@Ferro Vida:
@Fetts:
Now, it is possible for Toph to damage him, I'm sure. But she would need to be more creative then just chucking boulders.
Hmm Maybe. Those Tombstone durability feats were good, but even he could take only so many hits from bathtub-sized rocks slamming into him.
But, if Toph does have to get a bit more creative, that's not exactly a problem for her. She could cause earth to come up around Cable and encase him in a rock-cocoon. She could use the earth under his feet to launch him into the air. BFR wouldn't count, of course, but it would keep him occupied... and the landings would hurt too.
When it comes to combat, Toph isn't exactly a one-trick pony.
The War Machine scan is not above Tombstone's level of durability. He only takes one shot head on, which can be explained through his TO body parts, which have much higher durability then the rest of him.
You've said that, for the purposes of this thread, Cable's force-field has been downgraded to only Tombstone-level.
Now you're saying that, in the scan you posted, his TO body parts make for even more durability.
So wouldn't the force-field and TO body parts combined make him more durable than Tombstone?
But she would not have a clear shot at him from a distance, and he is agile enough to avoid most direct attacks that he could see coming. Toph, on the other hand, would not be able to easily avoid, say, an arrow that is flying through the air at her head.
1) It seems like you're presenting a bit of a double-standard. Toph would not have a clear shot from a distance, but Cable would?
2) Also, Toph blocked airborne projectiles constantly in the series. With the way her radar sense works, she can't sense the projectiles as it's in the air (unless it's a rock), but she can sense exactly where it is up until the moment of release. As far as I remember, the only times Toph was in danger from projectiles were when her attackers were airborne the entire time they were shooting.
Oh, and I just thought of another point I hadn't considered before. Sherlock said the arrows we get are flint-tipped. So, basically, the arrowheads are made of stone.
Somehow I don't see it working out well to shoot stone-tipped arrows at an earthbender.
Not only would she be able to see the arrows after they are fired, but she'd probably be able to stop them in mid-air and redirect them wherever she wants.
At the age of 12, he also had a fight with Mace Windu. It was a long time ago since I read the book but iirc it ended in a stalemate and then Palpatine came in. But I recall Mace Windu going easy on him because he felt some sort of guilt for killing Jango. But despite him holding back, I remember that Boba Fett hit him a couple of times. And they were in pretty close close combat with each other as I recall.
I can't say I've ever read that fight, but it sounds a lot like either PIS or Mace was holding back a LOT. One of the greatest swordsmen in the Jedi Order, the one who (arguably) beat Palpatine in a fight, being stalemated by a 12-year-old? If Mace was unarmed, Boba was fully armed, and Mace was STILL holding back, that might be almost believable.
Now I know this doesn't necessarily mean that Boba Fett is as good as Jango in H2H combat. But just the fact that he was trained by him should count for something.
Only to a very small extent. Hawkeye was trained in hand-to-hand by Captain America, but he hardly has a single decent hand-to-hand feat to his name. Jus. saying...
Boba Fett has also dodged aim in a couple of occasions.
There's a difference between dodging the aim of a person holding a gun, and dodging the aim of people who throw fireballs and boulders the size of a small car.
Firstly, this is a forest. Who said there were any boulders? The picture doesn't show any. Chances of there being boulders in a forest and there being a good stock of boulders are not significant. If there are some then Toph could throw them.
Where there is earth, there are rocks. If the ground is soft, Toph may have to dig down a little to get to the particularly large chunks of stone, but they'll be there.
But when Cable and Toph can realize where the opposite team is, it'll most likely be a pretty good distance. Meaning there will be plenty of trees slowing the boulders down when the boulders chop through them.
This is one of the cool things about earthbending. Toph can manipulate earth pretty much anywhere she can sense it. She doesn't have be standing right on top of a boulder to lift it up and throw it. If there's a boulder 30 yards away from her that's at a better angle for throwing, she can pick it up from wherever she is, and throw it from there.
Would she able to sense an arrow or be able to react in time to dodge an arrow at a very high speed? Could Zuko?
The point about Toph reacting to arrows has already been replied to.
As for Zuko, he wouldn't be in too much danger either. Even without his firebending, he is still among the most skilled fighters in the Avatar world (especially with swords). He once broke into a prison to rescue Aang, and they had to fight their way out. Aang had only airbending at the time, and Zuko was using only swords (no firebending at all), and the two of them fought their way through an entire army of guys with arrows, spears, swords, etc.
Also there's the shield Ferro mentioned. Given the reasoning earlier, I don't think your team has enough firepower to take down his shields. And if not, then that gives us a chance to get in close for a kill.
As Ferro already admitted, Cable's shield isn't going to be up even if he has to concentrate enough to fire an arrow.
Additionally, durability of that level isn't impossible to get past. It may take a lot of boulders to do it, but Toph could knock him out if she can get enough shots on him.
It's funny how this debate has basically turned into Boba and Cable vs Toph. Because of Ferro's point with Cable's shields blocking all heat, Zuko is hardly being considered anymore.
But, even though Zuko may not be able to do much against Cable, he could still do plenty against Boba.
Ferro said that, on his team, Cable would take the bow and arrows and Boba would take the sword and shield. I think my team would divide it up the same way. Toph would take the arrows (she's never fired a bow, but she can use the flint-tipped arrows as effective weapons) and Zuko would take the sword and shield.
If Zuko attacks Boba, I don't think Boba would be able to win. He may be an exemplar hand-to-hand combatant, but as far as weapons go his specialty is guns, not swords. If he's ever even had significant training with a sword, I'm not aware of it. Zuko, on the other hand, is an absolutely stellar swordsman. And on top of that, he's basically a human flamethrower. You may be able to argue that Boba's shield and skill would keep him safe from the fire, but I honestly don't think that's true at all. In this scenario, Zuko would be more dangerous than he's ever been before. There were times in the series when he was willing to kill, but that was back when he was not a very good firebender. When he finally became a top-tier firebender, he had a change of morals and didn't fight to kill anymore. Now, in this scenario, he's a top-tier firebender and he's fighting to kill.
Honestly, I think Zuko with a sword and shield would be a halfway decent match for Boba even if he couldn't firebend at all. With the firebending, I don't see Boba being able to last very long at all.
Log in to comment