#1 Edited by Alexander505 (2175 posts) - - Show Bio

The Cap's brain is superior than a normal human? It was enhanced, like Deathstroke? Cap can think more fast than a normal human? Cap can think more fast than a genius like Stark, Panther or Batman?

#2 Posted by Aiden Cross (15575 posts) - - Show Bio

From what i've seen and know (i'm no expert) his brain works in the same way and to the same capacity as regular humans. I do believe his reflexes and perception are better though

#3 Posted by Alexander505 (2175 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, I think so too.

#4 Posted by wundagoreborn (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Mental AND physical ability. He's a super-strategist because he's also super-smart.

#5 Posted by War Killer (20375 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

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#6 Edited by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

This.

@alexander505 His mental and physical abilities are enhanced. Reed Richards cannot see faster than bullets and (without his suit) Iron Man can't either. In terms of GENIUS as in booksmarts,those two are smarter than him undoubtedly. But in terms of his mental capacity and his tactical mind,he is greater.

But in terms of genius mind,Tony and Reed are smarter. In terms of his mental abilities and his tactical mind,his is greater. Okay,dude :)

Mental AND physical ability. He's a super-strategist because he's also super-smart.

this.

#7 Posted by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Actually,while you are correct,that DOES play a role as to the reason as to why he can dodge them. He is also physically superior and able to dodge bullets with ease because he of his physicals and reflexes. It doesn't matter HOW much faster he can see them,if he doesn't have the reflexes or speed to dodge them,he'd get hit. And he has the reflexes and speed to easily dodge bullets and lasers as if they aren't even there. His physicals and reflexes were augmented that allows him to easily dodge lasers and bullets at close range with ease and even move faster than the eye can track.

Of course you already know that,but just sayin :)

#8 Posted by War Killer (20375 posts) - - Show Bio

@war_killer said:

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Actually,while you are correct,that DOES play a role as to the reason as to why he can dodge them. He is also physically superior and able to dodge bullets with ease because he of his physicals and reflexes. It doesn't matter HOW much faster he can see them,if he doesn't have the reflexes or speed to dodge them,he'd get hit. And he has the reflexes and speed to easily dodge bullets and lasers as if they aren't even there. His physicals and reflexes were augmented that allows him to easily dodge lasers and bullets at close range with ease and even move faster than the eye can track.

Of course you already know that,but just sayin :)

Yeah, I was just pointing out the fact that Steve mentions that he literally "sees faster," and because of how fast bullets are fired this would make Cap's mind incredible fast as it must process all of that information his eyes are seeing to know where the bullets are going, then react and dodge them, which is all happening in a matter of seconds. I bring it up because it shows that his mind works on levels superior to a normal human, which would prove that the Super-Soldier Serum enhanced both his body and mind.

But you're right too, if it weren't for his enhanced reflexes, even if he were able to see faster than normal, he would still need to be able to react just as quickly. This is why Cap is able to react so quickly in battle, especially when fighting super-human threats such as the Hulk, and is able to dodge blows that would kill a normal person before they even realize it's about to hit them.

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#9 Posted by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83 said:

@war_killer said:

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Actually,while you are correct,that DOES play a role as to the reason as to why he can dodge them. He is also physically superior and able to dodge bullets with ease because he of his physicals and reflexes. It doesn't matter HOW much faster he can see them,if he doesn't have the reflexes or speed to dodge them,he'd get hit. And he has the reflexes and speed to easily dodge bullets and lasers as if they aren't even there. His physicals and reflexes were augmented that allows him to easily dodge lasers and bullets at close range with ease and even move faster than the eye can track.

Of course you already know that,but just sayin :)

Yeah, I was just pointing out the fact that Steve mentions that he literally "sees faster," and because of how fast bullets are fired this would make Cap's mind incredible fast as it must process all of that information his eyes are seeing to know where the bullets are going, then react and dodge them, which is all happening in a matter of seconds. I bring it up because it shows that his mind works on levels superior to a normal human, which would prove that the Super-Soldier Serum enhanced both his body and mind.

But you're right too, if it weren't for his enhanced reflexes, even if he were able to see faster than normal, he would still need to be able to react just as quickly. This is why Cap is able to react so quickly in battle, especially when fighting super-human threats such as the Hulk, and is able to dodge blows that would kill a normal person before they even realize it's about to hit them.

True...also,it happens MUCH faster than seconds :D

As you can see,I am kinda nitpicking now. XD

But yeah,his brain can see the bullets as they are fired and they're trajectory and know where they are headed and able to track them with his eyes and all of that. Basically,as said,he can see faster than them. Yes. It's not a skill,doesn't matter how skilled you are,a person's unenhanced brain can never do something like that.Nowhere near that.

#10 Edited by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

bump.

@alexander505 Want me to link you to a respect thread or his wiki page,dude?

#11 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Essentially this. He has also been stated to be able to adapt to any fighting style and master weapons in seconds.

#12 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@war_killer said:

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Essentially this. He has also been stated to be able to adapt to any fighting style and master weapons in seconds.

Yup he even learned a new style on the fly, while other warriors took decades for them to be as good as Steve in the Kang arch. Plus Steve has stated he can recall anything and think way faster. Which in warfare this would help him a lot being many steps ahead of your opponent. The funny thing is even before the SSS in his frail body he was already doing some incredible things. As he defeated some Nazis and adapted quickly to a judo expert and threw him. Quote:My newly augmented Brain:

#13 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@war_killer said:

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Essentially this. He has also been stated to be able to adapt to any fighting style and master weapons in seconds.

Yup he even learned a new style on the fly, while other warriors took decades for them to be as good as Steve in the Kang arch. Plus Steve has stated he can recall anything and think way faster. Which in warfare this would help him a lot being many steps ahead of your opponent. The funny thing is even before the SSS in his frail body he was already doing some incredible things. As he defeated some Nazis and adapted quickly to a judo expert and threw him.

Ooh that sounds cool, do you have scans?

#14 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks for the scans.

Yup he can think faster.

#15 Posted by PowerHerc (85153 posts) - - Show Bio

He can think and mentally react faster but he's no more intelligent than he was before the Super-Soldier Serum.

#16 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerherc: true, but Cap is a pretty intelligent guy.

#17 Posted by PowerHerc (85153 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Jake Fury (19172 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap could process new information at astronomical rates.

#19 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@krauser99 said:

@veshark said:

@war_killer said:

Cap has stated that he's able to dodge bullets due to being able to "see faster" than normal humans, which would mean that his mind would have to be working just as fast to process the information from his eyes. I don't believe his mind is on the same level of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, it simply means that he's able to process information quicker than a normal person, which would make sense as being a soldier would require him to be a quick thinker on the battlefield, especially when dealing with technology he's not familiar with such as alien tech.

Essentially this. He has also been stated to be able to adapt to any fighting style and master weapons in seconds.

Yup he even learned a new style on the fly, while other warriors took decades for them to be as good as Steve in the Kang arch. Plus Steve has stated he can recall anything and think way faster. Which in warfare this would help him a lot being many steps ahead of your opponent. The funny thing is even before the SSS in his frail body he was already doing some incredible things. As he defeated some Nazis and adapted quickly to a judo expert and threw him.

Ooh that sounds cool, do you have scans?

Sure.

#20 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

He can think and mentally react faster but he's no more intelligent than he was before the Super-Soldier Serum.

Actually the creator of the SSS stated his intelligence also went up because the SSS.

#21 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99

Awesome, when Kang says 'mastering the form', is he talking about zero-g combat?

#22 Edited by PowerHerc (85153 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerherc said:

He can think and mentally react faster but he's no more intelligent than he was before the Super-Soldier Serum.

Actually the creator of the SSS stated his intelligence also went up because the SSS.

Oh? Where and when was this stated?

#23 Edited by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

@powerherc said:

He can think and mentally react faster but he's no more intelligent than he was before the Super-Soldier Serum.

Actually the creator of the SSS stated his intelligence also went up because the SSS.

Oh? Where and when was this stated?

Yes please share, I do not remember that.

#24 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@krauser99

Awesome, when Kang says 'mastering the form', is he talking about zero-g combat?

Not sure to be honest. The details of the form are left out. Only that Kang noticed Steve did far better then the previous warriors who been trying at that same form for decades not achieve the success of Steve.

#25 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

@powerherc said:

He can think and mentally react faster but he's no more intelligent than he was before the Super-Soldier Serum.

Actually the creator of the SSS stated his intelligence also went up because the SSS.

Oh? Where and when was this stated?

Off the top of my head.

Cap vol1 #1. " and intelligence increase to a incredible degree."

#26 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@krauser99

Awesome, when Kang says 'mastering the form', is he talking about zero-g combat?

Not sure to be honest. The details of the form are left out. Only that Kang noticed Steve did far better then the previous warriors who been trying at that same form for decades not achieve the success of Steve.

Ah alright then, still cool. Fits in line with BP's comment that Cap adapts to different styles.

#27 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

#28 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

Agreed. But Tony, Hank are not even close to his level in learning fighting skills, strategy, tactics and mastering weapons in seconds like Cap does. Now Batman is more closer to Steve in that regard then them though. But I think Steve has the edge there as well in war type scenarios.

#29 Edited by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

This.

It also processes things faster (well,that is basically what you said) and his brain basically increases and he has perfect memory recall,etc...

But in terms of genius intellect (scientifically),Tony Stark and Beast or Hank and Bruce Banner or Bruce Wayne are obviously smarter than he is.

But in terms of strategy and tactics......

#30 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

Agreed. But Tony, Hank are not even close to his level in learning fighting skills, strategy, tactics and mastering weapons in seconds like Cap does. Now Batman is more closer to Steve in that regard then them though. But I think Steve has the edge there as well in war type scenarios.

Well of course that they can't master fighting skills as him but they can easily outsmart him and win in a battle but that is another conversation.

#31 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@krauser99 said:

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

Agreed. But Tony, Hank are not even close to his level in learning fighting skills, strategy, tactics and mastering weapons in seconds like Cap does. Now Batman is more closer to Steve in that regard then them though. But I think Steve has the edge there as well in war type scenarios.

Well of course that they can't master fighting skills as him but they can easily outsmart him and win in a battle but that is another conversation.

Sure they can he is not invincible not by any means. But he can easier thanks to being one of the best in combat/warfare type scenarios. And using his boosted mind in that type of field just helps a lot.

#32 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

This.

It also processes things faster (well,that is basically what you said) and his brain basically increases and he has perfect memory recall,etc...

But in terms of genius intellect (scientifically),Tony Stark and Beast or Hank and Bruce Banner or Bruce Wayne are obviously smarter than he is.

But in terms of strategy and tactics......

Well in terms of strategy and tactics Batman is almost on par with him.

#33 Posted by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@cameron83 said:

@tdk_1997 said:

Cap's brain thinks faster than a normal human's brain and that means that he can dodge bullets and etc. but he is nowhere near the level of intellect of Tony,Hank,Bruce or any other genius in the Marvel Universe.

This.

It also processes things faster (well,that is basically what you said) and his brain basically increases and he has perfect memory recall,etc...

But in terms of genius intellect (scientifically),Tony Stark and Beast or Hank and Bruce Banner or Bruce Wayne are obviously smarter than he is.

But in terms of strategy and tactics......

Well in terms of strategy and tactics Batman is almost on par with him.

I wasn't talking about Batman :P

I was talking about the brain gods of Marvel

#34 Posted by MaccyD (4964 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83: there's different types of intelligences...

#35 Posted by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@cameron83: there's different types of intelligences...

And........?

I am talking about in terms of scientific knowledge,Captain America isn't really....up there with any of those people.

But he is DEFINITELY not an idiot by any means. To think so shows a great ignorance of the character.

#36 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@cameron83: there's different types of intelligences...

And........?

I am talking about in terms of scientific knowledge,Captain America isn't really....up there with any of those people.

But he is DEFINITELY not an idiot by any means. To think so shows a great ignorance of the character.

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#37 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@cameron83: there's different types of intelligences...

And........?

I am talking about in terms of scientific knowledge,Captain America isn't really....up there with any of those people.

But he is DEFINITELY not an idiot by any means. To think so shows a great ignorance of the character.

Pretty much. The science to the science familiar type characters. As to war fare to the war fare type characters. That's definitely Steve's area of expertise and he's been touted to be simply the best by many characters.

#38 Edited by MaccyD (4964 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83: Depends what your definition of science is. Cap knows a lot about human anatomy, where the pressure points are, how to break bones, the limits of strength, physics including angling the shield to nearly impossible angles, social sciences, political science, psychology, humanities, operation of hundreds of weapons,anthropology, war studies among many others which neither of the two you mentioned are as well versed in.

Science isn't just chemicals and particles, to value one type of science over others is foolish.

#39 Posted by mikex20 (2771 posts) - - Show Bio

Street smarts vs book smarts. Cap's mind is dedicated to survival and combat, he can easily read people's body language and react quickly to danger. Tony and Reed's minds are full of facts, equations, and theorems, they can figure out how things work and build new tech.

#40 Edited by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@cameron83: Depends what your definition of science is. Cap knows a lot about human anatomy, where the pressure points are, how to break bones, the limits of strength, physics including angling the shield to nearly impossible angles, social sciences, political science, psychology, humanities, operation of hundreds of weapons,anthropology, war studies among many others which neither of the two you mentioned are as well versed in.

Science isn't just chemicals and particles, to value one type of science over others is foolish.

lol I'm not.

But in that case there are MANY types of things the others are well-versed in that Steve isn't.

I'm not saying that Cap is challenged in those areas,because he certainly isn't (as we know and as you've just shown),but he is nothing compared to those guys. People like Tony,Reed,Beast,Banner,T'challa,etc are the types of people far more well-versed in science and are the types to create scientific breakthroughs in technology,medicine,biology,etc...Steve isn't.

#41 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Steve stated he has a "Didactic" memory thanks to his enhanced mind. To totally recall on just about everything.

#42 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Steve stated he has a "Didactic" memory thanks to his enhanced mind. To totally recall on just about everything.

Damn you've got some great Cap scans. Love this moment.