@tg1982 was one of the few cap fans in these parts able to have a civilized debate. How I wish he were here.
Here I am... and for the record, I'm actually kind of embarrassed to be a Cap fan right now...One guy (@muyjingo) has a different, and debatable, if not valid, opinion. And he gets ganged up on and bullied? It's kind of pathetic...I've debated with muyjingo on this topic at length and in depth, and not ONCE has a mod needed to come in here and tell us to calm down. Yet it happened here. I hope that you guys (some of which are my friends) can just take a step back and calm down, then be civil towards each other.
Was there something that I said that was offensive? And gang up on him? Seriously?
And yes,he has a different opinion (which is fine). Personally,I don't agree with his opinion. That's fine,too (or at least,I hope it is). The point is that I read his responses,read his blog,etc and then see if I agree/disagree with his argument and why. I've already stated that I disagree with his argument,and why that is the case with each one.Personally,I don't find his argument to be one (at least,the ones about Cap,not the ones that are exclusively about Batman) supported by the facts,that's my prerogative....Am I not allowed to disagree,now? Or was this part not directed at me?
Was there something uncivilized that I did? Am I not allowed to disagree with someone now?
See, this is what I'm talking about. No where did muyjingo say Batman was super human. So that's wrong, and then you insult him by calling him irrational? The irony is that your tag team buddy is the one trying to make a claim of Batman being superhuman...
Tag team buddy? Yes,you've figured us out. We are secretly in cohoots,and you've figured out our sinister tactic of "tag teaming" up on him.
Sarcasm aside,I said that it's arguable that he can be called a borderline superhuman (or below) because of his feats. It isn't a far-fetched or baseless claim. I'm starting to think that you didn't read my responses,or that you're misinterpreting them by taking them out of context.
However,it can be said that,by feats,that Batman is a borderline superhuman or directly underneath the mark. By FEATS. On paper,he's definitely a peak human,and I don't think that that's changing anytime soon. But it isn't too far fetched to say that he's borderline,or at least,directly below the mark....like DIRECTLY below (because it can be argued). :)
Are you people so insecure that they can't handle someone with a disagreeing opinion? I'm mean for crying out loud, does it REALLY matter if a poster, whom you don't really know, thinks that Cap isn't superhuman? Will it mean the end of the world? This is why I hardly ever come on here any more...
How did you get "insecure" and that I couldn't handle a different opinion from that? I just stated that,if anyone would say that Batman is borderline superhuman,that it is a point that can be argued by his feats. I don't know WHERE you got the rest of that from,but quite frankly it's just ridiculous and almost insulting...And who cares if I don't know him? What relevance does that have? Does that mean that I cannot talk to anyone on the vine because I don't know them personally?
And by the way,this is an open forum. Discussing comic books and the things that happen in them are what the forums are FOR. You act as if I slit my wrists just because he believes something different. I thought the initial point was to try to change the opinions of the other,if possible? And if not,then to each his/her own?
@muyjingo if you want to hang out and talk you'll find me at another forum...if you want, let me know. I'll PM it to you, (I think it would be rude to post it on another comic forum).
Also, I think the comic in which the scan for Cap throwing the rock at snipers...is from Captain America: The Chosen and I'm pretty sure it's non-cannon, I might be wrong, but since at the end of it Cap dies by getting stabbed in the eye with a screw driver, by a terrorist.
There now my rant is done.
One last thing, if anyone is curious, my belief is that I think that Cap is in fact Peak of Human Potential, meaning no other human can be physically better than him (and still be human), but there are many that could be, and are, in his range/class, Batman being one of them.
That is also a valid point (last sentence). I personally hold the exact same sentiments. By current standards,though,he would be called superhuman in my opinion.