#1 Edited by LyraFay (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

Now I'm a big DC fan but it often feels like when DC makes a interesting move: Man of Steel and the announcement of Wonder Woman in the Batman/Superman movie, they are magnified with criticism by fans of their comics and their other media. It's almost people don't want these characters to be reinvented (which had to happen to Superman in Man of Steel).

So is nostalgia is holding some of you guys back or do you accept the change?

#2 Posted by Fallschirmjager (17422 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, nostalgia plays a huge part for a lot of people, but its not just DC.

For example? People crying about Peter's skateboard despite it having about 2 minutes of screen time.

#3 Posted by Wolverine08 (42153 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, nostalgia plays a huge part for a lot of people, but its not just DC.

For example? People crying about Peter's skateboard despite it having about 2 minutes of screen time.

I'll never understand this complaint about TASM......

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#4 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

That's what happens with comic characters in general, anytime a character changes regardless of whether it is on the big screen or in the comic book, people are going to freak out. I always try and accept the challenge (but there's no way I can be 100% impartial to changes, especially if the change occurs to a favorite character), after all, we always complain about character stagnation.

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#5 Posted by RustyRoy (12670 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

Yes, nostalgia plays a huge part for a lot of people, but its not just DC.

For example? People crying about Peter's skateboard despite it having about 2 minutes of screen time.

I'll never understand this complaint about TASM......

I never knew about this complaint about TASM......

That's what happens with comic characters in general, anytime a character changes regardless of whether it is on the big screen or in the comic book, people are going to freak out. I always try and accept the challenge (but there's no way I can be 100% impartial to changes, especially if the change occurs to a favorite character), after all, we always complain about character stagnation.

Exactly this.

#6 Posted by Wolverine08 (42153 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: I've seen people call TASM Peter a "hipster" because he used a skateboard for a few seconds. Just a ridiculous complaint overall.

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#7 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21842 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 sucks

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#8 Posted by RustyRoy (12670 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: I've seen people call TASM Peter a "hipster" because he used a skateboard for a few seconds. Just a ridiculous complaint overall.

I heard the complaint about him being Emo and wearing hoodies but I never heard anything about this one.

#9 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6853 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of comicbook fans are just too bitchy when it comes to comicbook movies.

#10 Edited by PapiNacho (2407 posts) - - Show Bio

People are too nostalgic with all characters, it's what happens when you get attached to them. However, yes DC has received some unjustified hate do to the reboot.

#11 Posted by RustyRoy (12670 posts) - - Show Bio

@madeinbangladesh said:

A lot of comicbook fans are just too bitchy when it comes to comicbook movies.

Found this, its maybe a li'l bit off topic

#12 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6853 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@madeinbangladesh said:

A lot of comicbook fans are just too bitchy when it comes to comicbook movies.

Found this, its maybe a li'l bit off topic

thats epic

#13 Edited by spinningbirdcake (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

It is a problem with both big publishers but I always feel like the DC characters are subjected more to nostalgia for whatever reason.

#14 Posted by FearTheLiving (3073 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not just DC, look at Iron Man 3 and the uproar it got because of the Mandarin, or The Walking Dead show vs comic. People have trouble viewing the thing in question on it's own merits without comparing it to other things. I am not without fault when it comes to this either.

#15 Posted by Sinisteri (550 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting question.

Did you mean the most recent changes causing problems or any change that has ever taken place? I do not remember an uproar about Batman having yellow oval over the black bat emblem on his chest or people vocally outraged over post Crisis Superman being the sole survivor of Krypton or Wonder Woman flying instead of flying a plane. Some of the same people who are currently being criticized for nostalgia holding them back from accepting change have accepted many years of change and retcons.

Perhaps it is just this particular recent retcon that is more the issue. And a better question would be why did the previous retcons seem to have more acceptance.

#16 Posted by SanoHibiki (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

That's what happens with comic characters in general, anytime a character changes regardless of whether it is on the big screen or in the comic book, people are going to freak out. I always try and accept the challenge (but there's no way I can be 100% impartial to changes, especially if the change occurs to a favorite character), after all, we always complain about character stagnation.

People are too nostalgic with all characters, it's what happens when you get attached to them. However, yes DC has received some unjustified hate do to the reboot.

What these guys said.

#17 Posted by SupBatz (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

Nostalgia definitely plays a role, to some extent. Especially when people write something off without giving it a chance, as a result. Superman and Wonder Woman's relationship is a good example. A lot of people scorned it before giving it a chance (myself included) due, mostly, to nostalgic feelings about the characters. Now that I've given it a chance, it's not so bad.

Then you look at the flip side of the coin: fans being nostalgic with good reason. If a chance is in poor taste and fans reject it even after giving the change its fair chance, I'd say that the line should be drawn there. Lest people would cry that every change is okay and should be made, regardless of whether this new iteration of a character is better or worse than previous ones.

#18 Posted by toplel (917 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not nostalgia when you criticize poor writing and characterization. Case in point, MoS. The movie was like Swiss cheese; it had more holes than substance. It was poor writing and people criticizing aren't doing it because its not the character(s) they're familiar with, its because it was a poor attempt at reinventing a character that didn't need to be.

With the reboot, you have examples of changes to a single character simultaneously being handled well and not so much. Wonder Woman has been great under Azz and Blackman and terrible under everyone else. So no, criticism isn't always due to nostalgia.

#19 Posted by CrazyScarecrow (1336 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinisteri: Batman's yellow oval was probably excepted only because the reason for Bats getting the yellow oval was due to a reboot in the Batman series of comics due to declining sales that almost got both "Batman" and "Detective Comics" cancelled. If it was for Julius Schwartz taking over the Batman books and Carmine Infantino leaving Flash and Adam Strange for the art (he added the yellow oval) the books would not have only been cancelled, but would still be placing the Dynamic Duo in more science fiction tales than detective tales. Something that Batman is not about.

I am sure there was some outcry over the Superman change due to Superman losing his ties with the Legion of Superheroes and all of his Superboy stories, but the complaints probably weren't as noticeable due to the Internet not existing when the change was happened. I don't think Wonder Woman got to many complaints because many probably thought the invisible jet was a stupid idea. I am sure though there were many complaints due to Wonder Woman's history getting messed up and her no longer being a founding member of the Justice League or how the post-Crisis messed with Donna Troy's history.

#20 Posted by Rouflex (18057 posts) - - Show Bio

Might have a little bit of Nostalgia but most of the time its about critism and comparaisons.

#21 Posted by Vitality (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, most of them seem to be...and I cannot stand it.

So many people hate the idea of Superman losing his red underwear...which is absolutely, beyond, absurd.

People never wanting Wonder Woman to wear pants.

It just doesn't make sense to me...and I think these people are the ones truly holding the character back.