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#1 Posted by jacobyLIVE (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

Not too knowledgeable on X-Man, but I know he is well revered in the Vine world. So I think perhaps a nice debate will be born of this. I hope this hasn't been done before. I tried the search function (which is being particularly buggy for me) and the alternate methods, so I apologize if it has already been made. 
 
The fight takes place New York City. Random encounter. Both are aiming to kill.  

#2 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom should win easily, unless  Nate starts in energy form hes screwed basicly

#3 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:

" Zoom should win easily, unless  Nate starts in energy form hes screwed basicly "

No, he isn't.
 
It's either a stalemate,
or X-Man eventually wins.
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#4 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

After seeing Nate manipulate time, I'd have to give the fight to him.

#5 Edited by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:   just read post below wasnt aware nate can manipulate time  that changes everything 
 
@Static Shock: when did this happen ?
#6 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" After seeing Nate manipulate time, I'd have to give the fight to him. "
Are you referring to the incident with Ares?
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#7 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @Morpheus_:   just read post below wasnt aware nate cna manipulate time to thats changes everything "
My point has nothing to do with X-Man being capable to manipulate time, or not. Zoom can hit X-Man a million times, destroy his body, and Nate will still be alright and capable to continue fighting in his psionic energy form. Zoom can't hurt X-Man now.
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#8 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  by that logic thou surely destroying nates non energy form would count as a tko at least ? , you wont get any dispute from me about Zoom hurting the energy form but surely destroying his psyhical form counts as some kind of win?
#9 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @Morpheus_:  by that logic thou surely destroying nates non energy form would count as a tko at least ? , you wont get any dispute from me about Zoom hurting the energy form but surely destroying his psyhical form counts as some kind of win? "
Not if he is able to continue fighting just a couple of seconds after his physical body is destroyed. If it required, say, 10 minutes for him to pull himself together, then yes, that would elicit a win for Zoom.
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#10 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @Static Shock: when did this happen ? "
I think it was in Dark X-Men or something. 
 
@Morpheus_: Yeah.

#11 Edited by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  i thought tko rules on here where same as boxing preety much, a incapacitation of more than a few seconds equals a win was i wrong ? , if iam you with have no arguements from me that nate would eventualy win.
#12 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow !!! Im very surprised the zoom fanboys havnt showed up yet to dispute this fact lmao !
#13 Posted by Xi Felix (797 posts) - - Show Bio

 
X-Man(or stalemate).

#14 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:

" @Morpheus_:  i thought tko rules on here where same as boxing preety much, a incapacitation of more than a few seconds equals a win was i wrong ? , if iam you with have no arguements from me that nate would eventualy win. "

 Incapacitation equals inability to continue for a certain time frame, at least in my book. I don't recall it being explicitly specified in the forum rules.
 
@VIZION2010 said:
" Wow !!! Im very surprised the zoom fanboys havnt showed up yet to dispute this fact lmao ! "

Probably because there aren't any.
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#15 Posted by Erik (32760 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man. 

#16 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  well then surely by that destroying Nates body would equal tko for a few seconds, i would like to make it clear i would prefer Nate to win but the rules  are unclear and a couple fo seconds could justify a tko loss here.
#17 Posted by Random Bucket (539 posts) - - Show Bio
@VIZION2010: Not many people are zoom fans lol they just know how powerfull he is but I think nate could take him
#18 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @Morpheus_:  well then surely by that destroying Nates body would equal tko for a few seconds, i would like to make it clear i would prefer Nate to win but the rules  are unclear and a couple fo seconds could justify a tko loss here. "
Since it is unclear, the way to interpret the rules is entirely up to you.
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#19 Posted by King Saturn (224150 posts) - - Show Bio
if Nate is in his Energy form... its gonna be hard for Zoom to hit him... could be a stalmate 
#20 Posted by blackadam (2137 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
"Zoom should win easily, unless  Nate starts in energy form hes screwed basicly "

x man is always in energy form now.
#21 Posted by JediXMan (30566 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
"It's either a stalemate, or X-Man eventually wins. "
I agree with this.
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#22 Posted by jacobyLIVE (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#23 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

If X-Man is in constant energy form, Zoom can't really hurt him except for with sonic attacks. 
 
In character, X-Man would easily win but out of character, Zoom'd probably try sonic snaps before X-Man gets a chance to respond. 
 
Do X-Man's time powers protect him from Zoom somehow?  What kind of energy is he?  (That is, would punching him be harmful to Zoom?) Would he be immune to sonics?  These are things I'd need to know before I could call it one way or the other.
#24 Posted by JediXMan (30566 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" If X-Man is in constant energy form, Zoom can't really hurt him except for with sonic attacks.  In character, X-Man would easily win but out of character, Zoom'd probably try sonic snaps before X-Man gets a chance to respond.  Do X-Man's time powers protect him from Zoom somehow?  What kind of energy is he?  (That is, would punching him be harmful to Zoom?) Would he be immune to sonics?  These are things I'd need to know before I could call it one way or the other. "
I can't answer the time thing. As for the energy, he appears to be pure kinetic energy. Daken's claws, Moonstone's beams, etc. all passed harmlessly through him.
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#25 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

But has anybody ever tried punching him? 
 
I'm not theorizing that Zoom can hurt X-Man by punching him, just making sure he wouldn't hurt himself.

#26 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll say stalemate

#27 Posted by ComicMan24 (147090 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man wins. As for the energy form I thought it was pure psionic energy.
#28 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

How would it be a stalemate?  X-Man can clearly ko Zoom the second he has a chance to act so it really comes down to if Zoom can ko him first or not.
#29 Posted by JediXMan (30566 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
"

But has anybody ever tried punching him? 
 
I'm not theorizing that Zoom can hurt X-Man by punching him, just making sure he wouldn't hurt himself.

"
I think X-Man is basically intangible. I think he can hurt them but they can't hurt him - but that's him directly hurting them, not them hurting themselves by touching him.
 
@Zoom said:
" How would it be a stalemate?  X-Man can clearly ko Zoom the second he has a chance to act so it really comes down to if Zoom can ko him first or not. "
The only possible way it can be a stalemate is if X-Man can't catch Zoom. But I don't see that happening (question: is Zoom immune to telepathy? I think he is but I want to confirm. If he isn't, he's screwed). Zoom cannot hurt X-Man.
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#30 Edited by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  i think i will stick to my guns then, its intirely possible that an actual body could be destroyed by zoom , but pure energy nate wont lose
 
@blackadam: acrulay he has a host solid body  that he walks around in if iam not mistaken and the energy form is essentialy his esence.
#31 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio

zoom doesn't have any immunity to tp assaults
#32 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio

No. X-Man is pure psionic energy form.

#33 Posted by jacobyLIVE (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else?

#34 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey FTW!!!

#35 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

So...X-Man is immune to sonic attacks?
#36 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom: Sonic attacks would hurt/dissipate pure psionic energy form?
#37 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

I think X-Man takes this one.

#38 Posted by Son Of Storm (11293 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @Zoom: Sonic attacks would hurt/dissipate pure psionic energy form? "
I don't see how.
#39 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son Of Storm: You are a vampire now?
#40 Posted by blackadam (2137 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
"@Morpheus_:  i think i will stick to my guns then, its intirely possible that an actual body could be destroyed by zoom , but pure energy nate wont lose
 
@blackadam: acrulay he has a host solid body  that he walks around in if iam not mistaken and the energy form is essentialy his esence. "

it was stated in the comic he was semi solid, his body isnt like yours of mine is something else, so i dont think physical attacks wont do nothing.
#41 Posted by Son Of Storm (11293 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @Son Of Storm: You are a vampire now? "
Yes..Just for a week  or two.
#42 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

Either Zoom, or Stalemate
#43 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dracade102 said:
" Either Zoom, or Stalemate "
How could Zoom win this?
#44 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son Of Storm: Well, I'll gather my garlic bombs.
#45 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @Zoom: Sonic attacks would hurt/dissipate pure psionic energy form? "

He's got ears doesn't he?
#46 Posted by Erik (32760 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @Edamame said:
" @Zoom: Sonic attacks would hurt/dissipate pure psionic energy form? "
He's got ears doesn't he? "
True, but they are not real ears. He is just pure psychic energy. 
#47 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite:
Oh, he can only move, what? x16 the speed of light? And plus, if he can use the environment around him to throw cars, buildings, etc... He'd be able to pull it off... Maybe.
#48 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dracade102 said:
" @Decoy Elite:
Oh, he can only move, what? x16 the speed of light? And plus, if he can use the environment around him to throw cars, buildings, etc... He'd be able to pull it off... Maybe. "
X-Man is made of pure psychic energy. He can't be harmed by physical attacks.....
#49 Posted by Erik (32760 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man but to be honest, I think it was a tad unfair to put Zoom in this fight with absolutely no way he can win. Seems like a spite battle really. 

#50 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" X-Man but to be honest, I think it was a tad unfair to put Zoom in this fight with absolutely no way he can win. Seems like a spite battle really.  "
Not all people have been informed on X-Man's current status, though.
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