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WINTER SOLDIER: THE BITTER MARCH #3

(W) Rick Remender (A) Roland Boschi (CA) Andrew Robinson

• SHIELD agent Ran Shen vs the Winter Soldier with the fate of the Cold War in the wings!

• Hydra's top agents move in.

• High octane spy-fi action in the mighty Marvel style!

Item Code: FEB140749 In Shops: 4/16/2014 SRP: $3.99

#1 Posted by CoryNick (63 posts) - - Show Bio

Love this book so far!! Looks like more great stuff is coming!

#2 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@corynick said:

Love this book so far!! Looks like more great stuff is coming!

Completely agreed!

#3 Posted by sparty-dbq (820 posts) - - Show Bio

*Snicker* "Shockey Dan?" Really?

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33959 posts) - - Show Bio

@corynick said:

Love this book so far!! Looks like more great stuff is coming!

Completely agreed!

There needs to be more Winter Soldier

#5 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

#6 Posted by Ashr (89 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like the variant cover. The regular covers have had an Austin Powers, 1970s feel to them.

#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33959 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Yea pretty much but Bucky needs a new ongoing.

#8 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Yea pretty much but Bucky needs a new ongoing.

Completely agree. The only reason I'm getting All New Invaders is because it has Bucky in it. Oh what I would give to have Brubaker back on a Bucky title.....

#9 Posted by War Killer (20343 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

@jonny_anonymous said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Yea pretty much but Bucky needs a new ongoing.

Completely agree. The only reason I'm getting All New Invaders is because it has Bucky in it. Oh what I would give to have Brubaker back on a Bucky title.....

That's the only reason I'm reading Invaders as well...since Bucky's last series got canned he's basically been left in limbo, aside from a random appearance here and there. You'd think from how amazing Captain America: TWS was that Marvel would be wanting to push the character more...

#10 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

#11 Posted by War Killer (20343 posts) - - Show Bio
@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

#12 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33959 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:
@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

#13 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

I don't necessarily dislike what he's doing...it's just different from what I'm used to read in regards to Cap (aka Brubaker) so I'm not totally loving it.

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I completely agree. "Winter Soldier" is just to sell the books. But they're also not totally wrong because Bucky has technically appeared in every issue. It really sucks but at least we're getting "TWO" titles with Bucky in it, right?

#14 Posted by Xwraith (19413 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

#15 Edited by War Killer (20343 posts) - - Show Bio

@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:
@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

I liked his Dimension Z storyline, but since then I've really come to hate his run. Remender has stated multiple times that he wants to write like old 70s crazy sci-fi stories for Cap, yet those are the exact kind of stories I feel DON'T work for Cap. What made Ed Brubaker's run such as a success, and ultimately what boosted Cap's popularity, was that it focused on Cap as a soldier, not a superhero, and was more grounded in reality (as close as you can in comics, that is). But Remender is doing the exact opposite of that and going to wacky weird sci-fi stories.

I mean we went from cool, corporate soldier/mercenary villains like Winter Soldier, Crossbones, and Alexander Lukin to guys like...

Am I the ONLY one who thinks this guy looks completely stupid? I mean I know it's a comic, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere...like, seriously. -____-

#16 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:
@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

I liked his Dimension Z storyline, but since then I've really come to hate his run. Remender has stated multiple times that he wants to write like old 70s crazy sci-fi stories for Cap, yet those are the exact kind of stories I feel DON'T work for Cap. What made Ed Brubaker's run such as a success, and ultimately what boosted Cap's popularity, was that it focused on Cap as a soldier, not a superhero, and was more grounded in reality (as close as you can in comics, that is). But Remender is doing the exact opposite of that and going to wacky weird sci-fi stories.

I mean we went from cool, corporate soldier/mercenary villains like Winter Soldier, Crossbones, and Alexander Lukin to guys like...

Am I the ONLY one who thinks this guy looks completely stupid? I mean I know it's a comic, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere...like, seriously. -____-

You've literally been nailing how I feel about this series on the head.

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

#17 Edited by War Killer (20343 posts) - - Show Bio
@arturocalakayvee said:
@jonny_anonymous said:

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

I don't necessarily dislike what he's doing...it's just different from what I'm used to read in regards to Cap (aka Brubaker) so I'm not totally loving it.

@war_killer said:

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I completely agree. "Winter Soldier" is just to sell the books. But they're also not totally wrong because Bucky has technically appeared in every issue. It really sucks but at least we're getting "TWO" titles with Bucky in it, right?

Not really, because while Bucky may technically have appeared in every issue so far in of The Bitter March, only appearing a few panels each issue still doesn't justify his name being in the title. When I pick up a title called "Winter Soldier" I expect to the story to be about the Winter Soldier, not him appearing a few panels and the majority of the book being about someone completely different.

At least in Invaders Bucky makes a complete appearance, having actual dialogue, and overall adds to the plot. Issue two of All-New Invaders opens up with Bucky taking down a squad of elite Kree soldiers. That's what I would consider a proper appearance. Not appearing for a few panels and then disappearing for the remainder of the book.

#18 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33959 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:
@war_killer said:
@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

Just from this preview I'm even more sure that's all this mini-series is. The past two issues have had so little of an appearance by Winter Soldier that I'm about ready to drop this title. Issue #2 ended with it appearing like maybe Bucky would have a good fight scene in this issue...but once again it looks like Shen gets all of the panel time and Bucky is left on the sidelines. -____-

To be honest, I think I recall Remender saying that this is the story of how Shen turned coat....But I don't remember him saying Shen would narrate and star in it...regardless though, I hope the pay off of this mini is that Bucky makes a big appearance in the current Captain America arc

He made a short appearance not long ago in Remender's run, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bucky popping up again. My main issue with this mini-series is that it's called "Winter Soldier" yet has very little of an appearance by Bucky to justify that title. Already two issues in and Bucky has barely even made an appearance. I was hoping with how issue #2 ended that we'd finally see Bucky in action, but by the looks of this preview that doesn't appear to be the case here either.

It's beginning to look more and more like Remender is simply using this mini-series to establish HIS own character, Ran Shen, and is just using Bucky as a marketing ploy to draw in fans of that character, but is really pushing a completely different one within the book. They might as well have just called this mini-series "Ran Shen: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I don't like anything Remender is doing in the Cap corner of Marvel.

I liked his Dimension Z storyline, but since then I've really come to hate his run. Remender has stated multiple times that he wants to write like old 70s crazy sci-fi stories for Cap, yet those are the exact kind of stories I feel DON'T work for Cap. What made Ed Brubaker's run such as a success, and ultimately what boosted Cap's popularity, was that it focused on Cap as a soldier, not a superhero, and was more grounded in reality (as close as you can in comics, that is). But Remender is doing the exact opposite of that and going to wacky weird sci-fi stories.

I mean we went from cool, corporate soldier/mercenary villains like Winter Soldier, Crossbones, and Alexander Lukin to guys like...

Am I the ONLY one who thinks this guy looks completely stupid? I mean I know it's a comic, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere...like, seriously. -____-

Welcome to my world with Daredevil.

#19 Edited by Wolverine08 (43761 posts) - - Show Bio

On the topic of Rick Remender's Cap run, I keep trying to get in, but just keep falling out.

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#20 Posted by Xwraith (19413 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

I'm not reading Remender's Captain America. From what I've heard, his Marvel stuff has really dropped in quality since Uncanny X-Force (one of my favorite comics ever) ended.

#21 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

I'm not reading Remender's Captain America. From what I've heard, his Marvel stuff has really dropped in quality since Uncanny X-Force (one of my favorite comics ever) ended.

What has he done post-UXF besides Captain America and Uncanny Avengers? Cap is decent at best, like said above, he's trying to make it too sci-fi instead of soldier, and his Uncanny Avengers is pretty good (though I think overhyped at best).

#22 Posted by Xwraith (19413 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

I'm not reading Remender's Captain America. From what I've heard, his Marvel stuff has really dropped in quality since Uncanny X-Force (one of my favorite comics ever) ended.

What has he done post-UXF besides Captain America and Uncanny Avengers? Cap is decent at best, like said above, he's trying to make it too sci-fi instead of soldier, and his Uncanny Avengers is pretty good (though I think overhyped at best).

Those are the only Marvel books I know he's doing. He's also doing Black Science and Deadly Class for Image.

#23 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

I'm not reading Remender's Captain America. From what I've heard, his Marvel stuff has really dropped in quality since Uncanny X-Force (one of my favorite comics ever) ended.

What has he done post-UXF besides Captain America and Uncanny Avengers? Cap is decent at best, like said above, he's trying to make it too sci-fi instead of soldier, and his Uncanny Avengers is pretty good (though I think overhyped at best).

Those are the only Marvel books I know he's doing. He's also doing Black Science and Deadly Class for Image.

Ah right okay, I forgot about the image. Have you read those at all? Maybe he just hit gold with UXF and can't seem to recover from it.

#24 Posted by Xwraith (19413 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@xwraith said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@jonny_anonymous: I think "Winter Soldier" is just the marketing angle. This isn't really about him, it's about how Shen becomes the Iron Dragon in Captain America.

I was worried Marvel was going to do that.

I read the first issue, but dropped it after that for budget reasons.

You're not really missing out. It's nothing you NEED to read unless you want to learn the origin of the current bad guy in Cap.

I'm not reading Remender's Captain America. From what I've heard, his Marvel stuff has really dropped in quality since Uncanny X-Force (one of my favorite comics ever) ended.

What has he done post-UXF besides Captain America and Uncanny Avengers? Cap is decent at best, like said above, he's trying to make it too sci-fi instead of soldier, and his Uncanny Avengers is pretty good (though I think overhyped at best).

Those are the only Marvel books I know he's doing. He's also doing Black Science and Deadly Class for Image.

Ah right okay, I forgot about the image. Have you read those at all? Maybe he just hit gold with UXF and can't seem to recover from it.

I have to keep myself on a low monthly budget, so I haven't (but I heard that the Venom book he did around the same time as UXF was really good).

#25 Posted by MixMastaMicah5 (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Not the biggest fan of Remender's Captain America but this mini-series is of great quality. I like how the Winter Soldier is being treated as force of nature pretty much.