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Actually, I think Captain Atom was powered up in this one. He was able to kill Apollo without trying. This is probably why he thought Mr. Majestic was not as strong.

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"Revan"

"zee crusher said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."

"zee crusher said:

"Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. Then name a fight he one the wasn't marked as not canon. Then look back at all this and notice how you guys are trying to make yourself feel better. You guys can't even put up a valid reason why I FANVOTED FIGHT is canon. When it sure as hell isn't. When its fanvoted means its by the fans not the writers.

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about what happened? He got pwned like never before out for three pages. Red sun only bluffed he never did the feat so its not real. If Thor said he was as fast as lighting and never did it you superman fanboys would never believe. But he proved it. When superman says something and doesn't do it since hes a superman it must be real right?

The comic with doom beat superman was very canon. Thats my point when he loses its not canon."

We aren't saying it to make ourselves feel better. We're saying it because it's true. It's not canon because it's fan-voted. It's canon because it's written in Marvel and DC's continuity, unlike a lot of other crossover events. There was even a few issues in JLA that reminisced the event (so it has to be canon). I can't even remember the issue numbers, but Ace High told me them a while back. I know I've told you this so many times. Superman losing to Galactus isn't canon. It's just another crossover, like Marvel/DC which also isn't canon. Superman defeated Hulk in that crossover, but it's not canon. Yet, nobody uses that against you. Red Son Superman didn't bluff. And, if it wasn't real, why was Hal Jordan's ring in his hand? LOL. For the last time, Doom defeating Superman isn't canon. And it never was. Thor being as fast as lightning isn't new to me. That's anywhere between 62,000-93,000 miles a second (1/3 to 1/2 the speed of light). Superman could move at this speed, too...

Zee, you should really calm down, pimptight... You make it seem as if everyone is against you. But, we're just trying to tell you something. We know Thor is your favorite character, but come on.... You, my friend, need to grow up a little... It's not that serious. You don't need to blow a tangent over a comic book superhero.
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"Light said:

"Revan"

Darth Revan ?"

"Shaper said:

"Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:

"Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:

"zee crusher said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."

Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."

1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider.  out.
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1.Ok? Why do you have to beat Zarathos to beat Ghost Rider? They are two different being although he gets his powers from Zarathos.Saying this is like saying Hulk beat Juggernaut but not Cyttorak.

2.The Penance Stare didn't work on Wolverine or Daredevil either.

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1: When Zarathos is in control of the body, (Which he usually is now) his powers are god-like (Doctor Stranges words). He even killed Doctor Strange once before. But, he was brought back by one of his friends. Her name started with an "N".

2: I have no idea about Wolverine. But, The penace stare does not work on the blind."

1.Ok but that doesn't mean Doom didn't beat Ghost Rider.....Ghost Rider is Ghost Rider without Zarathos having full control.

2.Ok..

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"zee crusher said:

"Well he never did it lol. What more can you add one to that??


Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds. Thor doesn't worry about that because he will likely fight light speed out side earth.

Thor fighting in asgard has nothing to do with his speed. There are only two people who are strongest in asgard thats loki, and some other guy who if you hit and touches the ground get stronger. Thor is the same on asgard as he is on earth.

I think superman can't keep up reason being I won't put logic into it. You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?

Dr.Doom won off of prep. I won't sit here an  lie and say it was random and he happen to have green k in his back pocket. Superman was dumb enough to fly into dooms home an lost thanks to green k and prep. Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
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Superman has plenty of speed feats. He probably has moved at that speed. Maybe it just so happens that Red Son Superman knows the limits of his speed better than the mainstream counterpart. And, Thor can't move past light speed on Earth. It's harmful to the environment. The only person that can move at light speed on Earth is Monica Rambeau, to my knowledge (simply because she can convert her body to light energy, and light can move at it's said speed without harming the environment). I've never seen Thor move at that speed on Earth. Can you provide evidence? Superman doesn't do so not because of energy restrictions. He doesn't do it because of the environment. There's even a scan that says so. And, Doom defeating Superman with green Kryptonite just shows that it wasn't canon. Kryptonite isn't in the Marvel Universe, so how did he get his hands on it? And, besides, Doom can't react fast enough to fight Superman if he wanted too....
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"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"Revan"

Darth Revan ?"

exactly... I'll make a thread if anyone deems it necessary"

"Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

Gambler said:

"It was Red Son Superman who had the exact same powers. But whatever. I'm not going to waste my time with another Zee/Thor debate.
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Yeah but he never demonstrated it.
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"1.Static I'm not pissed or agrated or anything along those lings. Sorry if I make it seem that way. It kind of the way I type so I kind of give off the impression I am mad lol. My bad.

2. The lighting think in marvel goes 15,000,000 miles a second something like that. Thats how Fast Thor said he could move and he demonstrated it. Superman has barely been marked at light speed. If this is the case Thor would really be the one blitzing superman rather then vice versa. Canon fights should be real fights that make sense not fanvoted. If you count Thor losing to Superman as a canon you as saing firelord vs spiderman in a venom suit is canon. Those fights aren't canon since when could venom hit a guy who is 850,000 degrees in a suit weak against fire? Why can superman hold Those hammer when he touches wonder womans sword and got cut like as if it were a real slash? Besides that a hit from Superman could never knock out a being like Thor. If Thor can get hit by living tribunal and one above all what really makes you think that superman can ko him with one punch?  Cmon that really isn't canon. Thats like saying superman holding the blast hole was a real feat of strength.

3.Red sun yeah I won't lie looked amazing as he held the ring and said that but it would have looked even more amazing if he did it lol. Then I'd just skip to something else and pretend I never said that.

4.Thor isn't my favorite hero?? My favorite hero is a villian that has never even met Thor lol."

 If Thor can get hit by living tribunal and one above all what really makes you think that superman can ko him with one punch?

"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"Revan"

Darth Revan ?"

exactly... I'll make a thread if anyone deems it necessary"

I dont know if Darth Revan is strong enough in the Force to defeat Superman"

he is described as the heart of the force... if he isn't powerful enough then who is"

"Superman has never once been in a light speed fight with some one throwing a sword at you that has the power of and entire galaxy which would cut you so fast you wouldn't even notice. Superman has just blitzed others really. He could never do a light speed fight.

Your right moving light speed on earth does mess up the enviroment. Thor I don't think has done it on earth just other planets. The only speed feat he has on earth with out using his hammmer is

Moving so fast after robbing a bank that he was only seen as a blurr. Then there was a crowd of people that where hypnotized. Before they would even think of moving he had created a trench around them.  So its safe to say again speed of superman isn't a problem. As for the light speed on earth yeah it is to dangerous.

Dr. Doom beatin superman with green k is canon. Batman did it twice. If you are saying he couldn't have gotten it because it wasn't from his earth then you are saying superman vs Thor isn't canon. Because how do you stop a magical hammer coming at you when your allergic to it? "

"zee crusher said:

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It doesn't work if you
Don't have a soul
Your blind because you can't see
You have on eye which is why a cyclops creature won't be effected
If your venom because well your venom.
You have to have direct eye contact for it to kick in. If not he will be wasting time and you can hit the hell out of him."

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"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"King Saturn said:

"Light said:

"Revan"

Darth Revan ?"

exactly... I'll make a thread if anyone deems it necessary"

I dont know if Darth Revan is strong enough in the Force to defeat Superman"

he is described as the heart of the force... if he isn't powerful enough then who is"

I dont think any Jedi or Sith Lord could handle Superman..."

I think so... should I make a thread??

@Shaper: lolsz That guy doesn't exist though

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"zee crusher said:

"zee crusher said:

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It doesn't work if you
Don't have a soul
Your blind because you can't see
You have on eye which is why a cyclops creature won't be effected
If your venom because well your venom.
You have to have direct eye contact for it to kick in. If not he will be wasting time and you can hit the hell out of him."

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None of those apply to Wolverine."