Zoro vs Killer Bee

Not what dosu says. 'your moves are at high speed, ours are at sound speed.' And he knows more about his abilities than you do.

Lee already fought with a sound speed opponent, making him sound speed.

The discription flat out says supersonic waves, whether your ideas match them or not has nothing to do with it.. Sasuke is faster than a supersonic wave, making him sound speed. Both claims on panel, no use denying them.

Where did the word 'sound' appear in naruto and jiraya's fight? Saying they're barely as fast?

No. Dosu's only move he's ever shown is his sound arm. And that's at sound speed. Because what did he use after saying that? His sound arm. Lee's not sound speed or he would have dodged the sound from the sound arm.

And Sasuke dodged a air wave. That's it. And he didn't even outrun it, even if it was supersonic. That's not sound speed.

Jiraiya made a move as a shoe was kicked off of his foot and was falling to the ground, giving time period to quantify how fast he moved. Naruto did similar things but with the 5 second time limit showing.

Hell, sometimes Naruto failed to clear 50m in 2 seconds in that fight. Giving him sound speed is generous.

Dosu's only move showed is sound arm? Dosu's only jutsu shown is sound arm. He says that his moves are at sound speed, while zaku's techniques are at sound speed. Lee at the time was strained. And couldn't see the sound anyway.

And sasuke dodged an attack stated,named and explained supersonic. Whether it was air, stone, magma doesn't matter. He covered equal distance, in opposite direction, as well as carrying sakura and naruto.

And kicking off your shoes means you're not sound speed? did I read that right? And Naruto was fighting another person, faster than him at the time. Someone that kept up with him in sage mode. He had to be careful..

Ok, to be clear.

1. Dosu said his moves were at sound speed, aka his jutsu (jutus means technique after all)

2. Dosu has 1 jutsu shown and it's literally explained as sound disrupting a person's balance and thus it moves at the speed of sound

3. Lee failed to dodge said move and is thus, not the speed of sound

4. Sasuke dodged an air wave shot by Zaku

5. Zaku's power is described as a supersonic air wave and/or controlling air pressure

6. It's a fact that something supersonic produces a sonic boom, which could act like an air ave

7. Zaku likely uses supersonic waves to produce a large sonic boom that launched at Sasuke, making it not sound speed

8. Reminder, we've seen since Haku, Sasuke knows how to shunshin aka focus chakra in his feet for more speed

9. Zaku telegraphed his move by holding out his hands and taunting Sasuke

10. Sasuke was enhanced by the cursed seal, and as far as we know he moved maybe 5 meters to the side, along with Naruto and Sakura, not sound speed at all, regardless

11. Jiraiya was shown, moving as fast as he can, blitzing pain in the time it took his sandal, kicked off of his foot, to reach the ground

12. We know what gravity and acceleration of an object towards the ground is, and the amount of time it would take a sandal to reach the ground after kicked off

13. Using a calc, Jiriaya was only mach .5 considering how far he moved, how much he attacked,etc. in that time period

14. Naruto failed to reach Pain who was standing still in 2 seconds from 50m away. That's pathetic. Also pain was shown being blitzed by Kakashi at times.

1. He didn't say his techniques/jutsu were sound speed. He remarked lee's moves were high speed, but theirs were at sound speed.

2. Agreed.

3. Lee at the time was strained from using initial lotus, and he couldn't see it.

4. Sasuke dodged zaku's supersonic air slice.

5. Yes. Supersonic waves.

6. Yes.

7. Not how it was explained. Contradicting Opinion. Discarded.

8. Agreed.

9. Agreed.

10. Agreed. He still had to dodge it, though.

11. Yes, he was enhanced, but he grabbed naruto and sakura before the supersonic attack reached them, and got behind zaku, who couldn't even follow him.

12. There is literally no proof that jiraya and sandals left at the same time. He actually took a stance, talked to the frog, maybe considered his strategy and went off, making a giant rasengan.

13. Calc. Not official statement.

14. Non sage mode naruto, and right after he had gone through a near-full kyubi transformation. Remember what it does to the body? And the five second is inconsistent with author's own statements about sound speed movements, amped lightening speed activation when about to die, lightening bolt cutting etc. anyway.

And panels for kakashi blitzing pein? And even if he did blitz pein, it doesn't say anything at all.

At least you gave up on the ridiculous downplaying of bijju bombs lol

Nah Bijuu Bombs are still less than mountain busters at the moment. Until Kishimoto decides to boost their power back to prior levels.

And no, 5 seconds is the only statement the author ever gave. He's never said anyone moves at sound speed, he's never shown lightning bolt cutting (again, could be a jutsu, likely was, which are nowhere near speed of lightning), and Itachi is pretty much godmodded by Kishimoto anyways so....Plus he's not really relevant, he never had involvement in the 5 second debacle.

What we know for a fact is the Kishimoto intends for Sage Mode Naruto and Kakashi to struggle with a 5 second opening. Period. Thus they're not that fast.

Repeated On panel mountain bust vs your random baseless claim. of course writer is given the edge, he owns the series, you don't.

Not really. Dosu said his moves were at sound speed. Zaku said he used supersonic waves. Itachi activated susano within a millisecond. Kakashi cut lightening. (Gai doesn't say anything about a jutsu) There are four consistent feats vs one inconsistent feat. Of course, the minority is considered outlier. For clarification, 4>1, making the five second outlier.

Nah, because the only time the author gave something quantifiable that is free from hyperbole and outside factors, the only time he showed an actual timer, was the 5 second thing. Plus it's more recent by far, meaning even if they were mach w/e it's been retconned to the 5 second thing.

Nah, sound speed is around 330 m/s. Quantifiable.

1/1000 th of a second is equally clear.And it is quite after time-skip. No retcon.

8tail form Bee would shoot one Bijuu Bomb and its over.

@aetherius: Wow... You bumped a 10 month old thread to say that? I mean yes Bee stomps but come on son...

Anyways this thread was made around the time when the majority of One Piece fans still thought Naruto < One Piece (power level). Now that is obviously not the case. Seriously I've re-watched One Piece recently and their feats are far from impressive compared to some of the stuff I've seen in Naruto. Even Luffy's. I guess One Piece was all hype back then. Because really and truly. I don't even see how Zoro would win a fight against Afro from Afro Samurai. Killer Bee could literally one-shot everyone in Luffy's crew with a single bijuu bomb. Accept Luffy himself.

Lol. This thread is precious. Non-mountain busting bijuu bombs. XD

The good old days... haha.

Well I believe KB wins.
Anyway, you forgot to give me a scan of Superman's innards toughness.

Should've restricted tailed beast mode lol. He knew it would be a stomp.

@lowlaville: here you go:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/2391258-ttac_14.jpg

Zoro would destroy B

Zoro could do it, but frankly, Bee with 8 tails could easily be too much for him.

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Zoro stomps.

Any Naruto Top tier shouldnt be compared with OP chars, the difference in speed its to much, but anyway Bee blitz and one shot him with that lariat that open Kisame.

This proves you are a troll (or just misinformed) how can you possibly believe lightning speed B can blitz Zoro someone who was a lightning timer pre time skip (and thats a low ball). only god tiers can blitz op characters b gets blitzed and one shot as his durability is lol tier and even if he could land he cant hurt Zoro at all his only chance to win is if he goes full 8 tails mode which ic he wont and also even if he did it has no speed feats either so would get chopped in half anyway so basically what sasuke did but like times 20.

If you or anyone has a problem with this you can debate me in this thread or get embarrassed in a cav you can choose lol

@thenewguysnm1: In the moment you said that Bee has lightning speed you embarrassed yourselve, how can people still belive that OP chars ( pre time skip) had lightning speed, its the most stupid thing i ever heard. Blueno was supersonic, ( he made sonic booms witch means he surpass sound speed) Luffy had the same speed as Lucci who was like 3 times more powerfull than Blueno ( we see that by that douri whatever thing that they use to calculed they power) how can beeing 3 times more powerfull that a supersonic guy put you at lightning speed? Lol by your logic Zoro by now is FTL because he dodge Kuma "supposed" light speed attack. Show me single feat that put Zoro at 3 digits in speed. You ( OPtards) are ridiculous, even Screwattack nows that Zoro isnt that fast ( and they are now for giving ridiculous power up at char) so yeah i really want to see those speed feats.

I assume Bee can go Bijuu Mode. So, he stomps.
And no, pre time skip strawhats aren't even close to lightning speed. It's heavily inconsistent and therefore an outlier.

Zoro

@thenewguysnm1: Khalifa never did that all she did was BLOCK a lightning that she already now was going to strike, the other feat i dont even now but its probably that lightning that is slower than sound that hit Zoro right? Or is that lightning that Usopp dodge? Lol. When i even said that a base my argument on screwattack lol, i just said that EVEN THEY KNOW that Zoro isnt that fast as the OPtards make it seem. When Bee was more faster than lightning? Keeping up with kcm Naruto? With Raikage? Now you ask for feats that put those chars at beeing more fasteres than lightning and i said Kakshi being more faster than lightning, Kakuzu " pupets" dodging lightning casually. Even Base Naruto can run casually to countries how about kcm Naruto that his speed was beeing confused with teleport. The feats are everywhere you are showing to me that you didnt even read/whatch Naruto.

Killer bee stomps if he goes Hachibi.

@djoss: The lightning luffy dogged came from a cloud so that is irrefutable.

Now are you trying to say kakazu lightning style is lightning speed as that can be debunked many ways though i will just say that manipulating your chakra to use lightning is not the same as the real thing.

You still have not shown any feats that show bee would hurt zoro in the first place remember the zoro in this match is current not pre skip so he is at least on par with B(lowball) so again how exactly is b gonna get past his precog and hurt him definetley not through blunt force piercing is also a no no how does bee win exactly.

This goes one of two ways

1. Zoro blitzes and one shots
2. they engage in a battle of skill with a sword and zoro overpowers and stomp

@thenewguysnm1: ? The one Usopp dodge came from a cloud and the one that was slower than sound that hit Zoro came from a cloud too. Is Usopp more faster than lightning? Zoro dodge Kuma " light speed attack" pre time skip, his Zoro FTL by now? How fast was that lightning that Luffy dodge? Do you know that all the lightning dont have the same speed right?

Bee won't go into bijuu mode right away, why would he go on it for someone like Zoro?

OT: Zoro wins.

seriously if bee fights him h2h zoro stomps

if bee goes 8tails it could go either way bee can one shot him with a bijuu bomb and zoro can one shot him with daisen sekai unless i'm missing something here

both the 8&9tails are not that different in size.

here's the nine tails compared to buildings and city blocks

and here's picas size compared to city blocks and buildings

and here's what zoro did to pica

but i'm leaning towards zoro he can swing his sword faster than bee can make a tailed beast bomb

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Bee's only chance is V2 jinchuriki state as it is confirmed harder than diamond. Obviously however tho if bee hits him with one bijuu bomb, zoro gets turned to paste.

So idk, maybe he can distract him wit sum clones or seal him wit sum ink clones? Then launch a bijuu bomb. Other than that tho, mah boi killer bee is definitely in another league in terms of true swordsmanship skill, Bee rapes zoro in THAT aspect lmao. Don't @ me bruh, I'm talking legit pure skill, not blitzing fast and cutting someone before they notice or cutting something really fucking big. Cuz that's what sword "skill" is in One Piece.

Zoro stomps low diff 8-9/10 tho.

@messiahblack9: Agree with you in almost everything except the part Zoro wins. Bee beats Zoro in H2h here the reasons:

1- Bee is more faster. He and Naruto run to countries in just one night and that was casually ( before they went to war), Team Taka and the Hokages did the same so this put them at 4 digits in speed CASUALLY.

2- Skill just like you say OP dont have skills the only thing that the swordman do its blitz and one shot that is not skill. Bee rapes him in skills

3- Hax: Zoro is physically more powerfull than Bee its true, but Bee can coat is swords with lightning chackra that made them virtually indestructable. Not even Zoro with Armament Haki will do something because those sword will cut Zoro haki. Now people are going to say how? Lightning attacks in Naruto verse can even cut Bijju tails (Sasuke) the same biju that can tank BIJUDAMAS, so yeah.

4- Observation Haki will be just like Sasuke sharingan i mean Zoro would know what was going to happen but we wont do nothing because speed and skill.

@djoss: yes for sure I agree wit most o that as well. Of course bee beats zoro in basic h2h for da most part of course, and honestly looking back if zoro did win it wouldn't be as much as a stomp as I made it seem, but I was jus taking into consideration that this fight wouldn't be straight h2h combat.

Zoro would be attempting to spam energy slashes and all that, bee would try and transform into his full tailed beast possibly if he's in character, and then Zoro would have an easier time cutting him up like he did to surume cuz tanking a tailed beast bomb doesn't prove anything for CUTTING durability, as explosives are completely different in nature. I completely agree wit what u said about the swords in your argument tho.

But like I said his V2 state is harder than anything Zoro has ever cut and Zoro wouldn't stand a chance. Btw tho, their TRAVEL speed from country to country doesn't directly equate to their COMBAT speed, but I do think Bee is faster in bother aspects none the less.

@messiahblack9: They combat speed its basically they travel speed ( i mean they dont trow punches as fast as they run but they definitely MOVE in combat at the same speed that they travel). About the Bee he definitely fight as fast as he travel i mean the guy can put 8 swords spinning in the air so fast that Shippuden Sasuke Sharigan ( remember that even KID Sasuke could see Kn0 Naruto moving) cant even keeping up. About the Biju i have to disagree if a biju can tank a Biju-dama ( an attack that VAPORIZE MOUNTAINS) it means that his skin is HARD AF think about that Dragon that Zoro cut but like 1.000.000.000 times more harder, i mean how can you say that Zoro wont cut the V2 ( 4 tails) but will cut the strongest version? People think that Zoro can cut Bee because of Sasuke that cut is tail but lightning chackra attacks that are Rank SS can basicly cut through anything, even Kakashi with is inferior version was cutting V2 of 7 tails i think.

@djoss: I say that he possibly could cut through the full tailed beast form because they don't seem to act the same as chakra modes do, ie.V2, kcm etc. Killer bee was stabbed by da 5 tails' horn in his full tailed beast mode and was bleeding despite da horns not being something you'd think would be on that level, as they lack sum type of "Chakra coating" or elemental enhancement.

But yee, its hella crazy that Lightning jutsu or enhancements are as sharp as they are, I don't disagree wit that at all. First Sasuke chidori was ripping thru gaara's extra hardened sand defence, chidori blade was cutting thru steel like its butter and eventually kakashi was cutting thru V2 jinchuriki states.

Ps. Pretty good feat for Naruto is that Naruto tanked an amped chidori from Sasuke point blank in they last battle and didn't even get scratched, which considering da feats above, is absolutely insane.

I know that in general they may move da majority of they body in they fights, which would equate to travel speed=combat speed, for da most part. However Olympic runners aren't attacking at the same speed as trained Kung fu masters, despite being faster on foot. Sasuke and kakashi specifically reach max straight forward speed when they use chidori/Lightning blade during da rush.

Admittedly a lil different for people like Naruto and Minato cuz Naruto uses body flicker for his best bursts of speed, which is a quick temporary vitalization of da body for quick speed boosts, so Naruto just uses body flicker repeatedly like he does in a zig zag formation while running. So your explanation does work better for people like him as Naruto can also use body flicker for long distance wit da amount of chakra he has and his mastery over such as well as in battle for blitzing, dodging and such.

However for bee, his travel speed isn't necessarily his combat speed because he attacks specifically wit slashes and thrusts of his blades which is purely hands. Moving his blades too quickly for Sasuke to keep up wit is more reaction plus short combat speed burst feats rather than translating to travel speed, as its jus him moving his arms faster and throwing blades too fast.

I get da points of yo entire post for da most part tho.

@messiahblack9: Exactly you get my point, they move their body as fast as they travel because go from where you are to where your opponent is, its a travel speed feat.

About the Killer Bee my bad, i totally forgot about he being stabbed by the 5 tails horn. But again it just mean that the 5 tails and the other Bijus are STRONG AF. I mean yah Zoro in the future could possibly cut a Biju but not now, its just like a said its in completely different leagues in durability than anything we seen in One Piece, its a very poor argument said that Zoro can cut a Biju just because the 5 tails did ( especially knowing that the 5 tails is physically stronger than anyone we seen so far in OP) i mean in the other day another One Piece fan said to me that Zoro can cut Frieza because Trunks did and Trunks dont have mountains feats with the sword so Zoro can cut him too. See how ridiculous that is. Its exactly what people are saying in this thread.

@djoss: Of course dawg, travel speed=combat speed for blitzing, yes. Up close and personal punching and such, no.

yeah I know where you coming from and as far as I know I agree wit u as well.

I try to cover all da bases I can for da most part tho, that's why I question thang's when possible, it also provides room for error.

All in all until proven otherwise, zoro cannot cut da bijuu I agree, so really we'd have to see them being cut by someone or something wit relative strength to Zoro or wit a non sharp/non powerful weapon. Or Zoro would need a feat of cutting something or someone wit that much durability.

BTW I'm not a "one piece fan" lol. Jus to throw that out there.

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@messiahblack9: Sorry man, i was not trying to say that you are an One Piece fan, really sorry for that.

Bee blitzes and beheads with Lariat....Kisame has better feats in every category than Zoro and he couldnt handle Bee. Also; feats > Scaling.

@djoss: what’s wrong with being a one piece fan? It’s the best selling manga for a reason ( its sales dwarf most popular manga out there)

@back_stabbath95: Their is absolutely nothing wrong.

@djoss: oh you said to the other sorry for calling him a one piece fan lol

kisame is nowhere near zorro is stats, zorro isabout several hundredtimes physicaly stronger than kisame.

and feats pre time skip zoro >>>>>>>> bee/kisame in close combat

@back_stabbath95: I think he felt insulted for i calling that bcause i said that another One Piece fan said a sh*t thing.

Bee stomps. Bijuu Dama gg. Ease.

@raziel2014: He has no speed feats to suggest he can counter blitz, he has no durability feats that label him able to tank Lariat if island level Kisame couldnt, and he cant cut a V2 Bee. Bee oneshots with Lariat, a BB, Raiton blade, multi-mountain tail swipe, etc.

Prove otherwise.