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#51 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
But that was a Silver Age Superman feat ( The Black Hole )... Kal Kent is far stronger than Silver Age Superman... so he can do feats far greater than what the SA Superman is capable of...
#52 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"I still dont see why Kal Kent couldnt hurt him... not if he is supposed to be leaps and bounds ahead of Silver Age Superman in raw strength... "

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

You cannot hurt the Juggernaut with raw strength, no matter how great it is.
#53 Edited by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"King Saturn said:
"I still dont see why Kal Kent couldnt hurt him... not if he is supposed to be leaps and bounds ahead of Silver Age Superman in raw strength... "

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

You cannot hurt the Juggernaut with raw strength, no matter how great it is."
Hmmmmm... many characters have Physical Invunerability and have been hurt by Superman... how is Juggs physical invunerabilty greater than some of the other enemies that Superman has faced ? Doomsday ? Despero ? Shaggy Man ? Is Juggs that much more durable than these characters ? 
#54 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Zoom said:
"King Saturn said:
"I still dont see why Kal Kent couldnt hurt him... not if he is supposed to be leaps and bounds ahead of Silver Age Superman in raw strength... "

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

You cannot hurt the Juggernaut with raw strength, no matter how great it is."
But thats a weak argument... many characters have great Physical Invunerability and have been hurt by Superman... how is Juggs physical invunerabilty greater than some of the other enemies that Superman has faced ? "
Because when the strongest characters in all of marvel hit him, nothing happens.

Even some of the toughest characters in DC like Superboy Prime get hurt when Superboy or comparable level characters punch them.
#55 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"King Saturn said:
"Zoom said:
"King Saturn said:
"I still dont see why Kal Kent couldnt hurt him... not if he is supposed to be leaps and bounds ahead of Silver Age Superman in raw strength... "

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

Physical invulnerability.

You cannot hurt the Juggernaut with raw strength, no matter how great it is."
But thats a weak argument... many characters have great Physical Invunerability and have been hurt by Superman... how is Juggs physical invunerabilty greater than some of the other enemies that Superman has faced ? "
Because when the strongest characters in all of marvel hit him, nothing happens.

Even some of the toughest characters in DC like Superboy Prime get hurt when Superboy or comparable level characters punch them."
But thats the thing. Who are the strongest of Marvel ? And how do they compare to the strongest of DC ? I mean would you say that Gladiator is as physically strong as Superman ? Or Sentry as physically strong as Martian Manhunter ? I dont know man... so how do we know what Juggs can really handle here against these DC Characters who show greater physical feats than there Marvel Counterparts ?
#56 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk has much greater strength feats than Superboy and despite what Hulk fanboys will tell you, the Hulk has failed time and again to actually physically harm the full powered Juggernaut in any way.

Even if you don't believe he's physically invulnerable, evidence clearly shows that he's waaaaaaay the hell tougher than Superboy Prime, another character who is so strong he breaks the laws of physics.

#57 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"

Hulk has much greater strength feats than Superboy and despite what Hulk fanboys will tell you, the Hulk has failed time and again to actually physically harm the full powered Juggernaut in any way.

Even if you don't believe he's physically invulnerable, evidence clearly shows that he's waaaaaaay the hell tougher than Superboy Prime, another character who is so strong he breaks the laws of physics.

"
I dont think The Hulk is stronger than Superboy Prime though... I mean you have to measure the fact the The Hulk doesnt have the speed that Superboy Prime does... and even if Hulk was a little stronger than Superboy Prime... what does logic tell us ? If something that is moving at light speed hits you will 200 billion tons strength the velocity of the attack would be greater than something that hits you with 500 billion ton strength moving at 100 miles an hour tops...isnt that why Zoom is so phyically powerful ? Because he can move so fast and the velocity of his attacks create a level of super strength for him ? 
#58 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

But the Hulk is stronger than Superboy, who can make Superboy Prime bleed in one punch to the face.

And yet the Hulk has never so much as brused a full powered Juggernaut.

Juggernaut's durability is superior to Superboy Prime's.  By a lot.

#59 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"But the Hulk is stronger than Superboy, who can make Superboy Prime bleed in one punch to the face.

And yet the Hulk has never so much as brused a full powered Juggernaut.

Juggernaut's durability is superior to Superboy Prime's.  By a lot."
How do you know The Hulk could make Superboy Prime bleed with one punch to the face ? Black Adam wasnt able to do that to Superboy Prime during the Infinite Crisis... you think The Hulk is stronger than Black Adam then ?
#60 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they're comparable but both are quite a bit stronger than Superboy.

But we don't even have to go by that example.  Dozens of characters have made Superboy Prime bleed.

The same cannot be said for the Juggernaut.

You've read a lot of my posts, KC.  I'm a DC fan through and through.  I hate the Hulk.  But I call 'em like I see 'em and the Juggernaut cannot be injured by physical force alone.

#61 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"

I think they're comparable but both are quite a bit stronger than Superboy.

But we don't even have to go by that example.  Dozens of characters have made Superboy Prime bleed.

The same cannot be said for the Juggernaut.

You've read a lot of my posts, KC.  I'm a DC fan through and through.  I hate the Hulk.  But I call 'em like I see 'em and the Juggernaut cannot be injured by physical force alone.

"
Ah Huh... and its KS not KC...

lol
#62 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh...I must have confused you with someone else. :-p

Where did KC go? <-<

#63 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Zoom said:
"But the Hulk is stronger than Superboy, who can make Superboy Prime bleed in one punch to the face.

And yet the Hulk has never so much as brused a full powered Juggernaut.

Juggernaut's durability is superior to Superboy Prime's.  By a lot."
How do you know The Hulk could make Superboy Prime bleed with one punch to the face ? Black Adam wasnt able to do that to Superboy Prime during the Infinite Crisis... you think The Hulk is stronger than Black Adam then ? "
kon-el made him bleed.  So did bart allen. 
#64 Posted by King Saturn (225046 posts) - - Show Bio
the human Juggernaut said:
"King Saturn said:
"Zoom said:
"But the Hulk is stronger than Superboy, who can make Superboy Prime bleed in one punch to the face.

And yet the Hulk has never so much as brused a full powered Juggernaut.

Juggernaut's durability is superior to Superboy Prime's.  By a lot."
How do you know The Hulk could make Superboy Prime bleed with one punch to the face ? Black Adam wasnt able to do that to Superboy Prime during the Infinite Crisis... you think The Hulk is stronger than Black Adam then ? "
kon-el made him bleed.  So did bart allen. "
Ah Huh... well maybe Emo Prime was going through that special time of the year

lol
#65 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
the human Juggernaut said:
"kon-el made him bleed.  So did bart allen. "
Bart Allen was supposed to be awesome as the Flash.  He would have been too, if they had given him a decent writer and not killed him off. :-(
#66 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"kon-el made him bleed.  So did bart allen. "
Bart Allen was supposed to be awesome as the Flash.  He would have been too, if they had given him a decent writer and not killed him off. :-("
how about that fight with zoom ;P
#67 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman One Million FTW!

Zoomernaut might be a little faster, but he gets mind raped since he doesn't have the helmet.

#68 Posted by Vrakmul (23849 posts) - - Show Bio
nathandan1222 said:
"One-Above-All said:
"Kal Kent's claim to fame is "faster than a speeding tachyon"

Superman's is "faster than a speeding bullet"

We all know how much faster Superman is than a bullet.  lol"

tachyons arent real though zooms gotta be 200 times faster then the speed of light"
Tachyons are real, we just can't detect them as photons can't catch up to them no matter what.
#69 Posted by nathandan1222 (1807 posts) - - Show Bio
Dreadnaught said:
"nathandan1222 said:
"One-Above-All said:
"Kal Kent's claim to fame is "faster than a speeding tachyon"

Superman's is "faster than a speeding bullet"

We all know how much faster Superman is than a bullet.  lol"

tachyons arent real though zooms gotta be 200 times faster then the speed of light"
Tachyons are real, we just can't detect them as photons can't catch up to them no matter what."

its a theory
#70 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
the human Juggernaut said:
"Zoom said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"kon-el made him bleed.  So did bart allen. "
Bart Allen was supposed to be awesome as the Flash.  He would have been too, if they had given him a decent writer and not killed him off. :-("
how about that fight with zoom ;P"

You mean the fight where Zoom used every power that he's been specifically stated to not have and mopped the floor with Bart for an entire issue before Bart one punched him?

Almost as silly as Deadshot beating Mirror Master.
#72 Posted by MeleeGod (96 posts) - - Show Bio

So like zommernaut Wins!

#73 Posted by highaccuser (8422 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Kal has any reaction feats.