Zoom VS Ultimecia

Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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I think you can still get an accurate idea of what they can do at full power throughout the game regardless of their levels, like with certain abilities and things, the "Level system" is simply to prohibit you from doing certain things at a certain point in time, in the beginning of the game, the Fire spell will do the same thing, as it does in the end, with more powerful of an effect than before. And, the damage increasement is simply for having enemies to seem stronger, in the end it doesnt really matter its how difficult they were for you on your level

Regardless, yeah we should use the plot detail and what theyve shown to be able to do, rather than what the game mechanics mean

hope my post made sense, MSN and logical reasoning doesnt work for me right now x__x

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Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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Mostly agreed, it's pretty hard to compare them to other mediums, excluding something like Advent Children."

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Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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Mostly agreed, it's pretty hard to compare them to other mediums, excluding something like Advent Children."

Game Mechanics don't count. That's like comparing 3D fighting games like Tekken VS 2D fighting games like Street Fighter due to the mechanics. Game mechanics bring alot of handy cap to debates, so try not to use them.

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"I think you can still get an accurate idea of what they can do at full power throughout the game regardless of their levels, like with certain abilities and things, the "Level system" is simply to prohibit you from doing certain things at a certain point in time, in the beginning of the game, the Fire spell will do the same thing, as it does in the end, with more powerful of an effect than before. And, the damage increasement is simply for having enemies to seem stronger, in the end it doesnt really matter its how difficult they were for you on your level

Regardless, yeah we should use the plot detail and what theyve shown to be able to do, rather than what the game mechanics mean

hope my post made sense, MSN and logical reasoning doesnt work for me right now x__x"

Anyway, I guess no body here had played the game hence, not know about Ultimecia.

Logic would tell me that Zoom would be unable to beat Ultimecia because though he has control of his own personal time; Ultimecia has total control of all time. There are many ways she could beat Zoom with just Time.  She would be able to compress all time into One Single Moment and erase his entire being and history all together in just one moment of time. She can accelerate or slow down her speed or the speed of others around her; Hence, if she can see Zoom in slow motion, she can move faster than him at any time she wishes. She would be able to take both time and speed away from Zoom. She can accelerate Zooms time zone to were Zoom would age rapidly. She would be able to rewind Zoom's time zone to were he would be a harmless baby. She would be able to make Zoom immortal and unable to die.

And these are just half of her powers. Ultimecia is not just limited to Time; but Space too. And since she has all the powers of all the known magic casters that ever lived; she is able to control or summon all the elements of life. And able to absorb powers, read minds, and use others as though Ash Catcham uses Pokemon.

The only person I know of that could beat Ultimecia without being nigh or completely omnipotent and omniscience would be Thanos with the Time Gem and Space Gem.

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Final Fantasy, while a really fun game, isn't compatable with any other medium.  Think about it.  Cloud at level 50 is waaaaaay more powerful than Cloud at level 1 to the point that something that could kill him at level 1 in one hit barely scratches him at level 50.  Everyone in the game is at least partially bulletproof.  Sometimes a man sized monster running into  the player character hurts more than machine gun fire.  The characters stand around and wait their turn to attack despite nobody else doing that. 

It's not compatable.  There's no frame of reference for anything final fantasy related against anything not final fantasy related.  Battles with Final Fantasy characters don't even make sense.

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That's a good point, but the same goes for any game with Leveling features. Have you played X-Men Legends? Good game, but characters at level 1 are waaaay weaker than them being at level 20. The "Wait While It's Your Turn" feature is just the games built-in mechanics.  Most RPG-like games use that battle system.. But let's try not to use game mechanics as the base of this debate, but the usage of the plots of the actual stories.
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