#1 Edited by G-Man (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

ALL-NEW X-MEN #30

(W) Brian Michael Bendis (A) Sara Pichelli (CA) Stuart Immonen

• Past, present and future collide as the Future Brotherhood exacts their final judgment on the All-New X-Men.

• Plus, Angel takes control!

Item Code: MAY140881In Shops: 8/13/2014SRP: $3.99

#2 Posted by Teerack (7456 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

#3 Posted by thenexusrebound (250 posts) - - Show Bio

I have missed having a book with Sara Pichelli's art in it. It makes it even better that she is drawing X-23.

#4 Posted by LordMordor (191 posts) - - Show Bio

like the art...and I do like finally having x-23 grow more as a person, have relationships, go out and have fun/enjoy life, just not sure if I would picture her being a dance club type person. At least not yet anyway...she was still getting used to casual contact/hugs between friends while Scott was still with the group, now she is a dancer?

Seems like to big a jump in her development.

#5 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio
@teerack said:

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

This is character destruction at it's finest, don't fall for it man! Bendis is messes up everything he touches! He has no clue on how to write! and this is a horrible pairing...

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#6 Posted by dondave (38901 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol

#7 Posted by RaggedScarecrow (948 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: I think Bendis can write well, but he just doesn't fully grasp certain characters. In both of his X-Men books there are characters who act and speak in ways that differ from their past depictions. In Uncanny, it's Emma Frost, but in All New it's Laura. Ever since Bendis nabbed her, post-Avengers Arena, she's been a mess of contradictions. She's willing to kill, despite having just survived a month-long deathmatch wherein she very nearly murdered a bunch of her closest friends; her speech pattern is just utterly wrong and lacking in the perfect grammar that she has always used; and she's practically throwing herself at the team's nearest available alpha male (first T!Cyclops now T!Angel). It's sad because she was one of the first characters I met in the Marvel Universe (my gateway comic was Kyle and Yost's New X-Men.) and now it's like I don't even recognize her. Art's very pretty though, but when it comes to Pichelli that's no surprise.

#8 Posted by Paste_Pot_Pete (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Could we have one cover that isn't X-23 making out with someone?

#9 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: I think Bendis can write well, but he just doesn't fully grasp certain characters. In both of his X-Men books there are characters who act and speak in ways that differ from their past depictions. In Uncanny, it's Emma Frost, but in All New it's Laura. Ever since Bendis nabbed her, post-Avengers Arena, she's been a mess of contradictions. She's willing to kill, despite having just survived a month-long deathmatch wherein she very nearly murdered a bunch of her closest friends; her speech pattern is just utterly wrong and lacking in the perfect grammar that she has always used; and she's practically throwing herself at the team's nearest available alpha male (first T!Cyclops now T!Angel). It's sad because she was one of the first characters I met in the Marvel Universe (my gateway comic was Kyle and Yost's New X-Men.) and now it's like I don't even recognize her. Art's very pretty though, but when it comes to Pichelli that's no surprise.

Well I don't forgive that, not writing great stories involving a character is one thing, but not reading any previous material about a character when agreeing to write her is just stupid and very arrogant. Bendis has never read any story involving X-23, which is pretty clear from his writing. As a writer,it should be his job to acquire previous knowledge about an established protagonist , but he doesn't care, because he does what he wants, and that's why he is an idiot.

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#10 Edited by DardVader (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Call me crazy, but i really miss the pseudo-relationship between X-23 and Cyclops.

#11 Posted by Teerack (7456 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Her dating Warren is character destruction.... how? Warren is one of the few X-Men who was cool enough to leave the X-Men and go be a relevant part of the Marvel Universe up till he rejoined the X-Men and had everything that made him cool lobotomized by the X-Men.

#12 Edited by TDK_1997 (15097 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

This is character destruction at it's finest, don't fall for it man! Bendis is messes up everything he touches! He has no clue on how to write! and this is a horrible pairing...

This is an abominal book indeed. The sad thing is that I am starting to like his Uncanny X-Men. :(

#13 Edited by Teerack (7456 posts) - - Show Bio
@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:
@teerack said:

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

This is character destruction at it's finest, don't fall for it man! Bendis is messes up everything he touches! He has no clue on how to write! and this is a horrible pairing...

This is an abominal book indeed. The sad thing is that I am starting to like his Uncanny X-Men. :(

With the Exception of Kitty Pryde and X-23 who just spend a year being completely broken by Arcade(so should be acting different) none of the characters in this book are characters that have been around before... The title is ALL NEW X-Men. They may be Jean, Scott, Hank, Bobby, and Warren, but they are now alternate versions of their original selves, so you really shouldn't project expectations onto them...

#14 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:
@teerack said:

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

This is character destruction at it's finest, don't fall for it man! Bendis is messes up everything he touches! He has no clue on how to write! and this is a horrible pairing...

This is an abominal book indeed. The sad thing is that I am starting to like his Uncanny X-Men. :(

With the Exception of Kitty Pryde and X-23 who just spend a year being completely broken by Arcade(so should be acting different) none of the characters in this book are characters that have been around before... The title is ALL NEW X-Men. They may be Jean, Scott, Hank, Bobby, and Warren, but they are now alternate versions of their original selves, so you really shouldn't project expectations onto them...

As I've explained in the past, this is not how change happens, X-23 had a very clear character, and being broken morally could have many different effects, but f*cking warren, talking like a typical teenager and and going to night clubs is not one of them. This is character destruction, and I don't care about the X-team, Just x-23, and she is being destroyed, therefore this series is completely crap to me.

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#15 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@theacidskull: Her dating Warren is character destruction.... how? Warren is one of the few X-Men who was cool enough to leave the X-Men and go be a relevant part of the Marvel Universe up till he rejoined the X-Men and had everything that made him cool lobotomized by the X-Men.

This isn't about Warren, it could be any other guy, it's the fact that X-23 goes around doing stupid crap with him that bothers me. Seriously, she use to be a prostitute and it was quite clear that it was a dark time in her life so her f*cking warren or having any physical contact with him is bad writing. When X-23 likes someone, she usually has a hard time dealing with her feelings, and now that she was further damaged by Arcade, she should go back to cutting herself or something like that, or at least show that she is shy around Warren. No matter what you say, X-23 has gone through a 180 degree change, and it's not organic, not even a little, and neither is her relationship with Warren.

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#16 Posted by CaptainMarvel4Ever (4977 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess people are right about X-Men being a soap opera

#18 Edited by AwesomePerson (980 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought she liked Scott... Guess she's a daddy's daughter...

#19 Edited by Teerack (7456 posts) - - Show Bio
@theacidskull said:

@teerack said:

@theacidskull: Her dating Warren is character destruction.... how? Warren is one of the few X-Men who was cool enough to leave the X-Men and go be a relevant part of the Marvel Universe up till he rejoined the X-Men and had everything that made him cool lobotomized by the X-Men.

This isn't about Warren, it could be any other guy, it's the fact that X-23 goes around doing stupid crap with him that bothers me. Seriously, she use to be a prostitute and it was quite clear that it was a dark time in her life so her f*cking warren or having any physical contact with him is bad writing. When X-23 likes someone, she usually has a hard time dealing with her feelings, and now that she was further damaged by Arcade, she should go back to cutting herself or something like that, or at least show that she is shy around Warren. No matter what you say, X-23 has gone through a 180 degree change, and it's not organic, not even a little, and neither is her relationship with Warren.

Or her experience with Arcade has made her so damaged she needs to distract herself with impulsive things like a real person would. She probably has a mix of fear and survivors guilt any time she's left to think, because of her sexually abused past it actually makes a lot of sense for her to act this way. One pain is lesser then the other is usually the logic people in similar situations use when they do self destructive/rash things like this after something so traumatizing.

#20 Posted by scavengerFist (145 posts) - - Show Bio

Missing Laura's serious, no-noesense personality. *sigh*

#21 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:
@theacidskull said:

@teerack said:

@theacidskull: Her dating Warren is character destruction.... how? Warren is one of the few X-Men who was cool enough to leave the X-Men and go be a relevant part of the Marvel Universe up till he rejoined the X-Men and had everything that made him cool lobotomized by the X-Men.

This isn't about Warren, it could be any other guy, it's the fact that X-23 goes around doing stupid crap with him that bothers me. Seriously, she use to be a prostitute and it was quite clear that it was a dark time in her life so her f*cking warren or having any physical contact with him is bad writing. When X-23 likes someone, she usually has a hard time dealing with her feelings, and now that she was further damaged by Arcade, she should go back to cutting herself or something like that, or at least show that she is shy around Warren. No matter what you say, X-23 has gone through a 180 degree change, and it's not organic, not even a little, and neither is her relationship with Warren.

Or her experience with Arcade has made her so damaged she needs to distract herself with impulsive things like a real person would. She probably has a mix of fear and survivors guilt any time she's left to think, because of her sexually abused past it actually makes a lot of sense for her to act this way. One pain is lesser then the other is usually the logic people in similar situations use when they do self destructive/rash things like this after something so traumatizing.

Tell me where exactly do you see X-23 feeling guilty? Or scared? She isn't an idiot, and she is far stronger mentally than a lot of kids from Avengers Arena, so it makes absolutely zero sense that she would act this way, especially when other far weaker kids who have suffered less managed to pull themselves together. All I see is her butting in with the nearest alpha male. Cram all the logic you want behind it, doesn't change my final verdict. Bendis just destroyed a good character. Instead of taking her somewhere, he inorganically changed her completely. Even if the transition makes sense, which it doesn't, x-23 isn't the same, not even a little. Everything I liked about her has been taken away, and no she goes around sleeping with different guys.

This sucks, Bendis sucks, and I hope no other writer takes inspiration from this.

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#22 Edited by Teerack (7456 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: None of them pulled themselves together if you're reading Avengers Undercover. Laura was one of the more mentally damaged kids going into the experience. There is a difference between writing a character wrong and not writing it the way you would prefer.

#23 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18810 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@theacidskull: None of them pulled themselves together if you're reading Avengers Undercover. Laura was one of the more mentally damaged kids going into the experience. There is a difference between writing a character wrong and not writing it the way you would prefer.

I'm reading Avengers undercover, none of them are acting THAT radically differently, maybe Bloodstone is, but aside from him they also seem relatively the same.They pulled themselves together, but the damage is done, and they haven't fully recovered. I'm not saying that they haven't changed, because that would be a flat out lie, but they weren't flipped over and altered completely. Also, you're right, there is a difference, sadly Bendis is flat out writing her wrongly, there is a reason why we like a character, and eliminating these attractions means something is wrong. It may not bother you, but bendis has destroyed Laura, everything that made her unique and cool has been stripped away. A writer should make change gradual and interesting, like it was done in Avengers Academy. Bendis used a stupid a excuse to write a character in whatever way he liked.

Laura has more experience dealing with these hard situations, she was tortured, tormented, and etc, so this radical difference is in no way warranted. Bendis saw an easy way out, and he took it, which is lazy.

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#24 Edited by sparty-dbq (850 posts) - - Show Bio

Laura was an assassin and underage prostitute which left her emotionally distant and desensitized to sex. So of course she's going to hit up a dance club and wind up in bed with a guy she barely knows. Ugh, so glad I dropped this book.

#25 Posted by ShadowPro (1812 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

I love this pairing. Bendis draws a hot X-23 o///o

so this is his art= great, she looks hotter then ever, or usual

but I would have loved to see laurea and scott, that would've been hilarious