Who can defeat Superman???????

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Vance Astro said:

"zee crusher said:
"Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
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*Static shakes his head in disagreement*
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How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
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Heimdall is cannon fodder compared to Superman and the Sentry who is slower than Superman owned him before he could finish a spell so he has no chance against Supes unless he has prep."

Hiemdall has limitless power that he draws from the universe. More then eough to destroy a planet when he fought Thor when he was banned from Asgard.

Congraulations on admitting something true on sentry for once. I know it hurt but still you did it. When the hell did Sentry own Hiemdall? If your talking about How Sentry fought doom and simply ripped off his masked after they had been fighting the whole time and they all jumped in at once they your sadly mistaken. I don't now why you don't understand that doom they fought was fighting the whole time and every time Sentry attacked it was a sneak attack.

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him?

Gambler said:

"It was Red Son Superman who had the exact same powers. But whatever. I'm not going to waste my time with another Zee/Thor debate.
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Yeah but he never demonstrated it.

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zee crusher said:

"How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
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Superman can move at light-speed too. And, they were fighting at light speed in Asgard, not on Earth. Thor wouldn't be able to move at light-speed on Earth, and his speed is restricted just like Superman's is. You can't sit here and tell me that Superman can't keep up. Also, Dr Doom fighting Superman isn't canon. That's why I disagree with it. It has nothing to do with who I like more. And, Doom couldn't react to Superman's speed to safe his life....

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One-Above-You said:

"Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

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The writing for that comic was a bit inconsistent. Either that, or Majestic wasn't giving it his all. And, Captain Atom was powered down/written differently in this. Majestic has done things that the current Superman cannot do, such as move planets.

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zee crusher said:

"Yeah but he never demonstrated it."

How do you know?

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Static Shock said:

"zee crusher said:
"Dr.Doom has done it in some earlier comics. That was with prep however. Don't you guys realize if he can steal the Silver Surfers powers, Beyonders, Galactus, Odins powers Deflect hits from Thors hammer and human torches flames, as well as get rid of Ghost rider in one hit that Superman would be considered a joke in his eyes??
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I doubt that comic was canon.

zee crusher said:
"He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner. Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight because guess who voted?? Not the fans. Superman can't move 10 the speed of thought besides that being a bluff it was merely another version of superman."
JLA/Avengers was canon. So, it's valid even if people voted for it. Saying it doesn't count when it does is not helping you. Superman losing to Galactus isn't canon, even if no one voted. You're just saying that it doesn't count to make yourself feel better. You can't have everything your way. This isn't Burger King. LOL. And, Superman can move 10 times the speed of thought. Red Son Superman and the mainstream Superman have the same exact powers at the same exact power levels....

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Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. Then name a fight he one the wasn't marked as not canon. Then look back at all this and notice how you guys are trying to make yourself feel better. You guys can't even put up a valid reason why I FANVOTED FIGHT is canon. When it sure as hell isn't. When its fanvoted means its by the fans not the writers.

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about what happened? He got pwned like never before out for three pages. Red sun only bluffed he never did the feat so its not real. If Thor said he was as fast as lighting and never did it you superman fanboys would never believe. But he proved it. When superman says something and doesn't do it since hes a superman it must be real right?

The comic with doom beat superman was very canon. Thats my point when he loses its not canon.

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Static Shock said:

"One-Above-You said:
"Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

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The writing for that comic was a bit inconsistent. Either that, or Majestic wasn't giving it his all. And, Captain Atom was powered down/written differently in this. Majestic has done things that the current Superman cannot do, such as move planets.
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Actually, I think Captain Atom was powered up in this one. He was able to kill Apollo without trying. This is probably why he thought Mr. Majestic was not as strong.

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LMMFAO

Damn ! Apollo got his azz torched !

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Static Shock said:

"zee crusher said:
"Yeah but he never demonstrated it."
How do you know?
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Well he never did it lol. What more can you add one to that??

Static Shock said:

"zee crusher said:
"How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
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Superman can move at light-speed too. And, they were fighting at light speed in Asgard, not on Earth. Thor wouldn't be able to move at light-speed on Earth, and his speed is restricted just like Superman's is. You can't sit here and tell me that Superman can't keep up. Also, Dr Doom fighting Superman isn't canon. That's why I disagree with it. It has nothing to do with who I like more. And, Doom couldn't react to Superman's speed to safe his life....
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Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds. Thor doesn't worry about that because he will likely fight light speed out side earth.

Thor fighting in asgard has nothing to do with his speed. There are only two people who are strongest in asgard thats loki, and some other guy who if you hit and touches the ground get stronger. Thor is the same on asgard as he is on earth.

I think superman can't keep up reason being I won't put logic into it. You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?

Dr.Doom won off of prep. I won't sit here an lie and say it was random and he happen to have green k in his back pocket. Superman was dumb enough to fly into dooms home an lost thanks to green k and prep. Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.

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Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?

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I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman.

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TheDrifter said:

"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast.

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I can =]

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King Saturn said:

"LMMFAO

Damn ! Apollo got his azz torched !
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MORE SCANS! MORE SCANS!

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zee crusher said:

"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

What makes you think that "took him out"?

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Shaper said:

"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

Yeah, The revelations arc GR could do it but the recent GR not so much (Saying that without spoilers or anything)

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zee crusher said:

"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks.

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Shaper said:

"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

He can if he doesn't get hit from afar. But really what can superman do to him? If superman touches him he burns his skin ice doesn't have and effect on soulfire. So really superman would have to throw a building at him.

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Shaper said:

"King Saturn said:
"LMMFAO

Damn ! Apollo got his azz torched !
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MORE SCANS! MORE SCANS!
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TheDrifter said:

"Shaper said:
"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

Yeah, The revelations arc GR could do it but the recent GR not so much (Saying that without spoilers or anything)"

I've some of the comics after Revelations. Pm me on why, and we'll debate without giving out spoilers.

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Shaper said:

"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."

Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom.

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zee crusher said:

"Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. Then name a fight he one the wasn't marked as not canon. Then look back at all this and notice how you guys are trying to make yourself feel better. You guys can't even put up a valid reason why I FANVOTED FIGHT is canon. When it sure as hell isn't. When its fanvoted means its by the fans not the writers.

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about what happened? He got pwned like never before out for three pages. Red sun only bluffed he never did the feat so its not real. If Thor said he was as fast as lighting and never did it you superman fanboys would never believe. But he proved it. When superman says something and doesn't do it since hes a superman it must be real right?

The comic with doom beat superman was very canon. Thats my point when he loses its not canon."

We aren't saying it to make ourselves feel better. We're saying it because it's true. It's not canon because it's fan-voted. It's canon because it's written in Marvel and DC's continuity, unlike a lot of other crossover events. There was even a few issues in JLA that reminisced the event (so it has to be canon). I can't even remember the issue numbers, but Ace High told me them a while back. I know I've told you this so many times. Superman losing to Galactus isn't canon. It's just another crossover, like Marvel/DC which also isn't canon. Superman defeated Hulk in that crossover, but it's not canon. Yet, nobody uses that against you. Red Son Superman didn't bluff. And, if it wasn't real, why was Hal Jordan's ring in his hand? LOL. For the last time, Doom defeating Superman isn't canon. And it never was. Thor being as fast as lightning isn't new to me. That's anywhere between 62,000-93,000 miles a second (1/3 to 1/2 the speed of light). Superman could move at this speed, too...

Zee, you should really calm down, pimptight... You make it seem as if everyone is against you. But, we're just trying to tell you something. We know Thor is your favorite character, but come on.... You, my friend, need to grow up a little... It's not that serious. You don't need to blow a tangent over a comic book superhero.

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Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:
"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."
Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."

1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider. out.

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One-Above-You said:

"Shaper said:
"King Saturn said:
"LMMFAO

Damn ! Apollo got his azz torched !
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MORE SCANS! MORE SCANS!
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I was joking, But Awesome! Thanks!

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Shaper said:

"Vance Astro said:
"Shaper said:
"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."
Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."
1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider. out.
"

1.Ok? Why do you have to beat Zarathos to beat Ghost Rider? They are two different being although he gets his powers from Zarathos.Saying this is like saying Hulk beat Juggernaut but not Cyttorak.

2.The Penance Stare didn't work on Wolverine or Daredevil either.

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Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Shaper said:
"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."
Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."
1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider. out.
"
1.Ok? Why do you have to beat Zarathos to beat Ghost Rider? They are two different being although he gets his powers from Zarathos.Saying this is like saying Hulk beat Juggernaut but not Cyttorak.

2.The Penance Stare didn't work on Wolverine or Daredevil either.
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DareDevil is blind why would you even mention that?

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zee crusher said:

"Well he never did it lol. What more can you add one to that??

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds. Thor doesn't worry about that because he will likely fight light speed out side earth.

Thor fighting in asgard has nothing to do with his speed. There are only two people who are strongest in asgard thats loki, and some other guy who if you hit and touches the ground get stronger. Thor is the same on asgard as he is on earth.

I think superman can't keep up reason being I won't put logic into it. You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?

Dr.Doom won off of prep. I won't sit here an lie and say it was random and he happen to have green k in his back pocket. Superman was dumb enough to fly into dooms home an lost thanks to green k and prep. Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
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Superman has plenty of speed feats. He probably has moved at that speed. Maybe it just so happens that Red Son Superman knows the limits of his speed better than the mainstream counterpart. And, Thor can't move past light speed on Earth. It's harmful to the environment. The only person that can move at light speed on Earth is Monica Rambeau, to my knowledge (simply because she can convert her body to light energy, and light can move at it's said speed without harming the environment). I've never seen Thor move at that speed on Earth. Can you provide evidence? Superman doesn't do so not because of energy restrictions. He doesn't do it because of the environment. There's even a scan that says so. And, Doom defeating Superman with green Kryptonite just shows that it wasn't canon. Kryptonite isn't in the Marvel Universe, so how did he get his hands on it? And, besides, Doom can't react fast enough to fight Superman if he wanted too....

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Vance Astro said:

"Shaper said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Shaper said:
"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."
Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."
1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider. out.
"
1.Ok? Why do you have to beat Zarathos to beat Ghost Rider? They are two different being although he gets his powers from Zarathos.Saying this is like saying Hulk beat Juggernaut but not Cyttorak.

2.The Penance Stare didn't work on Wolverine or Daredevil either.
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1: When Zarathos is in control of the body, (Which he usually is now) his powers are god-like (Doctor Stranges words). He even killed Doctor Strange once before. But, he was brought back by one of his friends. Her name started with an "N".

2: I have no idea about Wolverine. But, The penace stare does not work on the blind.

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zee crusher said:

"Vance Astro said:
"Shaper said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Shaper said:
"zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks."
Hulk beat Ghost Rider as well and so did Venom."
1: Hulk beat Johnny Blaze. Not Zarathos. (And yes, there is a big difference)

2: Ghost Rider Penace is like a double edge sword on some cases. On Venom's Case there were 4 eyes. Not 2. So, because the penace stare doesn't work like that, it knocked Ghost Rider. out.
"
1.Ok? Why do you have to beat Zarathos to beat Ghost Rider? They are two different being although he gets his powers from Zarathos.Saying this is like saying Hulk beat Juggernaut but not Cyttorak.

2.The Penance Stare didn't work on Wolverine or Daredevil either.
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DareDevil is blind why would you even mention that?"

So Penance stare won't work on a person if they close their eyes or wear sunglasses?

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Who can defeat Superman???????