Zuko, Toph vs Amon, Zaheer

In this battle, Zuko and Toph will team up to take on Amon and Zaheer, who will win?

For this fight, Amon must hide his bending. He can use it subtly in combat like he did before revealing his bending, and he can remove bending.

No flight for Zaheer.

Fight takes place in the forest outside Zaofu. Starting distance is 25 feet. Time is noon

All are in character. Victory by ko

Who wins?

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Hmmm. Don't know who would win in a fight between Toph and Zaheer.

What about Zuko and Amon?

@arcus: So what do you mean exactly when you say Amon has to hide his bending? Give me at least a populated environment (to force him to hide it) or an example from the show that portrays him having to hide his "techniques".

L. D.

Before he openly bloodbent Korra and Mako, he used subtle bloodbending in combat to throw off people's aim and also to remove bending. He was trying to preserve the illusion of being a nonbender, but still used his bloodbending in combat

Don't know the extent of Amon's subtle bloodbending. I only remember that one time when Amon resisted another bloodbender or completely bloodbend Korra.

He can fight like he fought against benders before revealing his bloodbending against Korra and Mako

@hatemalingsia: so basically times like this

@arcus:

Amon solos by blood bending them. XD

Has he ever used it to make people trip or subtly twist their hands during a fight?

Not really that I can remember. He pretty much just uses it to mess with people's aim and help dodge attacks

Can't really gauge that. With the videos you show he only really runs away.

Once he finds out how Toph earthbends through sensory means, he's going to bloodbend the hell out of her. And that's where I see the victory for Team 2.

L. D.

@llehdevil: it shows some of his dodging abilities at least, which is mainly how he used bloodbending

@arcus: what did i say! i want real benders! XD, anyway mhh honestly not sure it could go either way imo.

Amon and zaheer, them 2 are good enough to win, speed, pre-cog and all.

Zuko should beat zaheer any day, any night

toph..... may be good enough to beat amon.

So, team 1 for a slim majority.

@pierpat: why do you think Zuko beats Zaheer easily?

Toph got punked by Aang (who only used airbending) so I think Zaheer can do the exact same. Besides, he wouldn't hold back NEARLY as much.

Zuko should beat Amon w/out bloodbending.

Then it's Zaheer vs Zuko... Ehhh, Zaheer just sucks out his oxygen.

TEAM AMON.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: any reasons? @jonez120: course, Toph's also learned more about dealing with airbending. She tagged Aang in the comics on an airspout

Why do you think Zuko beats Amon?

@Arcus:

Zaheer/Amon would beat zuko easily. and tophs attacks would be redirected by amon. lets no forget amons chi blocking.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: why do you think it'd be easy? Amon doesn't exactly redirect attacks, he just throws off aim slightly, but he can still be tagged

@Arcus:

He only ever got tagged when he let his guard down. And when korra muscled her way out of his grip(PIS) and kicked him through a window.

neither of the two ppl on the opposing team in this battle have the speed needed to hit him. He'd simply dodge. With zaheer as backup.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: he got tagged by Tenzin in a straight up fight

@Arcus:

Amon? When?

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: when Mako and Korra rescued Tenzin and his family when Amon was about to remove their bending

@arcus: Who do you think would win?

@jonez120: could go either way imo

Zaheer pre flight is far inferior to tenzin, that is on aang's level of airbending

Zuko can't beat Aang mono-airbending, but he ain't getting stomped by him, so he will deal with a guy that can do the same things just to a much lesser degree.

@pierpat: to be fair, Aang holds back much more than Zaheer

Not that relevant here, given that even holding back he's simply overall better.

@pierpat: maybe, but usually Zuko only holds his own against Aang cause Aang's fighting defensively. When he got serious he put Zuko down. However, Zaheer's much more offensive to begin with

Debatable, given that zuko avoiding some of aang's attacks means zuko avoiding most of zaheer's, and fighting offensively gives more openings , and zuko was already dangerous for aang, imagine for a lesser aibender without other bendings.

@pierpat: I wouldn't say that Aang's usual opening attacks are much harder to avoid than Zaheer's. The closest fight Zuko ever had with Aang was in Bato of the Water Tribe. Cool fight, but Aang was using a lot of relatively weak attacks

Amon isn't going to hold back from bloodbending and let himself get mauled after seeing Toph's fighting style..

L. D.

@llehdevil: assume he doesn't have a choice here

@Arcus:

That wasnt a straight fight. Tha place was rowdy, in an uproar, amon wasnt facing only tenzin.

@Arcus:

That wasnt a straight fight. Tha place was rowdy, in an uproar, amon wasnt facing only tenzin.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: it was just Tenzin and Mako, Amon was dodging Tenzin's attacks, then Tenzin got him

Bump

@arcus: the thread you posted a gif/meme about zaheer ranting guru laghima and bolin sticking a sock in his mouth.

Hm......... Thinking.

I don't think I posted that, but I know what you're talking about

@arcus: maybe it was killerwasp

Might be

@Arcus:

Twas in a rowdy place. one on one he'd stomp them.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: maybe, though it makes sense that he'd have a harder time throwing off AOE or wide range attacks like the one Tenzin used without revealing his bending

@Arcus:

Yeah. But non of these two (toph and zuko) can do that.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: Toph can certainly do AOE attacks, Zuko could to a lesser degree

@arcus:

toph didnt show aoe.attacks in the anime

@arcus

and only during sozins comet did zuko have aoe attacks.