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#1 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

I really couldn't resist re-posting this. Credit goes to whatculture.com.

And now, ladies and fanboys...

10 Reasons Batman Would Definitely Beat Superman

10. Outside Interference

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If Superman and Batman did fight, there’s no doubt that the entire world would be watching. The thing is, Superman is the guardian of the world. He has a lot of enemies, who ultimately would want him dead, and would clearly be cheering for the bat. You could say it wouldn’t be unlikely for someone like Lex Luthor to interfere discreetly, so Batman can finish doing his job for him. After all, a world without Superman, is one much more vulnerable to villainy.

You can’t really make that same case for Batman, after all nearly all his villains inhabit Gotham. Generally speaking Batman isn’t a huge threat to the world, and there are certainly ways around him, as he mainly guards his home-turf as opposed to anywhere else. But Superman? There’s certainly a lot of reasons why a long queue of colourful characters would be begging for a chance to help end Superman’s legacy.

9. Allies

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Throughout the years, Batman has rarely traveled or fought alone. Often he has one of his many iterations of Robin, the boy wonder accompanying him. Be it Nightwing, Catwoman, Huntress or otherwise, the bat has taken a lot of people under his wing, as his protege or partner. While obviously Batman couldn’t rely on such a figure to beat Superman, his allies are a valuable resource he could use against the Man of Steel.

After all, the idea of Batman being this heightened human character is that he’ll use every possible resource in order to execute a plan, to dissect a threat. His highly trained team of wards, and allies are certainly a tool to be used. An agile ally like Robin for example could distract, and evade Superman deftly with feats of agility, while Batman sets a trap. Nightwing could probably face the Man of Steel head on with his martial arts expertise, and masterful use of the bo-staff. In summary, bats rarely come alone.

8. Fear

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Fear. What a potent tool. Is Superman scared of Batman? Most likely. Almost everyone is. At the Justice League watchtower most of the heroes are talkative, colourful, and friendly. Batman has a constant persona to withhold, that everyone should be afraid of him, good or bad. Clark actively knows Batman is watching him, and is generally aware of his immense power, and the consequences if they ever fell into the wrong hands, or turned to evil.

If Superman flying through the skies, as he surveys Metropolis is a sign of hope, Batman is certainly a sign of fear as he patrols the dark lofty streets of Gotham. Seeing Batman deal with thugs is one thing, but when the batarang is pointed at you, that’s generally a scary thought. Is Batman scared of Superman? Not really. Scared for the fate of the world, but not himself. He has nothing to lose.

7. Bruce Wayne, Socialite

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Bruce Wayne. An incredibly wealthy public figure with a lot of power at his disposal, as head of Wayne Industries. If you asked if Bruce Wayne would definitely beat up Superman, you’d be asking a different question. The thing is, not all wars involve fighting, if Lex Luthor’s stint as president in the DC universe has taught us anything. What could Bruce Wayne do? With all of his money and resources, it is not unfeasible to imply he could indirectly fight Superman.

With an easy smear campaign, you could turn Superman’s adoring public he so actively draws upon, against him. You could make him not welcome, a fugitive, a criminal. After all Superman may be invincible, but he’s not above the law or society. He could even turn the JLA against him too. While this method isn’t necessarily Batman’s style, using his social position and resources he could turn the world against Superman before Batman needed to ever be involved.

6. Adaptability, Tactics, and Resourcefulness

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Batman always has a contingency plan. Batman has been known to plan for the unlikely, hence why he carries around Kryptonite on his utility belt. An encounter between the world’s finest wouldn’t be a brawl, or a spontaneous fight, it’d be calculated to a tee. To think Batman hasn’t already thought about how he’d tackle Superman, or how the fight would go is just naive. If Superman were to go rogue, corrupt or evil, Batman would be the first line of defense, and he’d certainly be prepared.

Being his friend and companion for all these years only bears advantage for Bruce. He watched and observed Superman’s fighting style down to the very movements, with his intelligence, psychological knowledge, and deep understanding of Superman’s arsenal he’ll be able to predict, dissect, and evade Clark’s blows with ease.

Superhuman brawn is only ideal if you can strike the foe which would be hard, considering in close quarters, Batman most likely has access to Kryptonite. With Superman’s ideals, and optimistic nature he’d never expect the fight, or be prepared. With a powerful but limited skillset, Superman falls perfectly into a category of foe Batman should be able to dispatch.

5. Emotional Weakness

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Batman is an orphan, who saw his parents die in front of him. Naturally, he’s cut a lot of his emotional heartstrings, and is quite the distant and focused individual. This means, Batman has no real emotional weakness, or susceptibility. However Superman is a lot more gentle, a lot more loving and kind. The question is, could he bring himself to come to blows with the caped crusader? Would he ever want to hurt his long time friend, ally, partner. It’d certainly be a tough ask, for the man of steel.

For Batman it’d be an easy task, it’d just be the matter of justifying Superman as the uncontrollable threat he could become. Superman has a heart, a love life, has a gentle touch. He saves little boys from traffic, cats from trees, damsels in distress. Superman has become far too ‘human’ for his own good, and his resolve is weak. Batman is a broken individual, who’s lost near to everything dear to him. Batman has only the task at hand, because nothing else matters. Would either of the two pull punches? Likely, Kent.

4. Bat-Vehicles, and Technology

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As smart as Batman is, if it weren’t for his technology, or his access to it, his chances would be pretty damn slim against Kal-El. You’d have to think a victory for Batman would involve some kind of gadget, or trick. Kryptonite Cannon? Bat-Suit? Anti-Super-Personnel Batmobile? Who knows. But Batman’s sheer adaptability to adapt, is powered by his technology. It’s in the very makeup of Batman, in his formula that he takes advantage of technology to adapt to any situation, threat, or problem.

What resistance could Superman offer against technology designed to dampened his abilities? none. Sure, Superman knows Batman’s skill set, and technique but as a fighter Superman isn’t at all adaptive. He simply has what he has at his disposal, he wins with brute force, and bravado. Thus he’s in no real position to react to anything Batman can through at him, he doesn’t exactly have a plan B when it comes to combat. Punch, fly, heat ray, charge. If master Bruce Wayne can alter his technology to withstand the brunt of Kal-El’s attacks, he should be the favourite to win.

3. Kryptonite

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Ahhh Kryptonite, one of the most stupid plot devices ever made. Oh yeah, let’s make our Superhero completely invincible. Super-Strength, indestructibility, flight, speed, yeah all that stuff. Hey, isn’t our guy a bit too strong? Oh yeah, he needs a weakness! How about this green stuff, that makes him useless when he’s near it. Yeah sure. Maybe that’s a bit harsh though, Kryptonite did serve a purpose on Krypton, it weakened the race’s natural powers so they couldn’t be used for evil, and society was in balance.

There’s no real way to ignore Kryptonite on this list. The substance causes Superman to temporarily lose his strength, and have that of an average human. In that case, Batman would just cleanly beat him in his weakened state using his martial arts and combat skills. Not to mention Batman has a stockpile of the stuff, just in case Superman becomes the world’s greatest menace. It’s not exactly exciting, and is the basis for at least of 50 percent of Superman’s storylines just to actually present some real danger, to the otherwise immortal hero. Not much more to it than that, really.

2. The Audience Would Want Him To Win

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This is somewhat of a meta-answer, playing on the audience and reactions as opposed to the characters themselves, but give it some thought. If Superman, and Batman were to brawl on the big screen, who would we want to win? and in the same vain, how would the fight reflect that result.

If Superman were to win, one has to think, would there be any real fight, or exchange of blows? In any ordinary encounter, Batman literally can’t hurt Superman without the help of outside tools, and he certainly doesn’t have anyway of taking advantage of Superman’s weakness to the arcane. So how would this fight go? Superman punches Batman once, and breaks his rib-cage? Abruptly melts his face with heat vision, or throws him into space? Sounds pretty anti-climatic, and fatal to me.

But for an entertaining spectacle, Batman would probably have to claim victory. Via the use of his surroundings, tools, outside factors and strategy. He’s always the underdog if the fight goes to blows, he’s just a man. For the sake of the audience, we’d want Batman to win, we’d want to the underdog to overcome the odds and take down the super-powered gloryhog, because the alternative sounds pretty dull and unfeasible. Not to mention the fact Batman is generally more popular among fans, primarily because of the incredibly successful Dark Knight Trilogy.

1. He Already Has

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Is there any other reason better than, because they’ve already fought? Maybe not in the ‘standard canon’ if you want to nitpick about the context, but in Mark Millar’s highly acclaimed The Dark Knight Returns originally published in the 80′s, with a 2-part animated feature in 2012, Batman defeats Kal-El. The two are driven to fists as Batman becomes the head of the mutant gang after defeating their leader. The city rejects him, leaving now shamed political lapdog Superman to deal with him. He suffers a fairly crushing defeat.

How? With the use of a hardened combat battle suit, and a weakening dose of Kryptonite gas Batman had Superman on the ropes. In many ways this ties together many of the other reasons on the list, preparation, technology, the existence of Kryptonite. Admittedly this happens in a rather ‘altered’ universe and isn’t to be taken strictly as history. Through his triumph we must ask ourselves, would Batman conquer Superman in the same way? Or would outside factors, intervene?

#2 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

My favorite part of this article

but in Mark Millar’s highly acclaimed The Dark Knight Returns originally published in the 80′s

LAWL.

#3 Edited by Wolverine08 (42167 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

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#4 Posted by TheReptile (190 posts) - - Show Bio

oh boy, im not saying bats can't beat Supes but he has a very small chance even with all that. Superman is OP

#5 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like the author of this article was being a bit facetious when he wrote this.

#6 Edited by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Citizen Bane's post nullifies this. Hell, some guy even posted it in the comments.

#7 Edited by superkryptonian (79 posts) - - Show Bio

People lets be realistic here. Sure Batman is an AWESOME character but when you get down to it he is human. Sure hes got gadgets galore and skills a plenty but faced with a god like being who can crush mountains like rubble and shrug off missiles like cotton balls he doesn't stand a chance. Plus he didnt beat him in DKR. Superman was barely at 50 percent power, was holding back,was blasted with kryptonite, Batman had 10 freaking years to plan, and Batman had outside help. In the end he really didn't win he had a heart attack, if the battle had drug on Superman wouldve had to stop holding back an even in his far weakened state would've crushed the Dark Knight.

#8 Posted by VeganDiet (1066 posts) - - Show Bio

So taking into account Batman's non-canon win, his record is like 2 wins out of like 7 or so fights, most of which ended with Superman having the advantage, right?

That's uhh, that's not that impressive.

Also:

"An agile ally like Robin for example could distract, and evade Superman deftly with feats of agility, while Batman sets a trap. Nightwing could probably face the Man of Steel head on with his martial arts expertise, and masterful use of the bo-staff"

Ha ha no.

Fear. What a potent tool. Is Superman scared of Batman? Most likely.

I'm cracking up.

#9 Posted by Cybrilious4 (1766 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat-Wanking All The Way!!!!!

#10 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by LaserLambert (636 posts) - - Show Bio

Did people read a different Dark Knight Returns than I did? The Dark Knight Returns I read had Batman fake his own death so that Superman wouldn't kill him, and yet you'd think from fanboys that Batman soundly defeats Superman...

#12 Posted by VeganDiet (1066 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Edited by Squalleon (4609 posts) - - Show Bio

2. The Audience Would Want Him To Win

You don't need anymore than that.

#14 Posted by Knightfall225 (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Batman says his quote from the Dark Knight Returns as he holds Superman's throat

#15 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

How about they work together? You know because they're friends.

#16 Posted by TekTheNinja (766 posts) - - Show Bio

How about they work together? You know because they're friends.

this!

#17 Posted by Knightfall225 (1989 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225:

There's no reason they couldn't hit it off from the get go. In the DC cinemaverse both Supes and Bats are outsiders and defenders of the innocent.

Frankly a drawn out confrontation between the two would be contrived.

#19 Edited by KingRobbStark (165 posts) - - Show Bio

I regard intelligence as the greatest power. If you have that, then you can defeat ANYONE.

#20 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

Is this a Batman fan playing the victim card? Are the Superman fans mean when they pick on poor Batman?

#21 Posted by MaccyD (4053 posts) - - Show Bio

@godtriggerhulk: Batfans are just like huh? Could you repeat the question?

#22 Posted by Wolverine08 (42167 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

Is this a Batman fan playing the victim card? Are the Superman fans mean when they pick on poor Batman?

I'm not playing the victim card. All I meant was that asinine articles like these aren't reason enough for puerile arguments about Superman and Batman.

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#23 Posted by Knightfall225 (1989 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by THEOCITYLEGEND (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

Ya...I am seeing this alot.

#25 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo said:

@wolverine08 said:

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

Is this a Batman fan playing the victim card? Are the Superman fans mean when they pick on poor Batman?

I'm not playing the victim card. All I meant was that asinine articles like these aren't reason enough for puerile arguments about Superman and Batman.

Ok, nvm. I am 100% ok with conceding that. Take a load off champ.

#26 Posted by SHTR (110 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingrobbstark said:

I regard intelligence as the greatest power. If you have that, then you can defeat ANYONE.

Not of much use against someone who can move faster than the speed of thought.

#27 Posted by DarthOrange (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman would clearly win.

He would snap his neck.

#28 Posted by End_Boss (736 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes! This thread is valuable and necessary!

#29 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by End_Boss (736 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Edited by Manchine (4169 posts) - - Show Bio

Got to say most of those . I got to disagree with.

#32 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (877 posts) - - Show Bio

This is ridiculous. I love Batman just as much as any batman-fanboy but the author to that article is completely biased on Superman that he failed to realize Superman can beat Batman just as easily if he wanted to like in the resent Superman/Batman comic. In fact, most of the fights between them are either when Superman just want to talk so he holds back not to harm Batman, or when Superman is being controlled against his will that Batman needs all his armaments to take him on but hangs on just long enough until some plot convenience kicks in by something or someone else intervenes just before Batman comes out unscathed.

#33 Posted by Jayc1324 (12203 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is much smarter than superman. If he has prep he can win. Simple.

#34 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17304 posts) - - Show Bio

So many reasons.. and yet superman one shots him lol

#35 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

@reignmaker: Im guessing this is meant to be a joke to bait superman fans. Im not falling for it.

#36 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@eternal19: It's from No Man's Land. A massive story arc. I don't remember the exact issue reference but they're all collected in trade.

#38 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by sinestro_GL (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

And 1 reason why Superman would definitely win:

Super strength.

#40 Posted by MuyJingo (1754 posts) - - Show Bio


@sandman_ said:

Citizen Bane's post nullifies this. Hell, some guy even posted it in the comments.

How? A blog post disputing batman has ever won against superman in comics has nothing to do with a blog post explaining why batman will win in a movie.

#41 Edited by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Always the casuals

@sandman_ said:

Citizen Bane's post nullifies this. Hell, some guy even posted it in the comments.

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/something-nice-for-the-classic-bats-vs-supes-debat-1461520/#41

plenty of posts in superman forums that agree with katz, but batfans come like lepers to derail

#42 Posted by tikhunt (676 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh it's one of these threads, just gonna sit here and wait for it to crash and burn.

#43 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

Uh oh, here come angry Superman fans yelling at Batman fans, and screaming about how Batman is overrated, and how he'll outshine Superman in the World's Finest movie so he shouldn't be there.

They have a right to share their views to counter this argument.

#44 Posted by Binski (647 posts) - - Show Bio

You can re-post all ya want it doesn't make it true

#45 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Idiot thread with bait biting viners. Nyahahahaha! Oh wait, I also bit the bait! Nyahahahaha!

#46 Posted by DarkKnight1939 (148 posts) - - Show Bio

#47 Posted by Abhi471990 (64 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why and how Batman will beat superman:-

" You're beginning to get the idea, Clark. This...is the end...for both of us. We could have changed the world. Now look at us... I've become a political liability and you... You're a joke. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you. "

and we all bow down to Batman.

Who being a mortal with no superpower beat the hell out of one of the strongest man in the universe or any universe known.

#48 Edited by ImmortalOne (3443 posts) - - Show Bio

I have one reason why Superman would win.

Also,

but in Mark Millar’s highly acclaimed The Dark Knight Returns originally published in the 80′s

LOL!

#49 Edited by frogdog (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't need X-ray vision to see through this bait.

#50 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5877 posts) - - Show Bio

This assuming Batman could actually hurt Superman with his punches......... Ok then. This was clearly written by a fanboy of Batman and deserves no further attention.