Battles Forum

Shaper said:

"Vance Astro said:

"zee crusher said:

"zee crusher said:

"
It doesn't work if you
Don't have a soul
Your blind because you can't see
You have on eye which is why a cyclops creature won't be effected
If your venom because well your venom.
You have to have direct eye contact for it to kick in. If not he will be wasting time and you can hit the hell out of him."

"

None of those apply to Wolverine."

There's also something about, where I person doesn't believe what they did was bad or they didn't feel guilty it doesn't work on them.
"

The Penance Stare worked on him...he resisted it.It wasn't like Ghost Rider used it and he shrugged it off.

Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:

"Vance Astro said:

"zee crusher said:

"zee crusher said:

"
It doesn't work if you
Don't have a soul
Your blind because you can't see
You have on eye which is why a cyclops creature won't be effected
If your venom because well your venom.
You have to have direct eye contact for it to kick in. If not he will be wasting time and you can hit the hell out of him."

"

None of those apply to Wolverine."

There's also something about, where I person doesn't believe what they did was bad or they didn't feel guilty it doesn't work on them.
"

The Penance Stare worked on him...he resisted it.It wasn't like Ghost Rider used it and he shrugged it off."

Do you possible have a scan? So, I can see what happen and maybe explain. Cause, now I'm thinkin that maybe those Psi-Shields (That Xaiver put in his head) may have protected him or something.

erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
"

Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
"

And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
"

Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
"

When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

Nighthunter said:

"erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
"

Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
"

And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
"

Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
"

When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

"

Responding to the last comment: The Cannon Crossover (JLA/Avengers) It was shown that supes could lift the hammer.

zebari said:

"the ninja turtles cause there body is made of kryptoinite ans superman s weakness is kryptoinite"

The Ninja Turtles were mutated from exposure to toxic wastes. Where did you get Kryptonite from?

Shaper said:

"Nighthunter said:

"erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
"

Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
"

And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
"

Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
"

When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

"

Responding to the last comment: The Cannon Crossover (JLA/Avengers) It was shown that supes could lift the hammer."

I know he lifted it, I'm asking him how Superman lifting the hammer is bad writing when Captain America has been able to do it

Static Shock said:

"zebari said:

"the ninja turtles cause there body is made of kryptoinite ans superman s weakness is kryptoinite"

The Ninja Turtles were mutated from exposure to toxic wastes. Where did you get Kryptonite from?
"

LMFAO!!!!

Shaper said:

"Nighthunter said:

"Shaper said:

"Nighthunter said:

"erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
"

Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
"

And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
"

Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
"

When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

"

Responding to the last comment: The Cannon Crossover (JLA/Avengers) It was shown that supes could lift the hammer."

I know he lifted it, I'm asking him how Superman lifting the hammer is bad writing when Captain America has been able to do it
"

Sorry, typo. He couldn't lift it. Come on. Seriously guys, am I the only one who actually read that crossover rather than look at the pictures?

There are loop holes to the hammer, that Thor father (Odin) put on it. That in time of dire crisis, anyone can lift it or something close to that. And after the shiny picture of him lifting it with caps shield (Lol) he couldn't lift it again."

I did read it, that other people can lift the hammer if they are worthy and if an special ocasion happen ain't new. Captain America did it, Beta Ray Bill did it, Superman did it, Wonder Woman....

Nighthunter said:

"erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
"

Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
"

And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
"

Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
"

When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

"

Damn I was about to go call my girl to and leave but you had to bring me back didn't you??

Superman has never shown a greater display over speed of light. He has been shown struggling to get to the speed of light that is comics showing not me telling. Thor on the other hand has been shown to go any speed he desires with a mere throw from speed of thought to 3 times the speed of light

Your wrong Thor vs Superman was fanvoted go recheck that.

Thor beat galactus when galactus was attacking himself and ego. He used a godblast the galactus said would kill him if he didn't run. Galactus ran. Please believe I won't make stuff up what would I gain from it? I'll even post a pic if you like.  What makes the battle so special is that Thor had already fought galactus and won at regular levels. Cosmic superman should be stronger in every way then usual and he lost. Which shows how weak he is. The second thing is that he fought a starved galactus just like Thor so he definitely had the upper hand

Doom beating Superman is bs when when green k man does it or batman does it its okay?? That makes no sense. I wouldn't make that up. I shall gladly post the pics or the few that i have from the fight tomorrow. I'm surprised nobody else has read this but then again most people on the site don't wanna read superman losing right?

Those people you named makes you the second person right after static here to admit superman losing a fight. Usually nobody wants to admit superman losing a fight because they think its not canon. Superman not being able to catch flash isn't canon but when people make up numbers or do math actually so he can go 20 times the speed of light is canon makes no sense.

Superman vs Thor isn't a canon till you can prove it is. He can't grab a magical weapon and it was fanvoted.  If you believe that galactus beating superman isn't canon then you obviously show how much more you like superman then the other characters. Even if you are named after a marvel character lol.

Yes this site is infact dc based. Notice how they actually say superman can take down the avengers when he can barely take on people liek titanium man. You will also see that people don't read Thor comic, gladiator comics and will simply assume black adam or superman to be stronger then the two when superman has been shown at times having trouble pullin earth or holding up a mere few tons. This is is most dc based. Look who is the number one character.

Captain America held it in the moment I believe. and by the end of it. Regular humans have been shown to do that. They haven't been shown to hold the magical end of it which was radiating magical energy which superman would burn at just the slightest touch. The force behind it should have shattered his hand.

Nighthunter said:

"Shaper said:

"Nighthunter said:

"Shaper said:

"Nighthunter said:

"erik said:

"Goku!!! Just kidding haha."

Actually I agree with Goku winning...

zee crusher said:

Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.
"

funny thing, Superman moves way beyond the speed of light (and sound for that matter) and you know it, there was a complete thread of 3 or 4 pages to prove you that. Thor also moves faster than the speed of light, but Superman has shown greater displays (comic scans talking, not me)

zee crusher said:

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner.

Wrong, JLA/Avengers wasn't fan voted, the results were chosen by the writers of DC and Marvel (who apparently both believe that Superman can beat Thor)

The only fights fan voted were:

Superman vs Hulk

Captain America vs Batman

Wonder Woman vs Storm

Spider-man vs Superboy

Lobo vs Wolverine

zee crusher said:

Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight

When did Thor beat Galactus? I remember Odin beating Galactus but not Thor. Besides beating galactus doesn't mean a thing unless it is said how much of his power he had at the moment. I'm not saying that Superman has a chance against Galactus either.

zee crusher said:

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him
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Doom beating Superman (don't remember that happening) is bullsh!t and you know it. (to see how this is different from Superman beating Thor look below)

zee crusher said:

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. 

That come to mind? Superman has lost against Captain Marvel (DC), Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Parallax (Hal Jordan), Monarch (tecnically not the main superman, but three supermen from diferent earths in which two were stronger than normal one), Martian Manhunter (I think he has, but not sure), Gog, Batman (which truth be told is ridiculous).

Superman has lost many more times, some of them are cannon and others aren't, it doesn't have to do with "since Superman lost it can't be cannon" like you seem to believe, I remember you starting to say this when you asked about a scan saying that Superman claimed that he couldn't catch Barry Allen, that ain't cannon as the story (Justice) was announced by DC from the beginning as a reimagining of the Silver age. Now that a fight ain't cannon doesn't mean it ain't truth, but that it can't be taken as a validate resource.

Canon crossover fight:

Superman vs Thor (Superman)

Not canon crossover fight:

Superboy vs Spider-man (Spider-man)

zee crusher said:

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about

So you are really telling me that you believe that a story that features Superman with cosmic powers is in any way canon? Galactus would beat Superman even with that boost any day of the week, the same goes for Thor and almost anyone else.

zee crusher said:

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds.

Wrong again, Superman doesn't fly or run at his prime when he is on earth because he is afraid to kill someone if he did, he has never shown any problem with using super speed in any way.

zee crusher said:

 I won't put logic into it.
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And how would we notice the difference? :P

zee crusher said:

You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?
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Yup, that's right Zee. This site loves Superman, don't let the fact that this site prefers Marvel over DC and that almost no one here is buying his current books, we all love the man of steel, we even made a church for him and everytime I go to bed I kiss a red cape and a blue suit of spandex that are under my bed.

All of that because we love Superman beyond anything else, there can't be the posibility that we are right, every single of our comments is a way to say how awesome he is.

zee crusher said:

 Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
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When Batman beat Superman he had kryptonite, he was using sonics and was in a place supposed to make him unable to use his heat vision without exploding everything there, even so Batman admited from the beginning that Clark could have taken him down with superspeed but that he had chosen to don't do it.

zee crusher said:

Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash?

Captain America has hold the hammer, any reason why Superman couldn't?

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Responding to the last comment: The Cannon Crossover (JLA/Avengers) It was shown that supes could lift the hammer."

I know he lifted it, I'm asking him how Superman lifting the hammer is bad writing when Captain America has been able to do it
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Sorry, typo. He couldn't lift it. Come on. Seriously guys, am I the only one who actually read that crossover rather than look at the pictures?

There are loop holes to the hammer, that Thor father (Odin) put on it. That in time of dire crisis, anyone can lift it or something close to that. And after the shiny picture of him lifting it with caps shield (Lol) he couldn't lift it again."

I did read it, that other people can lift the hammer if they are worthy and if an special ocasion happen ain't new. Captain America did it, Beta Ray Bill did it, Superman did it, Wonder Woman....
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Superman never once lifted the hammer. He kept up its momentum When Thor allowed him to carry it for like 5 seconds. After that he tried to pick it up and couldn't.

Batman

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LMFAO!!!!!!

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You had to post this. LOL.