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Posted by pikahyper
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Posted by Ms-Lola
Posted by pikahyper

@hislolita: go ahead and fix anything you see wrong, your edits will be moderated and if anything is wrong with them you will receive feedback.

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Posted by takashichea

@hislolita:

Anyone can edit the wiki pages as long as you follow the rules.

Posted by Ms-Lola

I apologise if this is the incorrect thread to ask this but I noticed a lot of spelling errors and grammatically incorrect wording in quite a few of the wiki pages I've frequented. I am hoping to contribute to the wiki on this site but I have yet to accumulate any points. From what I understand, I require 1000 wiki points which are given to me (approved?) by the moderators before I can edit any pages without restriction. Would it be okay if I can tackle some of these small mistakes now or is that only allowed for established wiki editors?

Thanks for your time.

Posted by pikahyper
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Posted by Owie

@owie: this is the right place for it and you are correct in your assumptions, the book can't be added and neither can the characters unless they have a comic appearance, if any info in that book applies to characters that do have comic appearances then you can add book info to their pages in the Other Media section if you wish.

OK, glad to have that confirmed, thanks.

Posted by pikahyper

@owie: this is the right place for it and you are correct in your assumptions, the book can't be added and neither can the characters unless they have a comic appearance, if any info in that book applies to characters that do have comic appearances then you can add book info to their pages in the Other Media section if you wish.

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Edited by Owie

I've got a question to which I think I know the answer, but I wanted to check.

There is a Grendel novel called Past Prime, written by Greg Rucka. It is heavily illustrated by Matt Wagner, the creator of the Grendel comics--over 80 illustrations in a 200-page novel.

While the illustrations are drawn in a classic Wagner visual style, they are not what I would call comic book pages--they do not have multiple panels, and they illustrate what is happening in the text--they do not tell the story themselves or add information that is not in the text.

However, the novel was published directly by Dark Horse comics, and the story is canon within the rest of the Grendel comic history.

So the question is, would it be OK to add characters to the CV wiki that exist only in this novel?

My assumption is that it is not OK, but I thought I'd ask. There are parts of the story I would add to existing comic characters under an "In Other Media" heading, but I figured the novel shouldn't be added as a comic, and thus the characters that only appear in the novel shouldn't be added either. Is that correct?

Sorry if this is not technically a "style" question, I wasn't sure which thread to use.

Posted by pikahyper

@jedixman: one isn't really necessary, almost everything is still valid, it just needs a few tweaks I guess for new or removed features.

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Posted by JediXMan

@jedixman: just thought I'd mention it, better safe then sorry.

While we're in this thread, thought I'd ask:

Any word on an updated style guide?

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Posted by pikahyper

@jedixman: just thought I'd mention it, better safe then sorry.

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Edited by JediXMan

@jedixman: first time only

Okay.

@jedixman: oh and if the page is an issue page then things shouldn't be linked in the description as the associations section is preferred.

That I know. I was referring to character / location / team pages and the like.

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Posted by pikahyper

@jedixman: oh and if the page is an issue page then things shouldn't be linked in the description as the associations section is preferred.

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Posted by pikahyper
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Posted by JediXMan

Question:

How often should a character be linked to in an article? Should it only be the first time that character is mentioned, or should it be once every "section" (every H2, H2)?

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Posted by pikahyper

@nosoop4u: the order is set automatically by the site based on release cover date

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Edited by nosoop4u

Hope this in the right forum...

How do we change or set the sequence of issues in a story arc in the new ComicVine 3.0? Before, you could just assign sequence numbers to each issue and they would end up sorted and/or in the reading/publishing order. Now it seems there's no way to do that anymore (other than possibly removing each issue and adding them back in manually in the correct order, which would be a nightmare).

Edited by Xanni15
Posted by pikahyper

@xanni15: lot of stuff tends to end up like that on CV

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Posted by Xanni15

@pikahyper: All right, thank you. Maybe it could work better on pages nobody really edits or those I can keep an eye on. :]

Edited by pikahyper

@xanni15: sounds about right but that is hard to enforce, best we can do really is stick to the "one link instance per object per page" policy.

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Edited by Xanni15

@pikahyper: I was wondering if you would recommend not linking major character items in the current events tab since that often changes? Like say Mjolnir on Thor's page, if you link it then another person comes along and changes the current events, the item might not get linked again on the page. That's just a minor example but hopefully it made sense. Obviously, arcs, teams, and volumes would always be linked. :]

Posted by RazzaTazz

@sc: It looks ok, though the headings work well enough under the standard fields for character pages. Have a look at Cleopatra and Marilyn Monroe and let me know what you think.

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Posted by SC

So I am a big fan of the wiki aspect of CV having consistency, and I am not sure if this has been addressed before, but we have a lot of real life people who appear in comics where the typical style guide doesn't really apply. I was wondering if we could establish some sort of simple and official format that can cover people like Bruce Lee, Bill Clinton, Albert Einstein, Jimi Hendrix, Neil deGrasse Tyson and the like. Think of the children erm I meant consistency, since a lot of these pages are either stubs or too detailed with no style at all just a wall of text, or include a biography that lacks coherency. Its a bit of a mess really, not that one needs a consistent format to fix those pages up, but I think it would be a good idea to implement.

Maybe as a suggestion something just as simple as

Biography

Give small real life account of person, overview, much like origin except most real life people are birthed rather than having origin stories. Also talking here real life only, no fictional adventures or aspects. They were born, lived as a and died.

Cultural Impact

So if above doesn't make it apparent why they might be noteworthy, like if they just appear as some scientist or martial artists, this part would explain with a bit of knowledge on the person why Albert Einstein and Bruce Lee may not be just your average scientist or martial artist. This person is popularized and known for, appears in this movie or this song or so on. Was Times person of the year or what have you.

Appearances in Comics

The most important part, just reference what comics they may be in, and also include stories where the character deviates from real life and goes on some fantastical adventure only possible through comics. Marvels The Shield for example has many real life historic figures doing fantastical things, and so mentioning that Leonardo da Vinci and Bruce Lee teamed up with Batman to beat Galactus would be explained here. Can cite issue numbers, story arcs, from different companies and so on. Many comic books have been cited as being heavily influenced by many of these people as well so could mention that here too, many comic creators talk about such people's influence as well, could include that too.

Accomplishments

Optional, but basically a short list of any awards, achievements, interesting facts or statistics in a more direct format than possible in Cultural Impact section. Sort of like a real life Powers and Abilities section but only if they warrant it (Nikola Tesla perhaps as opposed to Paris Hilton if I let my bias shine through)

Yey? Nay? Feedback? Opposition? Forget it? Is my dream to remain a dream too crazy for this grounded planet?

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Edited by Xanni15

If a character has a pet, and that pet really doesn't have enough info for their own page, can I add it to that characters page under their own heading?

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Edited by RazzaTazz

@emh_bruce: Absolutely, fix everything that you see is wrong.

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Posted by SC

Because I'm not sure where I should ask, I'll try it here...

When I read through some Wiki pages, I noticed some little mistakes like, misspelled words, wrong names (e.g. Barbara Morris instead of Barbara Morse), dead links (when you hover over the link you just get http:// ) and one page was flooded with links. (like EVERY time a character appeared, he got a link, even if a link to that character was already there)

I was itching to edit those pages, but I read somewhere that we should only edit big things and I don't want to appear as a point hoarder >__< It just irritates me if I read a page and see some wrong words and now I don't know what I should do. .___.°

Oh well, can you remember where you read you should only be editing big things? Was it from an official guide or anything? I have read the opposite from several mods. We want the database to be the best, which means spelling, grammar, links, originality, quality of content and information should be top notch, which may then involve lots of pesky minor edits, corrections, fixes and changes.

If your being sincere and trying to make a page look good, you should just go ahead in my opinion, and don't worry about appearing as a points hoarder. Absolutely fix up little errors you see. Then again I am not a moderator or staff member so I take no responsibility for anything bad that might happen to you. 0_0

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Posted by EMH_Bruce

Because I'm not sure where I should ask, I'll try it here...

When I read through some Wiki pages, I noticed some little mistakes like, misspelled words, wrong names (e.g. Barbara Morris instead of Barbara Morse), dead links (when you hover over the link you just get http:// ) and one page was flooded with links. (like EVERY time a character appeared, he got a link, even if a link to that character was already there)

I was itching to edit those pages, but I read somewhere that we should only edit big things and I don't want to appear as a point hoarder >__< It just irritates me if I read a page and see some wrong words and now I don't know what I should do. .___.°

Posted by JediXMan

@jedixman: stick with the current header scheme, I already put in a bug report to hopefully get some changes on the sizing/emphasis especially for the h4.

All right.

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Edited by pikahyper

@jedixman: stick with the current header scheme, I already put in a bug report to hopefully get some changes on the sizing/emphasis especially for the h4.

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Edited by JediXMan

@pikahyper:

Question:

We always used Header 4 when used as a sub-category under Header 2 (Powers and Abilities, etc.). Considering Header 4 is barely noticeable now, should we be using Header 3 instead of Header 4?

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Edited by pikahyper
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Posted by JediXMan

I remember there being talk about this many months ago, but will there be a revised version of the style guide going up? Perhaps I am in the minority, but I think this is a tad outdated. Could use a bit of additions.

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Posted by pikahyper

@renchamp: we'll get there, people are already exploiting it so it will be soon

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Posted by Renchamp

Whenever possible, could we get the Style Guide updated to explain how to approach Recommended Reading for character and team pages? This seems like it could be an incredibly cool feature.

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Posted by RazzaTazz

@guttridgeb: I meant that as a general rule, it has never been written down explicitly not to do that, but I don't see a reason why it would ever be necessary except perhaps to differentiate between different ages or versions of the character.

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Posted by guttridgeb

@RazzaTazz: @pikahyper: Okay, I thought that was the case but it seemed worth checking while I was on the thread anyway :)

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Posted by RazzaTazz

@guttridgeb: Don't put sub headings in the Origin section please.

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Posted by pikahyper

@guttridgeb: well if I remember that mini correctly it has a tweaked/updated origin so I'd say leave it in major story arcs, doesn't hurt anything there.

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Posted by guttridgeb

@pikahyper: Okay, thanks :)

Also, while I think about it, Superman has Birthright in the Major Story Arcs which is an origin story. Is it okay there or should I move it to the Origin section with a subheading? Until now I assumed it was okay to leave it but I thought it best to check :)

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Posted by pikahyper

@guttridgeb: well you should be ok with mixing most of that stuff into the regular sections of the character pages as long as it doesn't contradict the comics and the tie-in comics are about the same, if they change things like some shows do then that tie-in comic info can be added in an alternate versions section but only if it happened in the comics, anything that hasn't happened in the comics should be in Other Media.

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Posted by guttridgeb

@pikahyper: I was thinking about putting in some stuff about Smallville and the Incredible Hulk TV shows. How about when a show/game/film has tie-in comics? Would I only put in the comic stuff?

@wmwadeii: Thanks, that looks pretty good. I'll use it as a rough template if you don't mind :)

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Posted by wmwadeii

@guttridgeb: check out what I've done for the Transformers characters I've edited. I just list the series with a small synopsis of the differences if any from the comics and then an episode list. Short sweet and to the point as Pikahyper mentioned the site is more about their comic appearances.

Posted by pikahyper

@guttridgeb: if this is information that is not comic related it needs to be in the Other Media section and none of the Other Media sub-sections should be so detailed that they need headers for anything, what are these plot summaries you are looking to add?

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Posted by guttridgeb

Should character plot summaries for TV shows, films and games go in the Other Media or the Alternate Versions section? I was just wondering because putting it in the Other Media results in an inability to use headers to divide stories for TV shows.

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Posted by RazzaTazz

@EganTheVile1: Any idea of the pages where that is happening?

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Posted by EganTheVile1

A pet peeve of mine, and I am sure many others who read/edit articles of late is one very persistent editor going around changing Major Story Arcs to Mayor Story Arcs on every other page, if anyone knows who that is, please refer them to this thread so they can see with their own two eyes the word is major not mayor, as the story arc does not hold political office ina city or township.

Posted by pikahyper

@Esquire: present

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