Debate between me and
Rules
- Pre-52 Superman, regular Thor
- In character
- Random encounter
- Win by death, KO, or incapacitation
- Battle takes place on an empty Earth
- Superman automatically wins (okay, maybe not)
CAV: Superman (ImmortalOne) vs Thor (ThunderGodsWrath)
This is just show you that Superman cannot move planets, or moons. Yes he can destroy them, but not move them.
Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself.
- Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him.
Taken from Superman: New World of Krypton 7
-Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users.
Taken from: JLA 58
-After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that.
Taken from: Superman v2 173 & Action Comics 782
-The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context.
Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help.
Taken from: JLA 75
"Superman can move at Light speed"
To start things off. I already know Thor is at a disadvantage here, because Superman is faster, but Thor makes up for it in other things. Since this battle is morals off, random encounter, and in character Superman won't try, and speedblitz Thor right off th bat. Superman will see how powerful his opponet is first by brawling him Hulk style, which Thor is good at. Once Superman see's how hard Thor hits, he's going to try harder, and harder, until he speed-blitzes. Which in my opinion won't put down Thor. I will be showning reasons later for this. For now i'm going to show some feats of strength, durability, and abilites of Thor, and compare them to those of Superman's to shown you how Thor can react to them, or even counter them if he wanted too.
Strength/Striking
- Thor moving island easily
- Thor knocking Odin to his knees
- Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
- Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
- Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
- One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
- Thor dents pure admantium
- Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet
Durability
- Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
- Tanks planet exsplosion
- Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
- Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
- No harm being in the sun
- Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
- Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
- A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink
Abilites/Powers
- Made a storm in Asgard that reached all the way too Earth
- Has Anti-Blast that is as powerful as a star
- God Blast can hurt Galactus, destroy Celestials dome, and push back Classic Juggernaut
- Absorb, and ridirect attacks 10x more powerful or 100x
- Transmution
- Molecure Manipulation
- Control over the Earth
- Teleport
- Control any sort of weather
- Make tidal waves
- Produce AOE attacks
- Put his whole body in electricity
- Make powerful winds, and tornadoes
- Block at planet decimating blasts with his storms
- Heat & cold resistant
TravelSpeed/ReactionSpeed
- Fly from earth to sun in a matter of seconds to throw Sentry's dead corpse into the sun
- Said by himself, and Hela to be as fast as the lightning he commands
- Reacted to Phoenix Jean Grey who shot a blast at him from behind, just about to hit him, and he turns around and counters it
- Catches the Wreckers crowbar just inches away from his head
- Saves Rulk before he drops in blackhole
- Flew 3 times speed of light
- AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )
- Took out a group of eniemes members by telling Mjolnir to do it
My turn is done. Your turn !
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
This is just show you that Superman cannot move planets, or moons. Yes he can destroy them, but not move them.
Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself.
- Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him.
Taken from Superman: New World of Krypton 7
-Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users.
Taken from: JLA 58
-After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that.
Taken from: Superman v2 173 & Action Comics 782
-The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context.
Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help.
Taken from: JLA 75
"Superman can move at Light speed"
To start things off. I already know Thor is at a disadvantage here, because Superman is faster, but Thor makes up for it in other things. Since this battle is morals off, random encounter, and in character Superman won't try, and speedblitz Thor right off th bat. Superman will see how powerful his opponet is first by brawling him Hulk style, which Thor is good at. Once Superman see's how hard Thor hits, he's going to try harder, and harder, until he speed-blitzes. Which in my opinion won't put down Thor. I will be showning reasons later for this. For now i'm going to show some feats of strength, durability, and abilites of Thor, and compare them to those of Superman's to shown you how Thor can react to them, or even counter them if he wanted too.
Strength/Striking
- Thor moving island easily
- Thor knocking Odin to his knees
- Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
- Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
- Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
- One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
- Thor dents pure admantium
- Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet
Durability
- Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
- Tanks planet exsplosion
- Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
- Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
- No harm being in the sun
- Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
- Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
- A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink
Abilites/Powers
- Made a storm in Asgard that reached all the way too Earth
- Has Anti-Blast that is as powerful as a star
- God Blast can hurt Galactus, destroy Celestials dome, and push back Classic Juggernaut
- Absorb, and ridirect attacks 10x more powerful or 100x
- Transmution
- Molecure Manipulation
- Control over the Earth
- Teleport
- Control any sort of weather
- Make tidal waves
- Produce AOE attacks
- Put his whole body in electricity
- Make powerful winds, and tornadoes
- Block at planet decimating blasts with his storms
- Heat & cold resistant
TravelSpeed/ReactionSpeed
- Fly from earth to sun in a matter of seconds to throw Sentry's dead corpse into the sun
- Said by himself, and Hela to be as fast as the lightning he commands
- Reacted to Phoenix Jean Grey who shot a blast at him from behind, just about to hit him, and he turns around and counters it
- Catches the Wreckers crowbar just inches away from his head
- Saves Rulk before he drops in blackhole
- Flew 3 times speed of light
- AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )
- Took out a group of eniemes members by telling Mjolnir to do it
My turn is done. Your turn !
Damn
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