#101 Edited by Lion_Heart22 (446 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rogan2112:

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France

Leopold von Ranke: "There have been 53 major wars in Europe, France had been a belligerent in 49 of them; UK 43. In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10, giving the French military the best record of any country in Europe".

"France is a nuclear power with the largest nuclear arsenal in Europe, and its nuclear capabilities, just like its conventional forces, have been restructured to rapidly deal with emerging threats.[10]

@tg1982

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think the guy who is looked up to throughout all of the world deserves the title of greatest superhero, and that is Superman. I already said that I love 616 Cap, and I did said it was the author's fault on Ultimate Cap's quote about France so I don't see a worthwhile conflict here.

But I do, however, find your jokes distasteful. After all the U.S has spent the latter half of the XX century fighting and invading nations that are not on the U.S.A's league, and even so, they still lost against Vietnam so...

#102 Posted by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

As I' said, I've been wrong before. I will gladly read through this A. Because I like learning things (especially about history) that I didn't know before, and B. Because it would be completely unfair for me to expect you to go by the facts I came up with, without looking at yous. However, I do have to stand by my statement. In the issue in question, Captain America was almost certainly referring to the Vicci French (and quite possibly) to what he'd learned about the French military and foriegn policy since he woke up. Which, I think (except for the Free French and the French Resistance, which I believe even you would have to admit was a very small proportion of the French

PS. You're only a third correct about Agincourt. Yes, the English Longbowmen were a major factor, however they would have little effect on the overwhelming heavy cavalry employed by the French. Henry V chose the place of the engagement very carefully, on marshy ground specifically to blunt the effectiveness of a cavalry charge. Third, the English army at that time was the best trained, and equipped military force since the Roman Legions. Agincourt is kind of a hobby of mine.

#103 Edited by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lion_Heart22 said:

They used long range weaponry which was considered dishonorable in a contest amongst nobles and knights. A win is a win, but it's not as black and white as you claim.

Actually it kind of is black and white, just as you said. Being outnumbered by your opponent 4 to 1 and still winning, is a crushing defeat for you opponent. It's not like the English were using rifles, it was longbows and the french had plate armor, arrows are no match for plate armor really, the key to victory was really the terrain and weather which the English used to their advantage which is even more impressive since it was obviously France's home turf.

But I do have nothing but respect for France and with the exception of Agencourt and 2 battles in that link you posted:

Battle1: The battle of Yorktown was won by General Washington, with French help, not the other way around, yes the French contributed greatly to that battle but claiming it as THEIR win is kind of wrong. The French comitted 7,800 men, the Americans had 11,100 soldiers comitted to the battle. I'm not saying we could of done it without the French assistance, in fact we couldn't of, but to say it was their victory with us (Americans) helping is misleading.

And not really a specific battle I'm talking about but from 1991 to present day it lists french victories when the majority of the victories were U.N. and they were only a contingent usually a SMALL contingent of the coalition.

Not holding this against France though just saying some of those battles on the site are misleading.

#104 Posted by FearTheLiving (2513 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's America's best super hero or the the best in terms of an ideal super hero. A man who loves his country, from his country (opposed to Superman), and does what ever he can for his country.

Do I like him? Yes, however he's not my favorite.

#105 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lion_Heart22 said:

@tg1982

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think the guy who is looked up to throughout all of the world deserves the title of greatest superhero, and that is Superman. I already said that I love 616 Cap, and I did said it was the author's fault on Ultimate Cap's quote about France so I don't see a worthwhile conflict here.

But I do, however, find your jokes distasteful. After all the U.S has spent the latter half of the XX century fighting and invading nations that are not on the U.S.A's league, and even so, they still lost against Vietnam so...

I agreed with you about Superman being the greatest so I don't see a conflict either.

I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I don't know what jokes you're talking about, if you could clarify I would appreciate it greatly.

#106 Posted by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lion_Heart22:

Yes, they do have the largest nuclear arsenal in Europe, I've always been curious why France felt it neccessary to conduct their last above ground nuclear weapons testing (in the Polynesian Islands 1974) when the last NATO nation to do so (the US, in 62, Britain was in 58), had ceased over a decade earlier?

#107 Posted by Lion_Heart22 (446 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rogan2112: Thank you, it's nice to meet a fellow history buff. And true, I think Captain America would certainly not approved of that armistice that Vicci France signed, thus betraying it's people. Even so, Ultimate Cap should've known better and I hold this against the author, not the character.

You seem to be quite knowledgeable about Agencourt so thank you for you information, it's always nice to learn new things, especially about these topics. :)

@tg1982: You've not offended me mate, I just said I found them distasteful. I was talking about that comment you made about France doing good in the French Revolution because they were fighting french, but I don't hold that against you. Thse kind of comments are always made in these threads and it's hard to separate playful jokes from insults, and I imagine you comment was the latter, so no harm done :)

And also, thank you for your clarification on those misleading battles in that link I posted.

#108 Edited by SpidermanWins (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@tootyghost said:

Spiderman can kick his butt. All he had to do is web sling the shield off, cover captain america in a web cacoon up to his neck, and throw him in quick sand

This isn't a battle, its who is the greatest as a superhero: as in who personifies the qualities that people should have and should look up to. And yes, I agree Spider-Man may win on that front as well as this one but both are close. Captain America, Batman, and others are also worthy candidates for best superhero (though I think Spidey's the best ;). As for the battle you set up, last time I checked, spider-man doesn't have any magic spider-quicksand spray on hand.

#109 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lion_Heart22: Cool, I'm glad I didn't offend, but I didn't make that joke, Rogan2112 did, I just said I thought it was funny. To be fair I also laugh at American jokes to. There was one a Canadian comedian said that was hilarious.

#110 Posted by SpidermanWins (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@IKnowEverything said:

Captain America, Spider-Man, Superman, and Batman (And Perhaps Green Lantern and Thor) make up the heart of the superhero world. Each one brings something else to the table. Is Captain America THE BEST to me? No. Spider-man is the hands down winner for me. Do i understand the reasoning behind Cap? Sure. Just as I do with the aforementioned characters. As mentioned above, its opinion mostly; and which character resonates with you

exactly

#111 Posted by Dhor (282 posts) - - Show Bio

i know the a character is only as good as the writer but that really made me see the character in a different light. as for Cap being the greatest, not even close. outside the US it's really hard to find someone who knows who he is. Even after the movie people still don`t see him as a "superhero".

The greatest superhero is Superman. he created the genre and he`s the standard that every superhero is majored. I understand that Stan Lee took the sidekick notion and made one of the greatest superheros of our time (Spiderman) but keep in mind that for a sidekick to exist there has to be a hero first. my point is that superman created the elements that have since been recombined countless times to create other superheroes.

Don`t get me wrong if Superman have not been invented there would have been others but the comic industri would have been a lot different (not better or worse JUST different)

#112 Posted by Rogan2112 (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lion_Heart22:

As far as the French winning in the French Revolution because they were fighting the French, I'd have made the same statement about the American Civil War.

Btw...The ORIGINAL version of that list I posted, (which was a cut and paste from another list) there were a lot of anti, or insulting France statements that I intentionally cut out, because my point wasn't to insult, or make fun of France. BTW, Btw, I thought that part in the Ultimates when Ultimate Cap said that, I thought it was bad a$$...sorry, just true.

Regardless, of the distant pass, since WW2, France (in MY studied opinion) has become very isolationist, judgemental, and expects to be treated like a world power whe, like or not, they simply aren't anymore. The PEOPLE of France, are most likely wonderful people, I'm speaking of the French government. A further btw, the primary units that operated in the later theaters and operations in the list you provided was the French Foreign Legion (who btw (again with the btw...I've GOT to find a better term) are world class warriors and figuratively, eat American Rangers for breakfast...which may sound disloyal of me, but facts is facts)...thing is...most of the FFL's officers MAY be French, but I think it says something that France's premier military unit is made up primarily of non Frency nationals.

To be sure, America has its problems, but (well, depending on the administration in charge) we rarely sit on the sidelines and complain about what other countries should or shouldn't do).

Anyway, I VERY much enjoy, chatting/debating with you. You seem a decent sort, mate. ;)

#113 Posted by masmason92 (24 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he is

#114 Posted by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

superman

#115 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#116 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

I consider Captain America the ideal image of a hero and what they all aspire to be, so yes.

#117 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

He may not be the greatest, but he's the one hero that could inspire even Superman. Cap has inspired the Marvel universe and some of the villians at times, he could do the same in Dc and has in crossovers. That would make me say he's the most inspirational hero ever!

#118 Posted by Mutant X (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

One of the things I love about Captain America is that he's pretty much a normal guy [besides the super strength and all], but he's still looked upon as the leader of extremely powerful beings and gods. These characters look to Cap to lead them because they know that he's the best at what he does, and they all have a profound respect for Cap. I could go on and on all day about why Captain America is such an amazing character, but for the sake of time, I won't. Is Cap the greatest superhero ever? That's all a matter of opinion. But like other users have said above, he's definitely one of the greatest, no argument.

#119 Posted by daredevil21134 (10850 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre 52 Barry Allen is imo.But I love Captain America

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#120 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

No. Superman is, followed by Batman and Spiderman.

#121 Posted by Mego_Stretch_Hulk (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap the best because he has to be!!

#122 Posted by Scioli54 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely the best.

#123 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

That would be Superman

#124 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
@x_29 said:

That would be Superman

#125 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

No but one of the best.

#126 Posted by Lvenger (18329 posts) - - Show Bio

@SandMan_ said:

@x_29 said:

That would be Superman

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#127 Posted by TheCannon (17907 posts) - - Show Bio

No. He's up there though.

#128 Posted by Mego_Stretch_Hulk (209 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he is there!!

#129 Posted by samuel_larson_10 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mego_Stretch_Hulk said:

No, he is there!!

hardly,

is he powerful? No, he's only peak human

Can you relate to him? No. He is a man out of time, no ones been there

Does he have a wicked batman or iron man level of coolness armor? No, he has wings and fish scales

Does he have a funny personality? No, I've never once heard him say a wise crack in the comics

#130 Posted by ratman19 (525 posts) - - Show Bio

@samuel_larson_10: i think most people read comics for the coolness of the charecter or story not for relatability.

#131 Posted by samuel_larson_10 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratman19 said:

@samuel_larson_10: i think most people read comics for the coolness of the charecter or story not for relatability.

yes but that is part of what makes a good hero. you can have a good hero without that but cap is also lacking in other areas

#132 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#133 Posted by ValendianKnight (297 posts) - - Show Bio

He is definitely my favorite from Marvel, but takes a back seat to Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/Flash to me.

#134 Posted by jhazzroucher (15097 posts) - - Show Bio

for me , it's Ororo Munroe aka Storm

#135 Posted by darktiger (4153 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverman201 said:

No but he is one of the best.
#136 Posted by ratman19 (525 posts) - - Show Bio

superman is the best hes the first without him comic books wouldnt be what they are today.

#137 Posted by ratman19 (525 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hoboseid: those werent superheroes, the word superhero didnt come until superman came. without him those "gritty" heroes you enjoy today wouldnt be the way that they would if superman never was created. Many people still like superman and hes not really out of time if you actually read his comics.

#138 Posted by samuel_larson_10 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

another thing I would like to add to this thread, patriotism is a high value and is important, but it is not THE highest value, otherwise you have no right to criticize a nazi.

#139 Posted by Mego_Stretch_Hulk (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap still rules!!!

#140 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes ! 

#141 Posted by Dbogan67theman (37 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America is the most iconic superhero of all time.

#142 Posted by Extremis (3334 posts) - - Show Bio

Well he is one of the top for sure, but I wouldn't say THE top IMO anyway. Though I definitely feel like he is billed as Marvel's Golden boy like Supes is for DC. Moral compass, Boy Scout and what not.

#143 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

For me, sure.

On an objective basis? I wouldn't go so far as to call him 'the greatest superhero ever'. Because we all know that's Batman. It's always Batman. Batman. Batman.

#144 Edited by Captainamerica119 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

F*** yes. Besides him and the Invaders, I can't name another superhero who fought Nazis in WW2

#145 Posted by johnnyblaze321 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

To me he is.

#146 Posted by crazy8 (15 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthtravis:

I think Hulk and Iron Man beat out Green Lantern in sales. But if we are going by sales you would first have to go through all weekly and daily news paper comics, in which case Garfield would top all five of those. but by what makes a hero, Cap is the best.

#147 Posted by crazy8 (15 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainamerica119:

cap is the greatest. but your forgetting superman fought Nazis too. in fact Captain America and superman were fighting Nazis before America entered WW2. but batman and wonder woman were kicking Nazis butt later in the war also.

#148 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

For the americans, yes, probably, but not for the rest of the world.

#149 Edited by CheeseSticks (2381 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not even top 5

#150 Posted by kcjr (266 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not my favorite, but as a character there's no one better at being a superhero (except Spidey)!