I don't even have to read much into it to obviously see this is an allegory of the OWS movement, but geez, of all ways they did it, they had to include THIS obscure throwback from the seventies that never even got its own proper series?! I mean why don't we just start to give ongoings to other obscure characters? Why not an ongoing for Ultra the Multi-Alien? Or what about the Space Canine Patrol Agents? Just making a point here that it seems DC is trying to pull out things from its past that didn't work then hoping it will now. I don't know, I may still give both of these a shot.
These books may have had a shot if they were published under an independent label or if they were minis,cause lets face it superhero comic fans aren't interested in stuff like this and with DC on a cancellation frenzy it doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in their longevity either.I'll give Movement a shot IF it happens to have atleast one character that I like.
I have to agree with you completely! Each of the books you mentioned sound amazing! and they've all been mentioned before.
However I gotta say I'm getting annoyed with Marvel for different reasons. In the Marvel Now! there are 6 Avengers series ( not including A+X and Young Avengers); 3 X-Men series and 2 X-Force series, for a total of 5 X-related series (again not counting A+X, Wolverine and the X-Men, or any spine-off solo series); and 2 Wolverine series (still not counting Wolverine and the X-Men- I mean I love the guy but does he need to be the title character in 3 series?)! Do we need the Avengers/ X name plastered over every comic marvel dishes out? It really sucks having some of my favorite characters broken apart from each other and scatter across different comics.
With that said Batman has 4 series in the new 52 and appears in JL and JLI regularly (and cameos any chance he gets).So no DC isn't better with this but is VERY annoying!
A couple of things:
First of all, I'll join the chorus of people saying that neither of these books will be long for this world. DC seems quite committed to their "spaghetti noodle against a wall" strategy, throwing books at the market helter skelter just to see if something random will stick. With a few exceptions, the only things currently sticking are the things DC has always done well--superheroes. So here's what I think DC should do:
1) Commit to a manageable number of ongoing books, featuring the most popular superheroes in DC's stable--and stack the books with the absolute best talent they can find. Then, give them license to do some really creative things with those properties.
2) Don't back off of the fringe books, but stop trying to sell them all as titles that can go the distance. They can't. The New 52 taught us that, at least. Instead, announce ahead of time that these books will be released as miniseries--8-12 issues long--and commit to letting them run their full course, no matter how low the sales numbers get. If sales are higher than expected, great! Commit to another limited mini-series run. If not, at least the story gets finished as the book comes to a close. Less egg on your face, less disappointment on the part of the fans. Staff these books with talent, and tell editorial to give them as wide a berth as possible to tell the stories they want to tell in the way they want to tell them.
Just my two cents.
I LOVE the ideas of those two books. I don't get why people bitch about it. Nowadays people on the internet just so cynical. And @Hastny, if you are interested in those two books but don't want to show some support because you think it's going to be cancelled anyway, and if everybody thinks so, then they will be cancelled. But if you like it and so take action to support them, they probably won't. Stop complaining, love what you love, or there is nothing for you left to be loved by you...
Wow, just what your readers were wanting DC. Preachy, one-sided political views without anything to even mask it. I mean, I like when characters have fierce views that allow them to address certain dated issues, but that's not the main reason you read them. It's about their adventures and heroics and their political views just show up on natural occasions to flesh them out.
These honestly sound like the biggest steaming piles DC has come up with yet. Even worse than the decision of giving Vibe his own on-going.
People, people, the only way to ensure a book doesn't get cancelled is to buy it, and the only way to ensure it does is not to buy it. Saying that you won't buy a book because it is going to be cancelled anyway is a self fulfilling prophecy. If the book interests you, then actually give it a chance. Worst case scenario, you get 8 issues out of any New 52 series before the chopping block comes down. It sucks when a book gets cancelled, but 8 issues is still a lot, more than the average miniseries.
But to be honest, yeah, these books will probably be cancelled super quickly. When you look at the series that didn't last like G.I. Combat, Men at War, Sword of Sorcery, it is unlikely these books will last unless they have some known character in tights on the squad (which they might, we have no information yet). You can't blame DC for these cancellations, at least they are actively trying out new ideas, instead of coasting on the same old thing over and over again. If you need to blame anyone for cancellations of this type of book, blame your fellow fans that aren't giving these unconventional books a chance.
I for one commend DC for taking these risks in the first place. That being said, these two books sound very gimmicky, the whole Occupy Wallstreet thing seems as old hat at this point as a book about the Tea Party would. These books just don't interest me, but that's fine, there are 50 other monthly titles from DC alone to choose from. Every single book doesn't have to be tailored to me. Despite any criticism I may have of DC, the thinking process behind these two books is the same one that gave me books like Animal Man and Dial H.
These both seem like HORRIBLE bases for comics. Out of all their ideas this is what they came up with!?!
a book about super heroes fighting social injustice and a book about rich people going on adventures are bad ideas for comics? Thats exactly what Green Arrow and Iron Man/Batman are.
Yeah and im not reading those either lol
Actually you make it sound better it didnt sound like anything heroic was going to happen in the rich teenager book