different real name = different character? - Editing & Tools

#1 Posted by NetSpiker (283 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I recently tried to create a character page for Atticus Kent, an alternate version of Superman from the Elseworlds story, Superman: A Nation Divided. Since he had a different real name, I thought he should get his own page as a separate character. But it got rejected because unlike Kal-L and Kingdom Come Superman, who are far more similar to the mainstream version, Atticus Kent never appeared in regular continuity. Then I find out that Comic Vine does have separate pages for Peter Parquagh and Pavitr Prabhakar (alternate versions of Spider-Man that never appeared in regular continuity).

So since there are apparently no rules, I thought I'd better ask in advance which alternate Supermen and Batmen, I can create a page for. Here are the ones I was hoping to create:

Atticus Kent Superman: A Nation Divided (1999)

Baruch Wane Batman Chronicles #11 (1998)

Bruce of Waynesmoor Batman: Dark Knight of the Round Table #1 (1998)

Bruno Vanekow Batman: Golden Streets of Gotham (2003)

Byron Wyatt Batman: Hollywood Knight #1 (2001)

Charles Duffy Realworlds: Batman (2000)

Colin Clark Superman: True Brit (2004)

Dale Suderman Superman Inc. (1999)

Eddie Dial Realworlds: Superman (2000)

Michael Reilly Realworlds: Justice League of America (2000)

Richard Barrison Realworlds: Justice League of America (2000)

#2 Posted by fesak (6769 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

The rules are very unclear on this, but in general we don't have separate pages for alternate reality characters. For exampe no separate pages for Spider-Men who are alternates of Peter Parker like Ultimate Spider-Man, but Miles Morales gets his own page since he's not an alternate Peter Parker.
Peter Parquagh and Pavitr Prabhakar are not alternate versions of Spider-Man, they just happen to have similar names and powers, and are separate characters in the same way Miles Morales and Spider-Man 2099 are.
I don't know enough about DC to say if any of those should have their own page or not.

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#3 Edited by lokiofmidgaard (331 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Beg to differ - Peter Parquagh and Pavitr Prabhakar are alternate versions of Peter Parker, right down to matching supporting cast members, villains and (in the case of the two Peters) origins.

#4 Posted by fesak (6769 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@lokiofmidgaard said:

Beg to differ - Peter Parquagh and Pavitr Prabhakar are alternate versions of Peter Parker, right down to matching supporting cast members, villains and (in the case of the two Peters) origins.

The 1602 reality (Earth-311) diverges from Earth-616 in the year 1587, so the Peter Parker Spider-Man will presumably exist in that reality 400 years later. Of course, these characters are intended to be alternate versions, but technically they aren't.
Spider-Man India is obviously indian, has indian parents and magical powers, so he is not same character.

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#5 Posted by lokiofmidgaard (331 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

In 1602 the presence of the temporal anomaly of a future Captain America from an alternate timeline triggers multiple cases of counterparts to 616 characters coming into existence much earlier than they otherwise would have. Many even have the same civilian names as their future counterparts. It's a whole new reality and there's no guarantee there will be a Peter Parker in 1602's future. As for Spider-Man India, there's a 1 to 1 correlation between Spider-Man India's cast and 616 Spider-Man cast - the names have just been changed to Indian analogues of them: Peter Paker = Pavitr Prabhakar; Mary Jane = Meera Jain; Uncle Ben = Uncle Bhim; Aunt May = Aunt Maya; Norman Osburn = Nalin Oberoi; and Flash Thompson = Flash Thompson - in the last case, they didn't even change the name. You have Pavitr in matching family circumstances, an orphan living with his aunt and uncle, you have Nalin Oberoi as an industrialist like Norman Osborn who becomes a green goblin, etc. Skin tone and slightly different name aside, the differences between Spider-Man India and 616 Spider-Man aren't markedly greater than 616 Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man, or, for that matter, between Captain Britain-616 (Brian Braddock) and Crusader X (Bran Braddock) - the latter is Native American to the former's white British and their civilian names are similar but not identical, but Marvel openly identifies them as being one another's counterparts in different realities.