Top ten FF stories or scenes you wish were erased.

What are the top ten moments or whole story lines that you wish were gone from continuity?

Reed's sexist treatments of Sue .

1. Valeria Richards
2. Franklin Richards
3. Human Torch dying. Totally pointless. He was back in a year. 
4. Reed and Sue getting married. She deserves better.

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

1. Valeria Richards
2. Franklin Richards
3. Human Torch dying. Totally pointless. He was back in a year.
4. Reed and Sue getting married. She deserves better.

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Explain yourself .

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Uh... what?

I'm out of the loop on this one.

Explain.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Uh... what?

I'm out of the loop on this one.

Explain.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

1. Valeria Richards
2. Franklin Richards
3. Human Torch dying. Totally pointless. He was back in a year.
4. Reed and Sue getting married. She deserves better.

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Explain yourself .

@FadeToBlackBolt: I meant, how did Ultimate Richards get destroyed?

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@InnerVenom123: Oh, lol, sorry. Bendis turned him psychotic, had him attempt to kill his family, train a bunch of bio-weapon child soldiers, he was partially incinerated by Human Torch and was the cause of countless deaths. With absolutely zero reason why. He just went nuts. Because Bendis is a cretin who has no idea how to write anything.

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What.

@InnerVenom123: ultimate marvel

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Hyper_God said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

1. Valeria Richards
2. Franklin Richards
3. Human Torch dying. Totally pointless. He was back in a year.
4. Reed and Sue getting married. She deserves better.

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Explain yourself .

Reality warper. Reality warpers and boring and plot-powered, more often than not just acting as Deus Ex Machina. This is especially true for Franklin "Pocket Universe" Richards.

How does any of that make him boring ? Plus Marvel has a vast plethora of insanely overpowered characters . Also , Hickman's run has seen more character development for Franklin than any previous run has .

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Hyper_God said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

1. Valeria Richards
2. Franklin Richards
3. Human Torch dying. Totally pointless. He was back in a year.
4. Reed and Sue getting married. She deserves better.

ULTIMATE REED'S CHARACTER BEING DESTROYED. SCREW YOU, BENDIS, YOU MASTER RACE-LOVING SON OF A B*TCH!

Explain yourself .

Reality warper. Reality warpers and boring and plot-powered, more often than not just acting as Deus Ex Machina. This is especially true for Franklin "Pocket Universe" Richards.

How does any of that make him boring ? Plus Marvel has a vast plethora of insanely overpowered characters . Also , Hickman's run has seen more character development for Franklin than any previous run has .

Fraction's upcoming stories.
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@Billy Batson said:

Fraction's upcoming stories.
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This . Fraction is going to butcher the F4/FF franchise .

I agree 100% too many reality warpers. Ppl just don't seem to get that a reality warper = God... Not Thor/Hercules/Odin/Zues but thee God and can flat out just delete everything in existence. Just doesn't make sense to have so many of them let alone having humans with the power. .... To answer the question I really can't think of any big important thing to change other than adjusting their personalities a bit. I'd like Reed to be less of a douche .. Actually add them all to that.

Does that crow taste delicious?

Fraction's Fantastic Four has been decent, and his FF has been...well...fantastic!

@reignmaker said:

@billy_batson said:

Fraction's upcoming stories.
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@hyper_god said:

This . Fraction is going to butcher the F4/FF franchise .

Does that crow taste delicious?

Fraction's Fantastic Four has been decent, and his FF has been...well...fantastic!

This made me LOL. Personally, I've really enjoyed Fractions FF work. I also really enjoy most of Bendis's stuff, which is sort of ironic since he's the big go to guy at Marvel and I HATE the big go to guy over at DC (lookin at you Johns....)

@onemoreposter: You can't be serious. I don't think that all of Fraction's work is bad, but his "work" on the Fantastic lines has been atrocious.

Case in point: His characterization of Dr. Doom. Under Hickman, Doom evolved as a character, beyond his silver age roots, to a thoughtful and reflective, if not still arrogant, man. The conclusion of the Parliament of Doom had him creating, not destroying, a universe, basically acting like a god in his own little parallel universe. He decides that this is "beneath him." Hickman's Doom, like the evolution of Magneto, sees these villains transform into flawed, complex antiheroes, whose agendas are not entirely evil.

Fraction, on the other hand, reduces Doom to the raving, silly lunatic he was when he was first introduced in the '60s. It's a disgusting regression of Hickman's painfully plotted development, and it's embarrassing to read. Perhaps Fraction's overall work shines in other places, but there are numerous examples of him writing empty garbage like Unfixable.

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