Stop removing Death's from characters

From what I understand the site rule is to keep a death even if it learned later they didn't die or were resurrected, or whatever. If while reading the issue it is stated they died, then they died. Publishers will always bring them back so STOP REMOVING DEATHS.

/End rant this was in response to Professor X whose 2 other deaths have been removed again.

YEAH, this aggravates me to no end too. I had to go through and re-add all the Onslaught deaths for the fifth or so time the other day.

And people keep having it so that Thor has zero deaths listed, he dies like every other day.

I re-added a bunch just the other day. With the new wiki history it would be possible to see who removes them, so hopefully we can set a stop to this eventually.

And off-panel deaths shouldn't count imo, i'm thinking of the likes of; Oh No! Human Torch got stuck in the Negative Zone, surely he's dead, wont bother checking.

Eh, i think in the case of Torch, Marvel made a big deal about it being a death and for a while it was assumed to be his death, so it makes sense to list it even though he was fine.

I think this is the unofficial rule, also things like in alt realities. It is kind of pointless to have this for Resurrection Man though

On that note what about deaths along the lines of Infinity Gauntlet where Thanos wishes half the Universe dead and they're all dead until it's reversed or the Avengers story where they fight Death and all but Captain America and Hawkeye die only to be resurrected by story's end. But i noticed Fesak added all the X-Men's deaths from the awful story with Adversary and they were likewise resurrected by issue's end. So where do we draw the line at what counts as a death and a cop-out?

Also on alt deaths, what about characters like Nighthawk who's alt counterpart is just as established as his main counterpart and had an iconic death too.

I think that falls to editor discretion, though perhaps adding deaths would be another thing that should be locked up to a point.

I was always under the impression like X that if the publishers made a big to do about it like Torch and Xavier then it counted because it was originally a death that just got retconned out.

I was thinking the same that maybe this should be locked down until somebody has so many points on that characters page like the new background feature.

In Fall of the Mutants the X-Men clearly dies, even if they're resurrected right away, so i would count that before Human Torch where the death wasn't shown, and turns out didn't happen at all.

For alternate realities i think it should count if it was a major story, ie: count the death of Ultimate Peter Parker, but not random deaths in What If?s

But yes... when the Avengers fight Death; Black Knight, Captain Marvel, Doctor Druid, Hank Pym, Iron Man, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor, Tigra, Wasp and Wonder Man all die. Should they be listed because they specifically do die but the story is largely irrelevant and forgotten about - but then so is Fall of the Mutants.

But I can easily see this sorta stuff being removed even more out of ignorance. I mean how many Iron Man or Thor fanatics are even aware of the existence of the Death crossover from the 80s.

A few more irrelevant ones:

• The entire roster of Avengers sans Moondragon and Thor died during the Korvac Saga only to be reborn at the end of the story. Black Panther, Black Widow, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Charlie-27, Hawkeye, Hercules, Iron Man, Jocasta, Major Victory, Martinex, Ms. Marvel, Nikki, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Starhawk, Vision, Wasp, Wonder Man, Yellowjacket, and Yondu all died in The Avengers #177.
• In Secret Wars #11, Doctor Doom kills Captain America, Captain Marvel, Colossus, Cyclops, Hawkeye, Hulk, Human Torch, Iron Man, Magneto, Mr. Fantastic, Nightcrawler, Professor X, Rogue, She-Hulk, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Storm, Thing, Thor, Venom, Wasp, and Wolverine. They are back to life within the next issue when Klaw raises doubts in Doctor Doom's head which with regards to his new power inadvertently makes those doubts actuality.
• During Secrets Wars II, the Beyonder kills Cannonball, Cypher, Karma, Magik, Magma, Moonstar, Warlock, and Wolfsbane in New Mutants #37. They are revived in Secret Wars II #9 and New Mutants #38 and beyond deals with their acceptance and feelings with regards to having died.
• Hercules and the High Evolutionary evolved beyond existence in Avengers Annual #17 and were considered dead until a year later when it was retconned they both evolved into a sentient galaxy.
• As I mentioned, when Thanos got the Infinity Gauntlet he used it to wish half of the entire Universe to Death in Infinity Gauntlet #1. Throughout the first three issues of the crossover, the following are confirmed as those who died: Archangel, Beast, Black Cat, Black Panther, Box, Captain Marvel, Dagger, Daredevil, Diamond Lil, Firestar, Guardian, Hawkeye, Hercules, Human Torch, Iceman, Invisible Woman, Makkari, Marvel Boy, Marvel Girl, Mary Jane, Mentor, Mockingbird, Mr. Fantastic, Night Thrasher, Northstar, Power Man, Puck, Quicksilver, Rage, Rick Jones, Sandman, Sasquatch, Sersi, Shaman, Thing, U.S.Agent, Vindicator, Wasp, and Windshear.
• Then Thanos kills most the survivors in battle in Infinity Gauntlet #4: Captain America, Cloak, Cyclops, Iron Man, Namor, Nova, Quasar, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Thunderstrike, Vision, and Wolverine are all killed. Of the survivors who don't die; Doctor Doom and Hulk are possibly killed off-panel and Drax and Firelord live but are transported away in time. Those four (and Thunderstrike - who we do see die) return in the next issue having being salvaged by Doctor Strange. All the Infinity Gauntlet deaths are negated when the events are reset at the end of the story.

But, yeah, do any of these and the above one with Death count? Should they? Imo, they're on the same level as all the X-Men's deaths in Fall of the Mutants; beneficial to only one story and immediately reversed but confirmed as actual deaths.

Yes, those should count, except for off-panel and assumed deaths. Though it seems a bit redundant to list every death every time the universe has been destroyed and restored which has happened quite a few times.

can we just get rid of marvelman1985? guy doesn't understand what death or disband means at all.

Question: is there any point in adding deaths for characters who die multiple times? I'm talking about characters who have the ability to bring themselves back, transfer their souls, etc. And no, I'm not talking about Jean; her deaths are spaced far enough apart.

Resurrection Man's death section is hilarious in that regard.