#1 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally a close enough to real fight but zuko wins why? He is a much better fighter and besides that the fire he can easily spread it to nothing with his own attack.

#2 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Who is Zuko?"

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#3 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins.

#4 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro wins.

#5 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Well this is way better than the Human Torch vs Zuko, since Zuko's attacks wont effect him and he cant touch Torch. Yes Zuko is a better fighter than Pyro, but he isnt a better fire manipulator. I think Pyro wins.

#6 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

He isn't a fire manipulator i agree but he can destroy incoming fire attacks hes done it before lol but besides that the minute pyro releases the fire from his hand zuko can push it back to the tank because fire benders can make shapes or push and pull fire.

#7 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

No, because Pyro is a skilled fire manipulator, Zuko's not going to be able to push back that fire that's being completely controlled by Pyro.

#8 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro can also make shapes and push/pull/diminish flames.

#9 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

Dormammu says:

"No, because Pyro is a skilled fire manipulator, Zuko's not going to be able to push back that fire that's being completely controlled by Pyro."

Okay he does beat zuko in that area besides to do what pyro does in avatar you have to be and old expert the avatar or a firelord lol.

#10 Posted by WavyFLATLINE (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko wins. Their powers pretty much cancel each other out. It will be difficult for either one to burn the other. Zuko IS the better fighter. Zuko takes Pyro out.

-WavyFLATLINE

#11 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

WavyFLATLINE says:

"Zuko wins. Their powers pretty much cancel each other out. It will be difficult for either one to burn the other. Zuko IS the better fighter. Zuko takes Pyro out. -WavyFLATLINE"
Their powers don't cancel each other out. Pyro is way better "Fire Bender" then Zuko. He is able to create constructs out of fire that can actually pick stuff up. Zuko can only make simple things like a whip.
#12 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko's power isn't going to cancel out Pyro's... Pyro has complete control of the fire once it leave his flamethrower thing, Zuko isnt going to be able to put it out. Pyro can create constructs with his fire, and... Zuko just isn't going to put out Pyro's flames.

#13 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Pyro wins this one, because fire control is the only thing that really matters, and Pyro has complete control over it. Zuko wont be able to make flames without them bursting in his face.

#14 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a very good battle though Zuko can manipulate fire to an extent and destroy it before it causes real damage. Zuko would probably release Pyro is not a real firebender and will resort to using his broadswords and martial arts. This is where Zuko kicks Pyro's @$$. Just slice the cords and the actual flamethrower and all Pyro can do is curse. Zuko wins.

#15 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro can make structures, and he does that and slams Zuko into the ground and then burns him to death.

#16 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

He can.

#17 Posted by Akira Overdrive (10120 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro still gets hurt by fire,and he cant fight compared to Zuko.

#18 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko can also get hurt by fire, and what are you talking about Pyro is not a real firebender? He's an amazing fire manipulator which is what normal people call bending. Pyro has greater control over fire than Zuko, he has the ability to create constructs, he can control flames completely and he can diminish them, Zuko is nothing compared to Pyro in the fire "bending" department.

#19 Posted by Psyker star (3402 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro would redirect all of Zukos fire back it would be a stomp

#20 Posted by StormFreak (43 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm zuko can dodge pyro's attacks.. i think he's not that fool enough to just look and be amazed at how pyro firebends. and also zuko is fast, have some figthing/kung-fu styles plus his sword skills so he would just dodge and go near pyro then slam pyro's fire engine [lol i dont know what u call that thing in his back] the only problem zuko would have is how to go near pyro.. and besides they are both fire manipulators/benders so it would just come up on who's first to be burned.. but i kinda agree pyro is the better fire bender cos he can create things/creature out of fire.. all i saw with zuko's fire bending were just some fireballs coming out form his fist. lol im still undecided on this one though..

#21 Posted by Fire_Ant (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@Legendary Bio Vishanti: Do you have a scan to back that? Zuko is fast, smooth, and clever with his martial arts, but if he had those big hoses on it would restrict even his movement. I really really don't think Pyro is a match for him in hand to hand and plus he's got those hoses in the way. Zuko could sever them with his sword, or send flame back up them.

#22 Posted by samuel90 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are joking right? The people who say pyro would win have clearly never watched the show, zuko can do so much more with fire than pyro can. The fact that he can make his own fire without the use of some apparatus is a win on it's own. Zuko wins 9 times out of ten.

#23 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10860 posts) - - Show Bio

@samuel90 said:

You guys are joking right? The people who say pyro would win have clearly never watched the show, zuko can do so much more with fire than pyro can. The fact that he can make his own fire without the use of some apparatus is a win on it's own. Zuko wins 9 times out of ten.

Such as?

Zuko's fire bending only fuels Pyro, and Pyro can make his flames solid (Zuko has never done this). He could wrap Zuko up in a big flame hand and just incinerate him.

Zuko's only chance is for this to become H2H and he would likely be taken out before then.

Pyro would take the majority here.

#24 Edited by samuel90 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderbolt30: Zuko has done this many times in the show.

1. He was able to create jiant fire whips in the season finally of book two.

2. He's been trained by the strongest fire benders in the avatar universe ( General Iroh, and freaken dragons!)

3. He's been shown to be able to redirect fire, even parting Tsunami like fire waves in book 3 sozins comet. Also he can redirect lightning, (not that pyro has any lightning abilitys)

4. Fire benders in the avatar universe can bend fire through every part of their body (mouth, hands, feet etc)

Pyro has no martial arts training that I know of, plus zuko is very skilled with twin swords and can use his fire bending with his swords at the same time. In short zuko is better trained, and can manipulate fire faster and more creatively, pyro just doesn't stand a chance.

#25 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10860 posts) - - Show Bio

@samuel90: None of this proves anything though.

Zuko has never solidified fire. He's only shaped it. Pyro created a fire beast that was solid enough to hold Colossus but not tangible enough for him to physically effect it. Zuko has never demonstrated that kind of control.

Creating fire whips and daggers is not an example of solidifying fire and Zuko has no feats that put his fire manipulation above Pyro's. Who he trained with is irrelevant (only his feats matter here) and unless he gets in close quarters his martial arts skill is also irrelevant.

Pyro created a huge flame beast that move at the speed of thought to catch Wolverine. Zuko hasn't done anything to suggest he can manipulate fire that moves that fast. Pyro created flame so intense it instantly incinerated a huge dinosaur. When he gets a hold of Zuko it'd be over.

Any fire Zuko creates Pyro can control and turn it back in him. Pyro would definitely beat Zuko.

#26 Posted by Myst1que (168 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro wins.

Aside from that, they would actually make an okay team, Zuko makes the flames, Pyro controls them and if Pyro is loosing then Zuko could come in and help

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#28 Posted by Myst1que (168 posts) - - Show Bio

@nighthunder: Why not? It's not like there are any new good threads... also the last reply was only a few months ago.

#29 Posted by roronuffy (910 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko easily. Their fire abilities will cancel each other out but Zuko is an extremely skilled martial artist capable of taking on entire squads of other capable martial artists by himself. He physically dominates pyro.

#30 Edited by BlackWind (7243 posts) - - Show Bio

Pyro's fire control is way bigger.

#31 Posted by Chazz85 (213 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going zoko mainly cos he is a beter fighter. Yet pyro has better fire control. I'm going zoko because i can see him handling this better tactically. He also fights better. I do remind you guys i did just rewatch avatar:the last airbender so this biast.

#32 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (762 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko because of lightning

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#34 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (762 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: really? didn't he use lightning on azula or something? One would think that he would have used lightning at least once in 4 seasons. If that's the case then I'll go with Pyro.

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#36 Posted by BlackWind (7243 posts) - - Show Bio

How do people keep forgetting Zuko cannot project lightning?

#37 Posted by hirev_starman (898 posts) - - Show Bio

@samuel90: None of this proves anything though.

Zuko has never solidified fire. He's only shaped it. Pyro created a fire beast that was solid enough to hold Colossus but not tangible enough for him to physically effect it. Zuko has never demonstrated that kind of control.

Creating fire whips and daggers is not an example of solidifying fire and Zuko has no feats that put his fire manipulation above Pyro's. Who he trained with is irrelevant (only his feats matter here) and unless he gets in close quarters his martial arts skill is also irrelevant.

Pyro created a huge flame beast that move at the speed of thought to catch Wolverine. Zuko hasn't done anything to suggest he can manipulate fire that moves that fast. Pyro created flame so intense it instantly incinerated a huge dinosaur. When he gets a hold of Zuko it'd be over.

Any fire Zuko creates Pyro can control and turn it back in him. Pyro would definitely beat Zuko.

#38 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (12500 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay so, shoot out the dark but...why can't Zuko just dodge the flames.

#39 Posted by johnjo719 (112 posts) - - Show Bio

Well where are they fighting? In an open field? In a city? A forest?

If it's anything other than an open field, I think zuko will win in a very close fight. Why? Because with all of that cover he'd have a chance to close the distance and remove the threat of the flamethrower. We've seen him use enough stealth abilities to agree with that not to mention his martial skills. If he had his morals off he might just kill him there.

Aside from the constructs Pyro can make, Zuko can counter any fire based attack. He's redirected and cancelled attacks flung at him from other firebenders before, why not pyro's?

#40 Posted by vintage_spiderman (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

"FIGHTING FIRE WITH FIRE"

#41 Posted by BlackWind (7243 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnjo719: Because Pyro can control fire at a higher level. Its that simple. And he can control far more than Zuko can.

#42 Posted by Kaang_the_Watcher (601 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough to say. Pyro is the superior pyrokene (better feats, can create semi-solid constructs out of fire, etc). But Zuko is the superior athlete, martial artist, tactitian, etc.

In Zuko's case, it has been shown that firebenders can use fire to block fire blasts from opponents. Pyro's blasts should be more powerful than what Zuko is used to, but that rule should still hold true at least to some degree. We've yet to see, though, how good Pyro is at blocking flames that someone else is controlling.

I think a lot depends on the setting details (starting distance, environment, knowledge of each other, etc). I want to give Zuko a slight majority just because he's smarter, a better fighter, has more experience fighting against other pyrokenes, and Pyro has a bit of a jobber aura, but it really could go either way.

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#43 Posted by WickedlyVenomous (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Zuko always seemed smarter to me and I think in this case, the smarter fighter wins. I'm going with Zuko.

#44 Posted by random_nerd (524 posts) - - Show Bio

i think ill give it to pyro, he can manipulate all of zukos fire and walks around in a fire proof suit anyway, plus he has that solid fire.