"I don’t have all day, just sum it up…"

Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I don’t have all day, just sum it up…

There’s a certain art to telling a story. Some people have it, and some people do not. This is nothing to be ashamed about. However, the real art is taking a story and “summing” it up. This is called summarizing. There is a subtle art to this that I’d like to relay to you. Below are some simple steps to help you summarize information a little better.

  1. Read through source.
  2. Reread through source while taking notes, as you reread, of only the most important information within the text, usually just a single topic sentence says what an entire paragraph portrays.
  3. No quoting, just sum up a long piece of dialogue, but only if it makes a significant point.
  4. Now set aside your notes and reread the source material.
  5. Set aside source material and rewrite notes summarizing the points that stick out in your mind the most
  6. Compare notes: The stuff that overlaps, that’s your gold material.
  7. Connect the points in chronological order (the order it appears in the issue).


Is this a lot of work? Yes. Is it worth it? If you want a great summary, it is worth it. Why is this relevant to viners? Well, quite a few of the viners are in school. Following these steps could help you out with schoolwork. More importantly, it could help out quite a bit with the database section of the vine.

In my opinion, which may not reflect the feelings or opinions of other staff or moderators of ComicVine or WhiskeyMedia in general, sometimes the database can be cluttered with what I consider to be “worthless information.” Take this hypothetical example: Issue #56 of Super-Awesome-Rad-Man (SARM) came out this week and Billy notices that SARM finds out that his arch-enemy, Trampoline Face, is actually his long lost brother. Now SARM already has an in depth character page, so the amount you add could be considered daunting to other readers.



Which one looks better?

After a brutal battle between Trampoline Face and SARM, SARM returns back to the Rad-Tower. He notices Trampoline Face’s blood stained on his clothes, and analyzes it in his computer. It turns out, that after all this time, SARM’s arch-nemesis Trampoline Man is actually SARM’s little brother Colin Crease. SARM loses it and destroys the Rad-Tower causing chaos on the ground and killing innocent civilians.

OR

Trampoline Man hits SARM in the face. SARM falls to the ground. Trampoline Man laughs. “You thought YOU were the best? I’ll have you know I eat chumps like you for breakfast! LITERALLY” Trampoline Man pulls out a knife and fork and licks his chops….. (Continues for five pages)

Would you rather read five lines, or five pages all pretty much conveying the same main point? There’s a fine line between too little and too much though, which, at times, is subjective depending on the reader.

Let’s face it, it is a fast moving society where the user wants their info and they want it now, so why not give it to them? Be quick and concise. Give them just the info that matters, instead of every little detail. If they wanted to know everything that happened, they’d hopefully pick up the book and read it. Sometimes it’s not the best idea to get too in depth. Getting to the point is just so much nicer.

Looking back at everything I’ve typed, I’m sure you guys would have liked it if I had “summed up” my article…

Staff
#1 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I'll admit, I'm guilty of writing detail.  Usually it is to build up a foundation of what a specific character went through.  Sometimes it's because I can't help it.


The one thing that irritates me with the database pages is the continual use of the present tense.  All action in the past does not take part now.  I just wish people would write in the past tense.  It makes more sense and looks better for the site.
Moderator
#2 Posted by TheDrifter (26533 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

SARM FTW

#3 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" I'll admit, I'm guilty of writing detail.  Usually it is to build up a foundation of what a specific character went through.  Sometimes it's because I can't help it.

The one thing that irritates me with the database pages is the continual use of the present tense.  All action in the past does not take part now.  I just wish people would write in the past tense.  It makes more sense and looks better for the site.
"
Guilty
Moderator
#4 Edited by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I love Smiley the Psychotic Button!

but anyways, in my opinion writing in detail isn't necessarily a problem, I think the problem is mixing people's writing styles in a single bio, when one thing's been summarized one way all throughout so that only main details are expressed and then you pop in a little conversation Emma Frost and Cyclops discussing what kind of lingerie she should wear, it just seems odd. I feel however, that if your writing up the entire bio there should be no need to skimp on detail because it's still uniform.

also...I can't believe I actually searched for Super-Awesome-Rad-Man in the database :(

Moderator
#5 Posted by Rikku (33 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Ditto

#6 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@pixelized said:
" Guilty"
As long as you didn't write Warpath or Rictor's profiles then all is forgiven.  At some point I really need to tidy up some bloody awful grammar, but it will take a long time:

After Vulcan kills Corsair and Havok battles him, Hepzibah is about to jump in but Warpath leaps and pulls her out of the way, telling her not to be an idiot and that she cannot take him.  Back on the X-Ship, and Warpath explains that when Hepzibah is done raiding the weapons locker, she doesn't want to be waiting around, as she has blood on her mind.  Darwin, Professor X, Hepzibah, Nightcrawler and Warpath are then locked on the ship by Lilandra, Warpath explaining that she's trying to save the Professor.  The jump engines begin and the group are sent back to Earth.  The ride becomes rocky, and Warpath asks what's happening, Hepzibah telling him that they're going through Earth's atmosphere.  Quickly after the crash, Nightcrawler teleports them all out, and the X-Ship (or X-Bug) then explodes.  Hepzibah says that she's stuck on Earth, but Warpath replies that the Starjammers will be back for her.  Later in Hepzibah's room, as she looks out the window,  he can see Warpath standing in the doorway.

This shifts repeatedly between past & present tense.  Some of the details are wrong and/or unnecessary.  It becomes so confusing that it looks like one of the characters changes gender.  The next couple of paragraphs are even more inconsistent as it shifts between codenames & real names... and mis-spells other characters names.  
Moderator
#7 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" I love Smiley the Psychotic Button!but anyways, in my opinion writing in detail isn't necessarily a problem, I think the problem is mixing people's writing styles in a single bio, when one thing's been summarized one way all throughout so that only main details are expressed and then you pop in a little conversation Emma Frost and Cyclops discussing what kind of lingerie she should wear, it just seems odd. I feel however, that if your writing up the entire bio there should be no need to skimp on detail because it's still uniform.also...I can't believe I actually searched for Super-Awesome-Rad-Man in the database :( "
you didn't search for Trampoline Face?
Staff
#8 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" @pixelized said:
" Guilty"
As long as you didn't write Warpath or Rictor's profiles then all is forgiven.  At some point I really need to tidy up some bloody awful grammar, but it will take a long time:

After Vulcan kills Corsair and Havok battles him, Hepzibah is about to jump in but Warpath leaps and pulls her out of the way, telling her not to be an idiot and that she cannot take him.  Back on the X-Ship, and Warpath explains that when Hepzibah is done raiding the weapons locker, she doesn't want to be waiting around, as she has blood on her mind.  Darwin, Professor X, Hepzibah, Nightcrawler and Warpath are then locked on the ship by Lilandra, Warpath explaining that she's trying to save the Professor.  The jump engines begin and the group are sent back to Earth.  The ride becomes rocky, and Warpath asks what's happening, Hepzibah telling him that they're going through Earth's atmosphere.  Quickly after the crash, Nightcrawler teleports them all out, and the X-Ship (or X-Bug) then explodes.  Hepzibah says that she's stuck on Earth, but Warpath replies that the Starjammers will be back for her.  Later in Hepzibah's room, as she looks out the window,  he can see Warpath standing in the doorway.

This shifts repeatedly between past & present tense.  Some of the details are wrong and/or unnecessary.  It becomes so confusing that it looks like one of the characters changes gender.  The next couple of paragraphs are even more inconsistent as it shifts between codenames & real names... and mis-spells other characters names.  
"
ROFLMAO, i don't feel as bad now.
Moderator
#9 Posted by TheDrifter (26533 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I tried desperately to fix the Danny Ketch page but gave up as Blade Hunter continuously uses bad grammar, ridiculously bad spelling etc.

#10 Posted by TheDrifter (26533 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@inferiorego said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" I love Smiley the Psychotic Button!but anyways, in my opinion writing in detail isn't necessarily a problem, I think the problem is mixing people's writing styles in a single bio, when one thing's been summarized one way all throughout so that only main details are expressed and then you pop in a little conversation Emma Frost and Cyclops discussing what kind of lingerie she should wear, it just seems odd. I feel however, that if your writing up the entire bio there should be no need to skimp on detail because it's still uniform.also...I can't believe I actually searched for Super-Awesome-Rad-Man in the database :( "
you didn't search for Trampoline Face? "
I did
#11 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: Tense change really bugs me.

List of things in the db that urk me, no particular order

  • Tense disagreement
  • Dialogue
  • Unnecessary detail
  • Awful grammar
  • Misspellings (Most web browsers have it built in)

I'd like to point out, that I am guilty of poor grammar in this actual article... Babs pointed it out... Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes on your work.
Staff
#12 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@inferiorego: Agreed!  My list also includes:

  • Typographical errors on characters names; and
  • Inconsistently swapping between codenames & secret identities.

Grammar mistakes and typos happen.  Especially as we tend to type quickly to set out the sentence while it's fresh in the mind.  But there's a difference between the occasional error, and those who do it all the bloody time :(
Moderator
#13 Posted by danhimself (18739 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

i suck at writing that's why i don't edit the wiki

#14 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" @inferiorego: Agreed!  My list also includes:

  • Typographical errors on characters names; and
  • Inconsistently swapping between codenames & secret identities.

Grammar mistakes and typos happen.  Especially as we tend to type quickly to set out the sentence while it's fresh in the mind.  But there's a difference between the occasional error, and those who do it all the bloody time :(
"
I have a feeling I'm about to go do some editing on the db here
Staff
#15 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@inferiorego: Good luck!  I'm too tired to do any in-depth work tonight, otherwise I'd be busy too...
Moderator
#16 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Man! How about a spoiler warning next time?! I haven't read Super-Awesome-Rad-Man #56 yet!

#17 Posted by danhimself (18739 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

it's really not that hard to make sure your stuff is right....all you have to do is type it up in a word processor program like Microsoft Office and use the spelling and grammer check

#18 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
" it's really not that hard to make sure your stuff is right....all you have to do is type it up in a word processor program like Microsoft Office and use the spelling and grammer check "
you misspelled grammar, and I misspelled "misspelled", but that's what Firefox is for! with a little right click I can fix my spelling errors :D
Moderator
#19 Posted by danhimself (18739 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
"@danhimself said:
" it's really not that hard to make sure your stuff is right....all you have to do is type it up in a word processor program like Microsoft Office and use the spelling and grammer check "
you misspelled grammar, and I misspelled "misspelled", but that's what Firefox is for! with a little right click I can fix my spelling errors :D"

i hate you...lol
#20 Posted by Archetype (731 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Isn't "returns back" redundant?

I mean if we are talking about making things more concise.I tease...I tease

Love the advice inferiorego keep it coming.

#21 Posted by LP (646 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I'm guilty as charged man. Thanks for writing this. (GAH! I was about to give a long story! LOL!)

#22 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@Archetype said:
" Isn't "returns back" redundant?I mean if we are talking about making things more concise.I tease...I teaseLove the advice inferiorego keep it coming. "
Yes, yes it is.
Anything I write on here is open to criticism, go nuts... Tear me a part. However, this article isn't as "controversial" as the online comics article. (If you can consider that controversial)

@LP said:
" I'm guilty as charged man. Thanks for writing this. (GAH! I was about to give a long story! LOL!) "
No problem!

Staff
#23 Posted by Shatterstar (4070 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Great post IE.

Moderator
#24 Posted by G-Man (25892 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I often see issue summaries on character bios.  I keep saying that info should go on the issue page.  If it's a major arc, it could have a mention consisting of a sentence or two.  I know I've seen this on the Spider-Man and Deadpool pages.  All it does is make the page super duper long and then people won't read all that.

Staff Online
#25 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 3 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I've noticed, more than ever, that people aren't summarizing when posting submissions now. 
 
Try not to think about the points you're getting for your submission. Think about the other people who have to read the work. 6 paragraphs on a story arc within a character's description isn't fun to read especially when it reads like this, "Trampoline Face runs to the car. Trampoline Face closes the door. Trampoline Face turns the key in the ignition." Vary your wording and sentence structure. 
 
The biggest problem at the moment is that there are so many characters lacking information. Characters like Wolverine, Spider-Man, Batman, etc are filled to the brim with information. There are so many other characters that lack critical info... You can find what areas need to be filled out here.

Staff
#26 Posted by courtney12490 (3476 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@inferiorego: Great article!
#27 Posted by inferiorego (19297 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@courtney12490:  wow! thanks! I think this was the first official article I wrote for CV
Staff
#28 Posted by courtney12490 (3476 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio
@inferiorego said:
" @courtney12490:  wow! thanks! I think this was the first official article I wrote for CV "
It's really good and super-informative :D
Please Log In

Use your keyboard!

  • ESC