Posted by G-Man (29415 posts) - - Show Bio

You may have already heard the news. Or perhaps you already figured it out when Marvel teased the wedding that was coming out. If you've somehow managed to avoid hearing about this, I'd be pretty surprised. But this is your final warning before proceeding.

ASTONISHING X-MEN #50

Today ABC's The View, Marvel announced that Jean-Paul Beaubier, AKA Northstar, proposes to his boyfriend Kyle Jinadu in tomorrow's issue. Northstar first revealed his sexual orientation back in 1992's ALPHA FLIGHT #106. Marjorie Liu and Mike Perkins are putting the relationship to the test and they're about to take their biggest step yet. The question is, how smoothly will their path to wedded matrimony be?

Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso made the following statement:

The Marvel Universe has always reflected the world outside your window, so we strive to make sure our characters, relationships and stories are grounded in that reality. We’ve been working on this story for over a year to ensure Northstar and Kyle's wedding reflects Marvel's "world outside your window" tradition.
== TEASER ==

Marjorie Liu said:

The story of Northstar and Kyle is universal, and at the core of everything I write: a powerful love between two people who have to fight for it against all odds. This is the quintessential Marvel story, one that blends the modern world with the fantasy of super heroes in order to tell an exciting story that begins with a wedding—and continues in ways you can’t imagine.

If anyone knows how to write relationships, it's Liu.

The wedding is set to take place in ASTONISHING X-MEN #51. Here's a preview for tomorrow's issue.

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#1 Posted by cattlebattle (12275 posts) - - Show Bio

Christ....
 
Its like who can exploit homosexuality first...Marve or DC...
 
the race is on....

#2 Posted by 1fearless1 (62 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

#3 Posted by Webjaker (366 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, it would mean more if they had just done it, instead of waiting till it was 'cool' and announcing it with fanfair... 'Look how progressive and cool we are!!!'

At least with marvel, this has been in the works as a natural progression - the public announcements were unnecessary - but DC is just changing someone gay ... because .... ... ?

Now if they made Clark Kent gay ...THAT ...might be a story.

I mean what is this world coming to - next thing you know Wonder woman will wear pants ...

#4 Posted by Greenflashlight (183 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh Ok well good for them hope fully marvel will also let Flatman and Living Lighting find someone as well

#5 Posted by Peregrine (155 posts) - - Show Bio

What's up with Marvel trying to copy Archie Comics?

#6 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

...Umm okay. Does anyone really care that much??

#7 Posted by IronAngelX (172 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously?! DC and Marvel are competing now over who is more gay? I never thought I'd see the day.

#8 Posted by ThePRez (269 posts) - - Show Bio

Now Archie comics are laughing at Marvel for the wedding

#9 Posted by pikahyper (10353 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: lol, FTW!

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#10 Posted by Green ankh (997 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF

#11 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30740 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought that everything in comics is all about undoing marriages? what's the message Marvel's trying to convey, only gay people can be happily married? I call bullsh!t

at least DC has an excuse to do their thing since they completely rebooted their universe and changed all sorts of characters in other ways

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#12 Posted by jemckinn214 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really think that there's anything wrong with this. Its just part of the story. I haven't read many comics with him, but hasn't Northstar been an openly gay character for awhile? This just seems like part of the characters story.

#13 Posted by Thunderscream (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a hot topic, I get it.....and excuse me, but how about celebrating Marvel AND DC's support of the gay community instead of pointing fingers acting like it's all about exploitation? As Marvel's first openly gay character, I think it's a natural step for Northstar to propose to his bf in the wake of a handful of states legalizing and the President of the United States voicing support for equal rights for all.

#14 Posted by Mecha_Booshh91 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

And thank YOU for letting everyone know just how ignorant you are. :) Have fun living in the dark ages where there is segregation, women have no right to vote, and there's a king yelling at you about which religion to practice. I hope you're happy there :)

#15 Posted by capelesscrusader (103 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thunderscream: ::slowclap:: to you, sir. To you.

#16 Posted by kennybaese (1002 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't have any problem with homosexual characters in comics, and I think they're important, but it does feel a bit exploitative to release press releases about two gay characters getting married.

Oh well, take the good with the bad I guess.

#17 Posted by rogue_mar1e (19831 posts) - - Show Bio

Yay!!!

(Wow, so many ignorant homophobes here.)

#18 Posted by kagato (243 posts) - - Show Bio

Good for them, i know its all about image and i know its probably not the deep and meaningfull version of events gay readers are craving, but its a start right? Im happy to see DC and Marvel embrace a bigger world and hope they will continue to make their characters more diverse as they go on.

#19 Edited by TwistedGamer (79 posts) - - Show Bio

Northstar is just taking the next logical step...not sure why everyone is so upset about it.

#20 Edited by Webjaker (366 posts) - - Show Bio

and

No one is upset about the gay marriage (at least not here) its that they ARE making such a big deal -basically having press conferences, and DC jumping on the bandwagon after specifically stating they would NOT change anyone's sexual orientation , then right after Marvel hints at a gay marriage (Children's crusade) and the President coming out in favor of gay marriage, they jumped on the bandwagon. Just seems like a 'hey look at us, we're cool too right guys??" - moment

#21 Posted by rogue_mar1e (19831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thunderscream said:

It's a hot topic, I get it.....and excuse me, but how about celebrating Marvel AND DC's support of the gay community instead of pointing fingers acting like it's all about exploitation? As Marvel's first openly gay character, I think it's a natural step for Northstar to propose to his bf in the wake of a handful of states legalizing and the President of the United States voicing support for equal rights for all.

Yes, this.

#22 Posted by ArtisticNeedham (2156 posts) - - Show Bio

So Marvel is having one of their gay X-Men get married, and DC has announced that one of their major characters will reveal he or she is gay.

#23 Posted by Video_Martian (5631 posts) - - Show Bio

WHOA, Homophobia in the house...

I'm glad Northstar is finally getting married. :)

#24 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thunderscream said:

It's a hot topic, I get it.....and excuse me, but how about celebrating Marvel AND DC's support of the gay community instead of pointing fingers acting like it's all about exploitation? As Marvel's first openly gay character, I think it's a natural step for Northstar to propose to his bf in the wake of a handful of states legalizing and the President of the United States voicing support for equal rights for all.

because comic companies (like Marvel and DC) specifically go out of their way to undo marriages and it's not equality to make it okay for homosexual characters to be married in comics but not heterosexual characters, it's just the same problem

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#25 Posted by IronAngelX (172 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, I also want to point out something, I'm pretty sure not ALL of those characters in that variant cover would attend a homosexual wedding. I don't think Wolverine just accepts it, he's probably as disgusted with homosexual behavior as any other biker or rough neck....then again though....he is Canadian.

#26 Posted by BigBDawg (256 posts) - - Show Bio

This is going to be very interesting for sure. :) I hope Marvel can do Jean-Paul and Kyle's wedding very well, considering many writers have handled Jean-Paul's sexuality very well without making it seem like a gimmick or anything. So congrats around!

#27 Posted by newxfactor (86 posts) - - Show Bio

What is Storm doing in NY? And why aren't there the Utopian X-Men?? Do they hate Northstar??

#28 Posted by browell3 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm I the only person that is more disturbed by Gambit trying to put moves on 2 ladies(I use the term loosely) at 1 time then the actual marriage? He and Rogue are no longer an item and.....Trance? At least she seems excited.

#29 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thunderscream said:

It's a hot topic, I get it.....and excuse me, but how about celebrating Marvel AND DC's support of the gay community instead of pointing fingers acting like it's all about exploitation? As Marvel's first openly gay character, I think it's a natural step for Northstar to propose to his bf in the wake of a handful of states legalizing and the President of the United States voicing support for equal rights for all.

Bravo to you, sir.

#30 Posted by deadpool25mm (545 posts) - - Show Bio

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

omg... this whole gay stuff is so sick, is Marvel out of their minds?!

#31 Posted by newxfactor (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Did anyone notice that Ernst and Martha Johansson are together in the #51 cover? I'm glad they are together finally :)

#32 Edited by X35 (5972 posts) - - Show Bio

So.......does Aurora get two invitations to the wedding or what.......

#33 Posted by Aiden Cross (15513 posts) - - Show Bio

@TwistedGamer said:

Northstar is just taking the next logical step...not sure why everyone is so upset about it.

This.

#34 Posted by feargalr (1123 posts) - - Show Bio

@Webjaker said:

Yeah, it would mean more if they had just done it, instead of waiting till it was 'cool' and announcing it with fanfair... 'Look how progressive and cool we are!!!'

This is true, but at the same time, who really cares,

#35 Posted by pingclang (192 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

#36 Posted by Tintallin (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@Webjaker said:

and

No one is upset about the gay marriage (at least not here) its that they ARE making such a big deal -basically having press conferences, and DC jumping on the bandwagon after specifically stating they would NOT change anyone's sexual orientation , then right after Marvel hints at a gay marriage (Children's crusade) and the President coming out in favor of gay marriage, they jumped on the bandwagon. Just seems like a 'hey look at us, we're cool too right guys??" - moment

What Webjaker said so well. This wasn't even a blip on my "Give a crap" meter. Just write the stories. We, the fans, will read. Be gay. Be straight. Whatever. Just write a good story. You want to impress me? Have Wolverine marry Jean Grey. Now that's a story!

#37 Edited by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't care i'm not reading x-men anyway.

#38 Posted by Lvenger (16017 posts) - - Show Bio

Admittedly this is a bit of a publicity stunt but at least comic book companies like Marvel and DC are not showing the same neglect and ignorance some Americans show towards gay marriage and openly embrace the concept of it. Plus it makes sense storywise for the characters to be getting married.

#39 Posted by Joe Venom (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what really bothers me, is that there is no homophobic characters out there just a bunch of faces overjoyed to hear these two are getting married. Many of these characters are old and from a different time, era, world?, etc. it will be really weird if no one in this story doesn't have a difference of opinion.

#40 Posted by leokearon (1707 posts) - - Show Bio

Good to see that things are going well for Northstar

#41 Posted by Weapon-Alpha (145 posts) - - Show Bio

And when did Midnighter and Apollo get married? lol

I doubt Wolverine would care his philosophy is basically as long and they aren't causing trouble for him or anyone else and just doing what makes them happy he doesn't care

#42 Posted by wowylied (237 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously this kind of thing is the one i don't care. It put nothing more to the title and Northstar...does anyone really care about him ?

THis is only something created to yell "Look at me (marvel), i am open minded !".

#43 Posted by JohnnyGat (1561 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay...

#44 Posted by Outside_85 (7083 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or is homosexuality suddenly the big thing for both companies? Gay marriages here and DC outing an 'iconic' character.

I suppose such things are very important to portray as actually happening in comics as well as the real world...but come on, could we at least avoid making it look like a reinvention of the wheel...as in just being one guy marrying another guy?

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#45 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7200 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh, i really  don't get what so many people are complaining about, open your mind before you open your mouth more like ? (or in this case, before you type.)
 
On a better note, the cover looks stunning.

#46 Posted by AlKusanagi (550 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell is this preposterous garbage?!?

Muties shouldn't be allowed to marry!!!

#47 Posted by FierceYouth (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Hold up.

So, as an openly gay comic book fan (one of far too few), I find myself only half-heartedly into this. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal representation in the 616, and I love seeing this happen, but how about we have characters actually kissing on-panel before we get to gay marriage? I loved the entire run of Heinberg's Avengers: The Children's Crusade, and in issue #9, when Wiccan and Hulkling first kiss on-panel it was a great moment for fans. What was more, there were allusions to the two getting hitched at some point in the future. But these are characters who have been together literally since their creation (well, for the most part for Billy with that whole reincarnation thing). Since Young Avengers #1, (which came out in 2005 for those of you counting), the two have been a couple (though it wasn't explicitly stated until Young Avengers Presents sometime later).

Kyle, the one marrying Northstar, his first appearance was less than three years ago. I get that for a playboy like Northstar (because seriously, he has always been portrayed that way), this is a long relationship, but Northstar's "long-term boyfriend" is by no means a long-term anything. He's a character who was introduced to try and dissuade readers from seeing Northstar as a stereotypical gay man hooking up with other gay men for the fun of it. While I understand the urge to give their relationship some credence, this is just sloppy. Look at the great love stories of Marvel. Look at how long they've taken to unfold. Reed and Sue, Peter and MJ, Scott and Jean. The last two there didn't get married until the 90's! Throwing characters into marriages isn't giving them more humanity, it's tokenism and it's cheap.

While that's it for my rant, I must also add that despite the bad taste the story leaves in my mouth, I'll be buying it. Because comic book publishers still need to get the hint that they have gay fans who love that they are receiving representation in comics. Because until I don't have to cheer every time I see two guys kissing on-panel, I will. It's news until it starts being the norm. Hopefully that day's coming.

~Nick

#48 Posted by cyberchop979 (449 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

Uh, i really don't get what so many people are complaining about, open your mind before you open your mouth more like ? (or in this case, before you type.) On a better note, the cover looks stunning.

Totally agree.

#49 Posted by FierceYouth (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@IronAngelX said:

Oh, I also want to point out something, I'm pretty sure not ALL of those characters in that variant cover would attend a homosexual wedding. I don't think Wolverine just accepts it, he's probably as disgusted with homosexual behavior as any other biker or rough neck....then again though....he is Canadian.

Uh, yeah. Let's not forget Idie, who still refers to herself as a sinner and as one of the damned because she's a mutant. She's hyper-religious and has constantly been reminding the students at the Jean Grey School that they're all inappropriate sinners. If they write her in and don't have her object to the whole thing, ugh.

I don't know about Logan though. He's been around a good long while and seen plenty. Northstar's pretty badass, and I think Wolverine would judge him on that more so than being gay. Besides, he hardly fits most biker stereotypes... (remember the whole also-a-samurai thing?)

#50 Posted by aerokinesis (529 posts) - - Show Bio

Double U E.R.kay