Zoom vs Team Speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rules/Conditions:

• Team Speed has full knowledge and 1 hour of prep
• Team Speed is in-character
• Team Speed has perfect teamwork
• Zoom is bloodlusted 100%
• Zoom knows that this team speed exists and knows that Barry, Jay and Reverse Flash are planning an attack

The Location:

Populated New York City

Mood Setter:

Too soon IMO, but Zoom should win against RF or Flash after all is said and done.

MCU Quicksilvers is a hilarious non-factor.

Jay Flash has no feats.

DoFP QS dies whenever he gets close to Zoom. Zoom catches him if he runs away.

Vine CW Flash gets backstabbed and dies.

IMO pitting Zoom against RF is too soon. Season 2 Flash's improvement in speed is not fairly quantifiable when put side-by-side with RF. In part because RF's own feats don't explicitly show his limits. Until Zoom is more fleshed out, I don't think he can easily beat RF who was able to make a lifelike speed mirage that fooled SWAT team and the entire main cast when he is in the same room with the latter. RF is so fast/skilled that he keeps up the charade by getting beaten up by his own speed mirage, then sending the same speed mirage to blitz the SWAT team and other armed cops. All of this in the same scene where he appears as two different persons with different clothes at the same time while multi-tasking and beating people up (including his own body) without leaving a single after image from the speed mirage-body double. He does all of that without making mistakes or slips, and without leaving any traces / anything suspicious. So also a feat for his intelligence.

lmao, Days of Future Past Quicksilver is faster than any of the others have shown. It isn't even close so far. He has speeds in a low showing of about mach 12, and at his highest over twice that.

@randomsid:

@hatemalingsia said:

@randomsid:

And? All that shows is he is faster than a camera can take a picture. Not all that fast.

FYI it brightens while Flash is moving and shines when Flash is right behind them. And Flash gets right back at the camera before the light fades away.

FYI in that same season, after this episode, they literally said his top speed he had ever reached was Mach 2.

FYI the literal words are "He just passed Mach 2."

Also IIRC it's not after this episode.

@randomsid: FYI you haven't explain this.

FYI The literal words were, "that's faster than I have ever run before". And it was in the season finale when they were talking about him opening the portal to go back in time.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/fox-mutants-vs-cw-meta-humans-1741246/

Read my posts there. The calculations were done by an associate professor of physics. I'll see if I can find a link to it.

Edit: Found it, and you can ignore the flash part as he was just going by the previews before the show was released there.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/whos-faster-flash-or-quicksilver/

And this is the man that wrote it:

http://www.wired.com/author/rhettallain/

Fox Quicksilver solos :D

With prep, RF and Barry likely could (and will solo in series finale :P)

Zoom is certainly the most fearsome live action speedster we've had, but he's not ready for this yet

I agree that eventually they will get there, but at this point none of them have shown even half the speed Days of Future Past Quicksilver has.

zoom reacted to and caught lightning..... thats over mach 58000

FYI that's the exact episode where Cisco said "He just passed Mach 2", stop making your own fan-fic. So it wasn't after this episode after all ...

No, he reacted to the lightning that Barry created which is nowhere near as fast as real lightning. Nice try, but it doesn't work that way.

Making my own fan-fic? Are you crazy? Go back and watch the episode. Hmm...Mach 2 vs at the absolute lowest, Mach 12 and at his fastest, Mach 24. Gee, I wonder which one is faster.

He is correct about reacting to lightning is child's play for CW Speedsters (Other than Jay).

Would you like to know more?

No thanks, I've seen the episode where Flash move's Joe out of the car before the lightning hits it. That wasn't reacting to lightning though as he knew it was coming before it happened.

Again, Zoom caught the lightning that Flash created, not real lightning and nowhere even close to the same speed.

I agree. Flash (CW) = Mach 2ish

@bakera8: Don't get me wrong, I actually love the show and watch every episode. I just get tired of seeing people wank the characters so badly. They will eventually get there, but give them time to do it. Stop being impatient and trying to push the feats they have up to a level they haven't reached yet.

I agree with you. I also love the show and watch every week. I like that Flash is only Mach 2 right now. I like seeing him grow.

He reacts to it by slowing down his time perception and dodges/moves Joe away from the lightning. Reacting is not the same with surprised. But, I can understand if you define it differently. Anyway, that's enough to make him faster than QS.

What is the speed of electricity?

@hatemalingsia said:

@randomsid said:

Making my own fan-fic? Are you crazy? Go back and watch the episode. Hmm...Mach 2 vs at the absolute lowest, Mach 12 and at his fastest, Mach 24. Gee, I wonder which one is faster.

Repeating the same thing doesn't change anything from before. Just a childish attempt at plugging your ears and saying "I can't hear you so I must be right".

He reacts to it by slowing down his time perception and dodges/moves Joe away from the lightning. Reacting is not the same with surprised. But, I can understand if you define it differently. Anyway, that's enough to make him faster than QS.

What is the speed of electricity?

Once more, he KNEW IT WAS COMING. That isn't reacting to it.

Didn't I prove that Mach 2 is not the upper limit of Flash? I sense your lack of common sense disturbing.

Oh look! From this whole paragraph:

He reacts to it by slowing down his time perception and dodges/moves Joe away from the lightning. Reacting is not the same with surprised. But, I can understand if you define it differently. Anyway, that's enough to make him faster than QS.

You only bothered to mention reacting.

What is the speed of electricity?

No you didn't. If he is able to run/react at light speed or such than why where they so concerned about him getting to Mach 2 in the season finale?

It doesn't matter what the speed of electricity is, he didn't react to it. He knew it was coming and started moving out of the way before it was sent after them.

@randomsid: got any proof the lightning barry creates isnt as fast as actual lightning? do all the science/physics genius's saying its lightning mean nothing even without you having proof otherwise...............

also you say he knew the lightning was coming against weather wizard but this is false.... he had no idea ww could use lightning and by the time he noticed it was coming it was already through the sun roof mere inches from their heads and he still unbuckled his seat belt and saved joe.

Because they weren't concerned about his speed. They were concerned about the wormhole that was created when Barry travelled through time.

@randomsid: Just curious but how do you know that barry's lightning thrown isnt the speed of lightning lol... They slowed it down on purpose during that scene to show us how fast zoom actually is to be able to react to lightning , catch it and throw it back to barry ,

Blackout is a metahuman that has electrokenesis . Meaning ? He manipulates electricity . Flash was faster than his electricity . Last time i check the speed of electricity isnt just at mach 2...

explain this .

You keep churning out fan-fic just to low ball Flash, it's not funny anymore. He didn't move (as in trying to get away) at all until the lightning was a feet away.

I found the clip so I don't need to make GIF:

I just watched the scene on my laptop. Dr. Stein and Caitlyn both say IF you reached the needed speed. Dr. Stein says "Mach 2 at a minimum" to which Caitlyn says "You have never gone that fast."

CW Flash can only run 1,600 MPH as it shows in the last episode of season one (plus whatever he is now in Season two after 6 months of training).

@hatemalingsia @zr0c00l: You see them both clearly look behind them, they are already warned because of the weather report on the radio. He is warned about it, pure and simple.

@sally81919: Just like the lightning shown in the Avatar cartoon, we do not know the speed they use it at. It isn't real lightning. Plain and simple. The fact of the matter is that in the season one finale they clearly make a huge deal about his top speed being mach 2. It doesn't matter what "feats" you show when they clearly tell you what his top speed was. Just like the case of the comic where they show Flash saving an island of people before an explosion, you can calculate it at much faster, but the author clearly tells you what speed he was going. When the author clearly tells you the speed, that is all that matters.

Again, stop trying to push him above what has been stated and shown. Give him time to grow, he will soon enough. It's a great show but you guys are doing the same thing that makes people hate flash fanboys.

Explain to me why is Flash not faster than QS when he can move away from a lightning just a feet away.

FYI What is the speed of lightning? You never answered that pure and simple.

thats only to her knowledge (and not even that really).... when barry saved wells from blackout she couldnt even perceive it so cant quantify it.... when he saved joe from lightning inches from his head she wasnt there. when he created a wall of wind on the coast line a feat she said would be impossible at any speed he went back in time and erased ever doing it from the timeline.... hes gone over mach 2 plenty of times where caitlin would have never known about it.

also he beat a camera flash and caught the camera before it dropped even an inch right in front of her face he also ran with caitlin in his arms to out race a nuclear explosion...... her saying that mach 2 is his top speed contradicts lots of actual feats and we all know feats>>statements.

and if we are counting statements then statements from actual speedsters hold more weight and jay garricks said twice hes near light speed and that barry is faster than him.

It doesn't matter. Are you blind? The clearly make a huge deal about him reaching mach 2 and say he has NEVER gone that fast before. They wouldn't make that big a deal about it if he had gone faster than that before. Authors words are WAYYYYYYY over your opinion.

Answer this in YES or NO only.

When Flash travelled through time for the first time (when he was trying to save the city), did Caitlyn gauge Flash's speed or not?

@randomsid: warned about what an imminent attack??....sure but flash had no idea that weather wizard could use lightning to attack as he hadnt done it before and neither did his brother. all he saw was ww close his fist he had no way to know lightning was the attack he just as easily could have been calling down a tornado or giant hail. what we do see is flash look up just as the lightning goes through the sunroof then we see him speed up to the point where the glass fragment from the sunroof are frozen in the air and the lightning is crawling. At no point did he start to move before the lightning was upon them theres video evidence i dont know how youre trying to deny this you just sound silly when theres video proof....... also how did he do this at mach 2 max debris and glass are frozen solid in the air and he saved at least 9 people while the train was derailing........... you should stop

@zr0c00l:

Its not just Caitlyn saying it! It is the writers of the show stating that Barry has never gone past Mach 2. This is a fictional world created by writers. The Speed of lightning is 93,000 Miles per second!!

BUT IT DOESNT MATTER!

Have you ever thought the writers don't know how fast lightning is? That they just wanted a dramatic scene for Barry to save joy?

Think about this why would the show make a big deal about him hitting Mach 2, if the audience know he can beat that speed? They wouldn't. They are trying to make the show dramatic by upping his speed in the last episode of the season.

Yes the science is not consistent with the real world. That what happens in comic books. The writers have clearly stated his speed to be 1,600 MPH when they showed his speed on the display in episode 23.

we all know feats>>statements.

and if we are counting statements then statements from actual speedsters hold more weight and jay garricks said twice hes near light speed and that barry is faster than him.

Your question needs more than a yes or no. I had this talk on here earlier today.

In Episode 16 Thawne claimed that Barry's ability to time travel may not be linked to his speed, but an ability to time travel regardless of movement. Meaning FTL speeds are not required.

9:30ish into Episode 16 (I just watched it on my laptop) Barry is on the treadmill and claims to be going just as fast as he was when he time travelled. Well explains other factors could effected his time travel, not speed!

BTW the treadmill has a display showing Barry's speed on it, he is only going 900ish MPH.

CW Flash can time travel without breaking light speed.

@bakera8: so the writers of the show have used jay garrick to say hes nearly lightspeed and that barry is faster than him too and wells agreed and they have way more knowledge about speedsters than dr.snow so idk where youre going with this......

Let's start from the beginning again:

It doesn't matter what the speed of electricity is, he didn't react to it. He knew it was coming and started moving out of the way before it was sent after them.

You keep dodging about this, and keep clinging to irrelevant answer. Even though that was totally not what I asked.

Next you said this:

@randomsid said:

Next:

You see them both clearly look behind them, they are already warned because of the weather report on the radio. He is warned about it, pure and simple.

Still dodging my question. So I pressed on, and this is your reply instead of answering my question. You just threw what is left of the relevancy in your own posts to me:

It doesn't matter. Are you blind? The clearly make a huge deal about him reaching mach 2 and say he has NEVER gone that fast before. They wouldn't make that big a deal about it if he had gone faster than that before. Authors words are WAYYYYYYY over your opinion.

So I answer this: I proved it that he is actually faster than Mach 2.

I wondered why you keep running around and going back and forth without answering my question. Oh right,

I find your lack of common-sense disturbing.

LOL?? Not real lightning ? Not real electricity ? Electricity is electricity as simple as it is ... There is no twisted explanation to this unless that is not purely electricity but it actually is ... Not true . If you want to play this game , I can too . You know the machine could have been faulty or not accurate . His top speed is mach 2 even tho he has caught bullets that put themselves way above mach 2 ? What type of logic is that . The feats contradicts the statements in this show ... inconsistencies you can say . Let me give you an example . ( fake one ) . It takes flash to be mach 10 to "jump" . He is able to jump BUT the machines say hes mach 2 ... There is no other explanation other than the show being inconsistent ... That is just another inconsistency . The feats are laid down . Throughout the Flash series , barry CAN travel faster than mach 2 . However , just a statement proves otherwise . Seems like an inconsistency to me . Its no surprise that shows are inconsistent .

What has been shown ? Like how he outran lightning on several occasions ? Or maybe reacted to point blank explosions ? Outran bullets that are faster than mach 2 ? You mean these that show flash is above mach 2? Or do u mean just 1 episode where a machine says that barry is mach 2 . LOL ... Because we show the true speed of barry ?

Bro... this isnt over "opinion".... Its a fact . A fact that contradicts another fact . What are you gonna say ? The show is inconsistent what can we do