has future-viewing powers because prep beat everything, I guess. It's not like something unexpected could happen or Batman could fail to foresee something, nope he preps for every single thing that could possibly happen ever because he's teh GODDAMN BATMAN.

Some people like Batman, some don't. Live with it. Don't be obnoxious and then start complaining when other peopler make fun of you. Don't create illusions of persecusion and pretend like the entire forum has turned you and your fellow fans into some kind of leper like pariah.

#67 Edited by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

There is a gap between the common fan perception of the character and the characters actual feats. This comes and goes though, we've seen it with Hulk, we've seen it with Storm, now we're seeing it with Batman. It will pass in time.

#69 Posted by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Hulk and Superman more than pretty much all other heroes but I can freely admit that both can be defeated. Does this mean I'm not a real fan? Does my acceptance of their limitations negate all the comics and merchandise ive bought or my appreciation? Does me liking them diminish your favorite character at all? The answer to all these questions is no.

#70 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

"Does Kryptonite ring a bell?"

What, you mean that thing that many Superman villains who are much smarter than Batman have tried to use against Superman but he always ends up beating them regardless? That thing that Superman has a myriad of ways to extinguish his weakness to? (Does the radiation suit ring a bell? Does sundipping ring a bell?) Yes, I think that rings a bell...

  • As I said before Batman won't attack him head on like Superman's so smarter villains do.

"Red run radiation?"

What, you mean that other thing that everything above also applies to? Yes, I believe that rings a bell..

"Add in hundreds of power suits and weapons, armory and resources."

Oh please, the Fortress Of Solitude curbstomps the Bat-Cave in terms of weapons, gadgets and resources.

  • Superman rarely uses any gadgets.

"And do you really think Batman is dumb enough to go to a straight fist fight with Superman?"

Ask him yourself..



He'll wait for the perfect moment and when Superman puts his guards down, only the he'll attack"

Oh, yeah, he's gonna sneak up on someone aware of every single event happening on the planet with his super-senses, I'm sure that'll work.

  • Then why does he falls under the traps of all those villains who plot against him.
  • As I said before Superman will win 9 out 10 times but he's not unbeatable.

#71 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Yeah, nice scans, one isn't even canon and the last one's from the same page where Batman states that he's breaking every bone in his fist and in the same comic even admits that Superman would beat him easily if he wanted to, regardless of the Kryptonite.

"Then why does he falls under the traps of all those villains who plot against him. "

Bad writing, be honest, if you were writing Superman comics, would you be able to remember each and every one of his many superpowers?

"As I said before Superman will win 9 out 10 times but he's not unbeatable."

Yeah, of course he's not unbeatable, I'm just saying Batman couldn't beat him.

#72 Posted by w0nd (3719 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike the batfans who acknowledge his feats but ignore the times he falls...they call it pis or bad writing. When JLU DCUA falls in their favor they bring it up, when it works against them it suddenly becomes PIS or not cannon.

Batman has no problems admitting when he is in over his head...SOME of his fans however do have this problem, those are the ones I hate

#73 Posted by longbowhunter (7296 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a huge Batman fan and I've never once been in an argument over who he can or cannot beat up. It's just not relevant. I care more about how many good stories can be told with the character. This all seems like lunkhead jock mentality applied to comics.

#74 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Yeah, nice scans, one isn't even canon and the last one's from the same page where Batman states that he's breaking every bone in his fist and in the same comic even admits that Superman would beat him easily if he wanted to, regardless of the Kryptonite.

"Then why does he falls under the traps of all those villains who plot against him. "

Bad writing, be honest, if you were writing Superman comics, would you be able to remember each and every one of his many superpowers?

"As I said before Superman will win 9 out 10 times but he's not unbeatable."

Yeah, of course he's not unbeatable, I'm just saying Batman couldn't beat him.

  • Funny you say that because all the scans you posted are non canon. Also Batman never thought he had to fight Superman in that scan. Also Kryptonite's efficiency varies from writer to writer.
  • Then I guess 90% of the Superman comics are bad comics. If I ever write Superman, then I'll make him less powerful and take away his super speed, super senses and other ridiculous powers, only give him super strength, flight, x-ray and heat vision. Blaming the writers is easy, its not there fault, Superman is very hard to write with all this powers, seriously how can you write a man with super intellect when you only have average intellect.
  • Batman can beat Superman. Its comic books, anything can happen here.
#75 Posted by Farkam (4954 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

#76 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a huge Batman fan and I've never once been in an argument over who he can or cannot beat up. It's just not relevant. I care more about how many good stories can be told with the character. This all seems like lunkhead jock mentality applied to comics.

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#77 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

#78 Edited by BlackWind (6792 posts) - - Show Bio

A good fan admits their favorite character's faults and acknowledges their shortcomings. Not exalts them to perfection and godhood.

#79 Posted by Farkam (4954 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

#80 Edited by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

Not writers fault.

#81 Posted by w0nd (3719 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

Well that would be silly...just like when people say "why don't you do it then if you could do a better job" Well I can't! that's why I would stay away and leave it to the professionals who can, just like the bad writers should do, and there are people who can actually write superman stories.

#82 Edited by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

Well that would be silly...just like when people say "why don't you do it then if you could do a better job" Well I can't! that's why I would stay away and leave it to the professionals who can, just like the bad writers should do, and there are people who can actually write superman stories.

I agree but if you take a look at all the great Superman stories you'll see his powers are toned down.

#83 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

"Funny you say that because all the scans you posted are non canon."

Woooaaah, since when is A Death In The Family non-canon? Are you saying that Jason Todd as Red Hood as a whole never happened? Seriously?

"Also Kryptonite's efficiency varies from writer to writer."

Funny you say that, because that's pretty much the strongest Kryptonite has ever been written to be, where just a tiny ring was able to weaken Clark to nearly incapacitation, but it still wasn't enough.

"If I ever write Superman, then I'll make him less powerful and take away his super speed, super senses and other ridiculous powers, only give him super strength, flight, x-ray and heat vision"

Why; in your eyes, do Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter deserve to be more Super than Superman?

"Batman can beat Superman. Its comic books, anything can happen here."

And yet Batman has tried and failed time and time again, and still after all these years he has never once bested the Man Of Steel in an official comic.

#84 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Goddamn it, I forgot to quote you again.

#85 Posted by Farkam (4954 posts) - - Show Bio
@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

Not writers fault.

Yes it is.

#86 Posted by RDClip (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

Not writers fault.

Hey guess what? Writing is hard. Ask anyone who has ever written or tried to write something, it's not easy. If anyone decides to become a novelist, screenwriter, comic book writer because it is easy is in for a world of failure and dissappointment.

If I writer can't write a quality Superman story, it's their own damn fault. I'm not saying one is a bad writer if they can't write a decent Superman story, either it's out of their range (i.e. doesn't fit their style) or they just can't come up with a good story. Don't excuse bad writing by saying the character is 'hard to write', that's just a lame excuse.

#88 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

"Funny you say that because all the scans you posted are non canon."

Woooaaah, since when is A Death In The Family non-canon? Are you saying that Jason Todd as Red Hood as a whole never happened? Seriously?

"Also Kryptonite's efficiency varies from writer to writer."

Funny you say that, because that's pretty much the strongest Kryptonite has ever been written to be, where just a tiny ring was able to weaken Clark to nearly incapacitation, but it still wasn't enough.

"If I ever write Superman, then I'll make him less powerful and take away his super speed, super senses and other ridiculous powers, only give him super strength, flight, x-ray and heat vision"

Why; in your eyes, do Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter deserve to be more Super than Superman?

"Batman can beat Superman. Its comic books, anything can happen here."

And yet Batman has tried and failed time and time again, and still after all these years he has never once bested the Man Of Steel in an official comic.

  • So was Joker Iran's Representative in the new 52 too? And Jason's revival was due to Superboy's one punch? I don't consider ADitF canon. That story was full of crap.
  • I don't read Superman and JL but I from the scans people posted, Superman seemed to be more affected by Kryptonite than he ever was.
  • Not WW but MMH for sure.
  • I didn't know TDKR and TDKSB were unofficial comic books. And yes he hasn't beat him in a canon book yet. Doesn't mean he can't. He came very close to it. And that's why I said he can beat Superman 1/10 times.
#89 Posted by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

batman fanboys can be quite ridiculous and i like the guy but the battle forums make him appear as if he as his own personal infinity gauntlet

#90 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:
@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

Not writers fault.

Yes it is.

No it isn't.

@rdclip said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy said:

@farkam said:

@rustyroy: It is the writers fault if they can't handle the character that they are supposed to be writing.

Guess you should be the new Superman writer. A man with so much ridiculous power is always hard to write.

And it's still the writers fault if they can't handle it.

Not writers fault.

Hey guess what? Writing is hard. Ask anyone who has ever written or tried to write something, it's not easy. If anyone decides to become a novelist, screenwriter, comic book writer because it is easy is in for a world of failure and dissappointment.

If I writer can't write a quality Superman story, it's their own damn fault. I'm not saying one is a bad writer if they can't write a decent Superman story, either it's out of their range (i.e. doesn't fit their style) or they just can't come up with a good story. Don't excuse bad writing by saying the character is 'hard to write', that's just a lame excuse.

Yes writing is hard. But how can you write a character who can hear anyone from miles away, who can bench press the earth without breaking a sweat, who can move at near light speed. Yes they can give him a more powerful villain but can he fight them in earth without destroying it?

#91 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

RustyRoy vs the World lol I think the OP may have a point.

#92 Posted by k4tzm4n (49107 posts) - - Show Bio

and naturally we're going to preach that he always wins.

Well, there's your problem.

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#93 Edited by Farkam (4954 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: It's always going to be the writers fault if they don't have what it takes to write a certain character. No matter what you say this will always be the truth.

#94 Posted by RDClip (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: it's not always about the big fight or a villian with bigger muscles. Superman can be challenged on a ethical, political, or intellectual level. A quality writer knows that. Go read Kingdom Come, What's so Funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way, and For the Man who Has Everything and find stories that are not just about physical threats to Superman.

#95 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam: And you are the God of Truth? Superman is a very hard character to write if you can't change some aspects of the character and writers are not allowed to do that. Look at how many writers were replaced in Superman and Action comics. I know that a good Superman comics can be written but not on a daily basis. Either make him a cosmic hero or tone down his power or take away some of the powers.

#96 Posted by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

What pisses me off about many Batman fan boys is the same thing that pisses me off about most fan boys. Its not that they love a character or even that they argue their favorite character's ability to win despite all logic. Its the part where they act like its a personal attack on them any time someone has a different opinion. Just because someone doesn't like what you like it doesn't mean they find fault in you or are insulting you, it just means that different people like different things.

If you can't separate your self from a fictional character then the problem is yours.

#97 Edited by Farkam (4954 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: If a writer doesn't have the chops to write Superman it's his fault if Superman isn't written well. I don't need to be a God to understand this : - )

#98 Posted by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: A good writer can always find a good story. If a writer can't write a good story its his or her own fault not the fault of a character.

#99 Posted by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@rdclip said:

@rustyroy: it's not always about the big fight or a villian with bigger muscles. Superman can be challenged on a ethical, political, or intellectual level. A quality writer knows that. Go read Kingdom Come, What's so Funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way, and For the Man who Has Everything and find stories that are not just about physical threats to Superman.

I agree and I have read these comics and as I said before these comics don't make him some undefeatable God, they make him human, he rarely uses his powers in those comics. But you also have to ask for a character who had 75 years long ongoings, why does he have so less great comics? There must be some reason that most writers can write a good Superman story on a regular basis.

#100 Edited by RustyRoy (13271 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam: I already replied to that. you're just repeating yourself.