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Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio

The Good

FOREVER EVIL #7 does plenty of things well, even though there was a delay between this and the last issue. It provides a fun, action-packed issue that leaves readers in suspense. Sure, by the end of the issue, you're pretty sure everything is going to go back to normal, or some relative form of normal, but there's twists and turns along the way to keep the reader interested and invested in the future of DC, including that insane final page.

The book is very Lex Luthor-centric and almost feels like a jumping off point for that character to have his own book. Luthor is extremely fleshed out here through his actions and the narrative driven by his inner-monologue. As long as you have this in your mind, going in, the book moves much smoother and there's no room for confusion.

As far as fanboyism go, there's a TON of stuff to be excited over. First and foremost, it's the first appearance of Ted Kord, who is wearing a very familiar shirt. This leads to many possibilities in the future, including the return of Blue & Gold. That would be pretty dang awesome. The final page marks the return of another character who could lead the DCU into a Crisis. Finally, Luthor knows who Batman is. Again, this has tons of possibilities in the future and could make for some very interesting storytelling.

The art through this book is just as you'd expect: great to look at and tells the story well, visually. Artist David Finch, inker Richard Friend, and colorist Sonia Oback do a fine job at keeping each panel easy to read, clear, and great to look at. Friend's inks are light and not over-powering, and he gets some great depth and texture in things like capes and faces. Finch normally puts out some great work and this is more of the same. He puts out some great art here.

The Bad

FOREVER EVIL has done a fantastic job at shifting who Captain Cold is, along with some other villains, and by the end of this, everything just goes to normal for them. The idea that these "villains" came together to save the world was a really moving part of this story, but after all is said and done, they just go back to being criminals, especially Captain Cold? (A villain with a code or law who could easily become a hero) It seems like all that there was a lot of build-up and great character development with these guys that ultimately gets thrown away, except for Lex Luthor.

This book really should be called LEX LUTHOR because that's who Johns chose to revolve this book around, and that's fine, but in doing so, he makes other characters look like chumps, which is very out of character for said characters.... mainly Batman. He pick-pockets Batman during the issue. It's a small, but unbelievable point.

Dick says "where?" when Owlman is telling Dick he's not giving up on being a team. It makes no sense. This happens towards the beginning of the issue and is NEVER tied up. Considering that Dick being kidnapped and demasked was a MAJOR part of this storyline, you'd think their would be more closure with this, right?

This next paragraph has no barring on the final rating of the book. Because of the long delay for this issue and because a few books are already in post-FE mode, there were a lot of spoilers for readers, like Lex Luthor being a part of the Justice League, and solicits spoiling what happens to Dick Grayson. There are plenty of surprises aside from that, so don't worry.

The Verdict

There's a lot about FOREVER EVIL that was disappointing, even within this delayed issue, but all-in-all, FOREVER EVIL #7 delivers an action-packed, fun issue that does a fine job at telling an over-arcing story. It's a really fun book that will get readers excited about the future of the DCU, but you cannot forget the fact that it leaves loose ends dangling in the wind, especially Dick Grayson. The art is fantastic and the Luthor-driven narrative is well written, but it feels like there's a lot of spite in the writing towards the Bat-characters of the DC Universe. Overall, I recommend this issue though. It is a very fun book with some big problems.

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#1 Posted by The Stegman (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally, it's over. Now let's move on...

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#2 Posted by anandak47 (41 posts) - - Show Bio

This issue was AWESOME. Harsh review but its your opinion. No issues.

#3 Posted by Tohoma (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised it got a low review I enjoyed it very much.

#4 Edited by UltimateSMfan (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey remember when Geoff Johns was incredibly awesome and the best Superhero comic writer in the bizz, yeah, you don't have to remember anymore :D

#5 Posted by Nightwing_Beyond (160 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have given this a three too. One star off for the weak Dick/Owlman closure and another for the miscolor of Dick's boots (his boots are colored red). You'd think after the long delay such a glaring color issue would've been caught. Still loved every moment we got with Luthor. I am satisfied with the issue overall. Just reminding future posters, a 3 star review doesn't mean @inferiorego hated the book guys... He just thought that it was good but with a few glaring issues. Don't give him grief over this please.

#6 Posted by Nahuel (391 posts) - - Show Bio

Finch's art was never good and I'm not surprised by this rating. We got spoiled by other books, Luthor centric (wich is not bad, but in detriment of other characters is what makes this a no) everything back to normal and the eternal delay! And the worst part is that I'm buying it anyway!! Ugh!

#7 Posted by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

I really enjoyed this issue. I had literally zero expectations but there was a big grin on my face every time I flipped the page. Yeah, you kind of have to take anything Bat-related Johns does with a grain of salt, but this was a wonderful ode to Sex Luthor.

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#8 Edited by fil123 (530 posts) - - Show Bio

so the whole point of forever evil was to make lex luthor better than batman, seems what johns was trying to do.

#9 Edited by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

Also this panel had me laughing out loud for an inappropriately long time:

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#10 Posted by tobyr88 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Comicvine hates Geoff Johns

#11 Posted by ShadowHuntR (501 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the beginning of Wonder Woman and Batman's fling?

#12 Posted by fil123 (530 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the beginning of Wonder Woman and Batman's fling?

was hoping theyd address that

#13 Posted by dondave (37961 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren

I really enjoyed this issue. I had literally zero expectations but there was a big grin on my face every time I flipped the page. Yeah, you kind of have to take anything Bat-related Johns does with a grain of salt, but this was a wonderful ode to Sex Luthor.

#14 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego A thing about the review. This wasn't the son of Ted Kord but Ted Kord himself.

#15 Posted by Mrgreenlantern (661 posts) - - Show Bio

I really enjoyed this issue .Very satisfying conclusion to Forever Evil. I really loved the villians working and interacting with eachother, I mean cmon Sinestro asking Adam about his home country or just about anything captain cold did was just gold

#16 Edited by UltimateSMfan (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: Lol, that and that hug in the start, hilarious!

#17 Posted by HolySerpent (12564 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: I agree it was great issue. What do you think about the big evil and how they design him at the end

#18 Edited by Mrgreenlantern (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesmfan: agree ! I love batman but cmon guys I've read alot of Johns batman and you honestly cant say he writes him like a fool...take off those hatershades and enjoy it for what it is .

edit : if anything he just downplays the entire batman is pretty much invincible bs by making him more HUMAN, notice his reaction to dicks apparent death? that is the reaction of a father losing his son before his very eyes. he was seconds away from killing luthor, to paraphrase lex "everything went black"

#19 Edited by Paul2814 (105 posts) - - Show Bio

The 'Where...?' part with Dick confused me, but after looking at it a few times, Owlman throws a smoke grenade and disappears, so 'Where...?' probably should have been extended with at least a 'He' on the end of it to make the situation make a bit more sense to what actually going on.

#20 Edited by fil123 (530 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesmfan said:

@saren: Lol, that and that hug in the start, hilarious!

@fil123 said:

so the whole point of forever evil was to make lex luthor better than batman, seems what johns was trying to do.

Not to start anything but Lex Luthor was always better than batman, at least in terms of pure genius.

i think its common knowledge that lex is smarter, but that doesnt have to make batman inadequate.

in johns JL run batman has done next to nothing, he seems to be there so a character has someone to argue with

#21 Posted by Master_Thief (774 posts) - - Show Bio

@fil123 said:

@ultimatesmfan said:

@saren: Lol, that and that hug in the start, hilarious!

@fil123 said:

so the whole point of forever evil was to make lex luthor better than batman, seems what johns was trying to do.

Not to start anything but Lex Luthor was always better than batman, at least in terms of pure genius.

i think its common knowledge that lex is smarter, but that doesnt have to make batman inadequate.

in johns JL run batman has done next to nothing, he seems to be there so a character has someone to argue with

DC STOP PUTTING BATMAN IN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#22 Posted by fil123 (530 posts) - - Show Bio

@fil123 said:

@ultimatesmfan said:

@saren: Lol, that and that hug in the start, hilarious!

@fil123 said:

so the whole point of forever evil was to make lex luthor better than batman, seems what johns was trying to do.

Not to start anything but Lex Luthor was always better than batman, at least in terms of pure genius.

i think its common knowledge that lex is smarter, but that doesnt have to make batman inadequate.

in johns JL run batman has done next to nothing, he seems to be there so a character has someone to argue with

DC STOP PUTTING BATMAN IN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wish he wasnt in JL, but looks like he'll be staying with lex while others will leave (superman??)

#23 Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego A thing about the review. This wasn't the son of Ted Kord but Ted Kord himself.

In an earlier issue, during a helicopter scene, we saw his father, who I'm almost positive was named Ted Kord as well. He died.

I could be wrong about the name though. I don't have the issue handy,.

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#24 Edited by Mrgreenlantern (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are we all not sheding tears for our big cuddly Bizzaro!!! poor lex losing his "boy"

Edit: also we need to get a big belly laugh outta Captain Cold still going to see his probation officer after everything thats happened LOL

#25 Edited by BlaneStroud (5 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego said:

In an earlier issue, during a helicopter scene, we saw his father, who I'm almost positive was named Ted Kord as well. He died.

Yeah that was Ted's Dad :-P You probably mistake Thomas for Ted

#27 Posted by Zackisme (56 posts) - - Show Bio

HOLY SH*T!! That last page. The Ant-Monitor and I wonder who the other guy was. Probably Darkseid.

#28 Edited by Frozen (13548 posts) - - Show Bio

Sinestro had Parallax, why didn't he solo? The lightning rod just seems silly now. Still, it gets 9/10 from me.

Oh well, Ultraman got given a beating. That's all I was waiting for.

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#29 Edited by obsidian_raindrop1 (130 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally, it's over. Now let's move on... to the next crossover.

#30 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@zackisme said:

HOLY SH*T!! That last page. The Ant-Monitor and I wonder who the other guy was. Probably Darkseid.

But he said "Darkseid will be mine" why would they be together?

#31 Edited by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego said:

In an earlier issue, during a helicopter scene, we saw his father, who I'm almost positive was named Ted Kord as well. He died.

Yeah that was Ted's Dad :-P You probably mistake Thomas for Ted

Ohhh... yeah... Thanks for that. I'll change the review.

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#32 Posted by manwithoutshame (654 posts) - - Show Bio

This issue was incredible. I think people are going to be looking back years from now on Forever Evil being one of the best events ever, that last issue just tied everything together so perfectly. 5/5!

#33 Posted by Nightwing_Beyond (160 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwing_beyond: You would have taken an entire star for boots?...

Normally no, but this issue has been delayed for a while. There's at least 30 issues of New 52 Nightwing out for the colorist to take reference from. I just thought that such a glaring color error could have been easily avoided.

#34 Posted by Zackisme (56 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by ShadowHuntR (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: He didn't have Parallax. He just have the same suit. Parallax is gone... we'll know more in Sinestro #5.

#36 Posted by Alex_Kincaid (40 posts) - - Show Bio

In all honesty, as I was reading the book I started with five and gradually went down to a three. I felt it was a bit fast (for my taste) to see how everything concluded, but having the whole issue centered around Luthor was great.

The last panel got me hyped cause it was something I predicted and there were a couple hints at it throughout the arc. Overall I was satisfied with the story and so I give the entire storyline (not the issue) a 4-4.5/5.

#37 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33619 posts) - - Show Bio

So is Batman also in love with Wonder Woman now?

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#38 Posted by Frozen (13548 posts) - - Show Bio
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#39 Edited by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

So is Batman also in love with Wonder Woman now?

It is kind of implied...

#40 Posted by Mrgreenlantern (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I think it was hinted at prior to Diana and Clark even hooking up I'd have to pull out some issues to find it unless someone else knows the exact panel and book =)

#41 Posted by Watsonian (6 posts) - - Show Bio

You give the COMPLETELY HORRIBLE Justice League United 5 stars and only give this 3? Why do I come to this shit site?

I'm out.

#42 Posted by Mezmero (937 posts) - - Show Bio

I've really enjoyed this series as a Lex Luthor book but maybe less so as an actual DC event book. I agree that the title should have been different (using the word 'Forever' in DC? tsk tsk). It turned out to be rather uneventful in a lot of ways in terms of affecting DC continuity but pretty awesome in showing some of the cooler classic villains in a different light. And I have to admit there were some pretty great reveals at the end. Finch's art was a bit rough in spots but I can't not like that gritty tone he gave this series. The whole way through I kind of pictured Lex with Kelsey Grammer's Sideshow Bob voice. It just sounds right in my head even though there are many great voice performers who have portrayed Luthor through the years. I think I liked this issue a little more than Mat but I can see where he's coming from. This reads like a fair review to me.

#43 Edited by TheMagicStik (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowhuntr said:

@frozen: He didn't have Parallax. He just have the same suit. Parallax is gone... we'll know more in Sinestro #5.

@frozen

He did have Parallax, he gives it up some time after this event. The suit is an indicator, he changes back into his normal one in Sinesto #1.

#44 Posted by Alak (926 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Wished the whole Dick Grayson's identity subplot would've had more closure.
  • Went "aww" at Bizarro hugging Luthor.
  • Sinestro was a beast throughout this entire arc. Him moving the moon with Black Adam was also a cool feat.
  • Batman still didn't do anything useful.
  • I actually liked how Luthor was portrayed in this event.
#45 Edited by Jphu8414 (3806 posts) - - Show Bio

I really liked this issue actually, if it had come out on time it probably would have gotten a 5/5

#46 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3857 posts) - - Show Bio

They shouldn't have delayed this book cause we already know what's going to happen in the end. Either way, pretty good series focusing on the villains.

#47 Posted by hugebone (8 posts) - - Show Bio

The Antimonitor is so going to destroy Earth 2 and then come to the Prime Earth or whatever it's called in March 2015.

#48 Posted by PapiNacho (2479 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow:

Outsmarting opponents with superpowers

Stealthily stealing equipment

Coming up with morally ambiguous solutions

Geoff you changed my mind you really do know how to write Bat.... Oh wait.

My usual whining about nerfing Batman aside thought, this issue was pretty good. I enjoyed the action, it was clever and that Bat/Wonder moment gives me hope it'll be a thing in the future.

#49 Posted by Jayc1324 (12324 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do they keep having people find out Batman's identity?

#50 Posted by kennybaese (1121 posts) - - Show Bio