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Posted by Lvenger

@vincent_valjean: True I didn't mention John Constantine. At the time I made this list, he was still mainly a Vertigo character and not a mainstream part of the DCU like he is currently. But if he were involved in my list, I'd say he would be neutral too. Constantine hardly strikes me as a government type lackey but he's also not a cape and costume fan either so I don't think he'd get involved in the conflict myself.

Posted by Vincent_Valjean

You forgot to put John Constantine into this(and here I was,being curious in which side will he be)....

Posted by Lvenger

this has got to be one of my favorite lists on this site. its thought provoking, and features a bunch of solid characters. ive come back to it a bunch of times to check it out. nice work

Thanks man, I appreciate your kind words and praise :)

Posted by kid Apollo

this has got to be one of my favorite lists on this site. its thought provoking, and features a bunch of solid characters. ive come back to it a bunch of times to check it out. nice work

Posted by HeraldofGanthet

@lvenger:

My man! For extra drama, you could have Natasha join the Pro-Reg side initially only to get her mind right later and join her Uncle John & company.

Kids today. What can ya do?

Posted by Lvenger

@heraldofganthet: Hmm good point, even with his high connections and industrial background, I can't deny that Steel would go against the Pro Reg side and fight against them on the Anti Registration team. Maybe I'll add him to the list, thanks for the suggestion! :)

Posted by HeraldofGanthet

@lvenger:

Cool idea. I would actually read this under one condition: Steel is Anti-Reg. That due to his working for and becoming a multi-millionaire at a corrupt government contractor like Amertech. He knows what evil a bureaucracy can do ESPECIALLY with this kind of information (secret identities, powers, weaknesses, etc...). No way he'd let himself be a part of that and as much as it would hurt him to do so, he'd fight his former allies to prevent his hand from being forced to join. Batman would also likely need tech support and backup since he'd also be leading the charge in his side of the war. Having Steel as his right hand man would take a great burden off of his shoulders, IMO.

Posted by Lvenger

@greenlantern2814_: Given I've been reading comics for 7 years and read most of Geoff Johns' GL run, I think I'm entitled to say I know the characters. And there are circumstances where Hal would be willing to act as Pro Reg leader.

Posted by GreenLantern2814_

Obviously you don't, John and Kyle are the only Lanterns who would seriously consider the pro reg. There are a number of reasons as to why Hal wouldn't be in there: Repeatedly striking superior officers, poor conduct, failure to obey orders, described as a hothead and reckless. Plus outside of the military aspect, Hal has a lot of respect for Batman and visa versa, despite their obvious problems and distrust after Hal became parallax and then came back to life, so I seriously doubt Hal would be on the side of pro reg. Though there are arguments against, such as protecting his family and Carol, I doubt Hal would allow that to stop him.

Posted by Lvenger

@greenlantern2814_: Well of course you are though I am allowed to disagree and explain my reasoning. And for one I do know a lot about the Lanterns' characters, especially Hal, John and Kyle. The former two have experience with the military and just like Hal is doing with the Green Lantern Corps currently, might feel the need to stabilise the situation and become the Pro Reg leader. After all, Tony Stark was initially against registration but then changed his tune and become the main advocate for it.

The valid point has also been raised that the JSA refused to reveal their identities to the government after WWII and went into retirement, meaning that they're unlikely to side with the government here. It's just that I needed characters to be on the Pro Reg side since, realistically, most DC heroes would be against The Registration Act if it ever happened in the DC Universe anyway.

Posted by GreenLantern2814_

Can I just say this is badly done? If you're seriously considering putting all the Green Lanterns as pro reg and all the flashes, then you really don't know much about their characters. Allen Scott, as you pointed out, was once White King at Checkmate. Depending on the timeline, he could be pro, anti or neutral.

Hal would definitely be against pro reg, as would Guy, potentially John and Kyle I could see signing up as pro reg. For the Flash family, Jay would go neutral or anti (Possibly retire again), Barry would probably argue that registration is a good idea. Wally could be any of the three options, Bart would be against, as a teenager and a member of the Titans.

Edited by Lvenger

@transformers1024: Probably on the anti heroes side or serving in the role of The Punisher in this conflict. Hey that's what I should have put him as in the first place, Jason totally fits the role of The Punisher here with his anti hero agenda and lethal methods doesn't he?

Posted by Transformers1024

Where would Jason Todd go?

Posted by Lvenger

@vandinejd_1991: Hmmm good point actually. They could play the role of the mind controlled villains that were used in Civil War or they could just be neutral and running free based on the chaos the Civil War would be causing.

Posted by vandinejd_1991

Where are Batman's enemies?

Edited by Lvenger

@kidamazo29: Interesting idea. Not sure which DC characters would fit where though.

Posted by kidamazo29

How about you try to create a list for the 50 state initiative

Edited by Justthatkid

They could of used Markovia as a base for the insurgency in Injustice this is a cool idea :)

Posted by SpiderFan1

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought of this.

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Posted by Darksider555

@lvenger said:

@flazam: I've seen better but thank you. Also I understand you and @arkhamc1tizen: want to do another list. He's asked me already and I've said it's fine :)

@captainlantern76 had the second best list but yours makes more sense,your point about Hal being Pro-Reg leader makes more sense than Superman being Pro-Reg. But I agree with Ray Palmer being Pro , Jason Todd being Punisher in the event and some other stuff. But basicly your idea should be adapted by DC. Right now!!!

Edited by Lvenger

@flazam: I've seen better but thank you. Also I understand you and @arkhamc1tizen: want to do another list. He's asked me already and I've said it's fine :)

Posted by flazam

Best List on Comic vine!!! It should be pinned

Posted by Lvenger
Posted by Arkhamc1tizen

@lvenger said:

@arkhamc1tizen: Thank you. This is like my pet project on Comicvine and one of the most popular things I've done on here. It's generated a lot of off shoots which I'd recommend looking at too.

oh can you give me links

Posted by Lvenger

@arkhamc1tizen: Thank you. This is like my pet project on Comicvine and one of the most popular things I've done on here. It's generated a lot of off shoots which I'd recommend looking at too.

Posted by Arkhamc1tizen

epic list

Posted by flazam

@lvenger said:

@flazam: Put who in charge? Me? No I'd be no good at coordinating events. I'd actually make it good which is something DC and Marvel don't want :P

lol

Posted by Lvenger

@flazam: Put who in charge? Me? No I'd be no good at coordinating events. I'd actually make it good which is something DC and Marvel don't want :P

Posted by flazam

okay if they do DC civil war put this guy incharge

Posted by Lvenger

@thor_ul: This is a first I have to say. Usually it's other things people object to but Batman being Pro Registration? I just can't see it. Hell I could be convinced Superman might reluctantly be on the Pro Reg side but Batman? He just doesn't seem to fit. The Pro Reg side would require him to give up his identity and independence, something he wholly relies on for his war on crime in Gotham. Batman Inc operates outside of the government's control in each country a representative is in so I can't see how he would be on the Pro Reg side given his relationship with the law.

Oh and @bluelantern1995: go right ahead. Other people have asked permission for the same thing and their lists have been very impressive. Just tell me when you've made it as I'd like to see what you've come up with :P

Posted by BlueLantern1995

@lvengerI've always found this list to be fascinating. Some things I disagree with(like Batman being Anti-Registration) but other than those one or two problems. I agree with the bulk of it...Good job. Might make my own list like this if you don't mind.

Posted by Thor_Ul

Batman anti-registration? At first sight, could be. But, is?

WHO built Brother Eye (In 2 different continuities)? WHO had a secret cabinet with secrets plans to take down his friends?(again in 2 different continuities) WHO is a millionare playboy by day in the same fashion of Iron Man? WHO also as obsession with high tech toys and spies on his friends like Iron Man?

For me Bruce Wayne is the ultimate paranoid -control freak. He would said he is anti registration but surreptitiously he would be manipulating the pro side to take the control for himself and put himself or some puppet character in control. He like secrets? Yes, but only if those are his secrets. The rest of the world can't keep their own secrets from the obsessive Batman.

Batman, poster face for the pro side, I say.

Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

This is a good list

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Posted by Lvenger

@dngn4774: To the forums? I've never thought of doing that. Might be an interesting blog post. But I'm sure your work on this subject matter will be far better than mine! KRspacet compiled a far superior DC Civil War list than I could ever hope to achieve. I'll look out for your writing on a DC Civil War fan fic! Is it a fan fic or something else?

Posted by dngn4774

I really love your list, I'm planning on doing something similar in my writings as well. It'd be cool if you brought an issue like this to the forums as well.

Posted by name_already_chosen

I agree. To be honest, with all the bad things dones by the government in Marvel comics, the idea that anyone would trust them was the most unbelievable part about the whole Civil War atrocity of a story arc. It's as though no one in Marvel has the attention span to remember all the terrible things the government has done by way of Gyrich with the Avengers, for example, or Hydra in the White House, or the replacement of Steve Rogers with the Super-Patriot as the new Captain America.

It has been said many times in comic book circles that Siege was Marvel's apology for Civil Wars, which is why Norman Osborn becomes the "Iron Man" character of his warped version of the Avengers. Osborn was transformed from Spider-Man's great nemesis into Iron Man's "oh my god what have I done???" nemesis, in many ways behaving in the Siege story arc as a nasty parody of Iron Man's worst actions during the Civil Wars story arc.

I notice that in the films, Marvel has been very careful to present a Tony Stark who would NEVER be on the pro-Reg side!

Posted by Lvenger

@name_already_chosen: Thanks for the very interesting points! Made for some entertaining reading! I particularly liked the mention of the Task Force X/Suicide Squad links. It did remind me that the DCU would be less likely to trust the government to control them.

Posted by name_already_chosen

It seems highly unlikely that any superhero who knows about Task Force X or Project Cadmus would trust the government to behave responsibly with a superhero registration such as occurred in the Marvel Comics, as this would have meant that President Lex Luthor would have known the names of all registered superheroes (is there anything Lex wouldn't have done to Ma and Pa Kent to bend Superman to his will? or to Alfred to control The Batman?) amd that Amanda Wallace would have had control over all unregistered superheroes who ended up in prison for violation of the Registration Act -- and Cadmus would have had easy access to their DNA to build all the Soldiers of Mass Destruction that Generals Eiling and Lane could imagine.

Posted by name_already_chosen

Some of your choices make sense. However, none of the original Justice Society members, such as Alan Scott or Jay Garrick would ever join the pro-Registration side because they dealt with this once before under Senator McCarthy's malevolent ambitions in the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

The original Justice Society had disbanded specifically in protest of the pro-Registration efforts back in the 1950s, and history has vindicated them repeatedly since then. Therefore, not only would they openly refuse a Registration movement, they would advise everyone who looks up to them to refuse it as well.

Similarly, if Billy Batson, Mary Batson, or Freddy Freeman utilized the wisdom of Solomon, they would know ahead of time what the Marvel mini-series proved: that superhero registration is a terrible idea and only enables mad dogs such as Senator McCarthy, Norman Osborn, and certain recent political figures to grab onto a fascistic level of power.

Posted by Lvenger

Thanks. It's my labour of love on here.

Posted by cameron83

love it

Posted by Lvenger

@Backflip: I've had that comment before too. I'd like to think though that with Superman, MM and Supergirl out the picture, things are a bit more fair. But yeah on balance the Anti Reg side are outgunned.

PG was a mole on that team for Superman and Batman in that story along with Katana. She never trusted Luthor in government.

Flashpoint was Cyborg's chance to become better known in a bigger role before the reboot hence the fact in the Flashpoint reality, he was America/Earth's greatest hero instead of Superman.

Perhaps he may take a Namor role in the conflict. Though Aquaman does offer the Pro reg side some major support in terms of Atlantis as a base though.

Nice reasoning about the Lanterns and Flashes. I should have considered that when I did this list.

Posted by Backflip

I think power wise, the Anti-Reg are definitely outnumbered.

Maybe I'm just taking into account Superman and Batman when Power Girl joined up with the government sponsered team that Luthor implemented.

For Cyborg it was actually his portrayal in Flashpoint that most swayed me but I understand what you mean.

Sorry to stereotype, but I think Aquaman would probably go the way you say, but ultimately stay out of it in the interest of Atlantis, but again, similarly to Namor, gives a hand when needed.

I actually agree with the Flashes, and the Lanterns. Kyle just seems to be the one who role has been most detached from Hal and he seems like the one more inclined to follow his personal morality as always, partly because he doesn't have the Military background of Hal or John, and Guy has more allies amongst the Pro reg anyway. He's effectively Sue Storm. All of Bart's buddies are on Anti-Reg, and pardon the pun, but he's too impulsive not to desert the Pro-Reg. Finally Wally has the Titans on the Anti-Reg. Although he'd probably stick it out for the long run, even if he had moral regrets. Alternatively, he's Johnny

Posted by Lvenger

@Backflip said:

Other additions to the Pro Side. Magog and The Rogues (In the same vein as the Thunderbolts).

I'd also reckon that Booster Gold, Cyborg and Power Girl would actually be Pro Reg.

Aquaman might remain neutral me thinks.

Kyle, Bart Allen and perhaps Wally West would all desert the Pro Reg side eventually I think.

Those are two good additions. Why didn't I think of that?

Good point about Booster though since this takes place in the Pre New 52 universe, I felt that Cyborg and PG would join the Anti Reg side.

If the Pro Reg side tried to get Aquaman to register (which they would) he'd be inclined to join the Anti Reg side. He's never been a fan of surface dwellers and if they tried to interfere in Atlantean buisness, he'd let the Pro reg side know what it means to p*** off an undersea kingdom.

Perhaps but I needed more people on the Pro Reg side. Hence the GLs and the Flashes. Nice comment though.

Posted by Backflip

Other additions to the Pro Side. Magog and The Rogues (In the same vein as the Thunderbolts).

I'd also reckon that Booster Gold, Cyborg and Power Girl would actually be Pro Reg.

Aquaman might remain neutral me thinks.

Kyle, Bart Allen and perhaps Wally West would all desert the Pro Reg side eventually I think.

Posted by Lvenger

@7DEADPOOL7: It was just a What If? scenario. I doubt DC would replicate this. This was just my idea of What If DC thought of Civil War first and had done it instead of Marvel. But thanks for the positive comments!

Posted by 7DEADPOOL7

Perfect list it would be cool if they did this but obviously there would be the issue of people criticizing it for copying the premise Marvel used. Still fun to think about though.

Posted by Lvenger

@Deranged Midget: I do consider this my greatest labour of love on here. This was one of the earliest things I did I believe. And it's the most popular thing I've done. I have had criticism but it's all been good and directed at certain characters and their true motives. A user called krspacet asked my permission to make his own DC Civil War list and his list is awesome too.

Posted by Deranged Midget

Brilliant list and I love that you kept Clark neutral. He would definitely despise the idea of choosing sides against his friends.

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