Zoom vs Silver Surfer and Superman Prime

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

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@Petey_is_Spidey said:

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@Petey_is_Spidey said:

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@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

Feel free to point out to me where I said that. I'll wait. Zoom hits as hard as they do. That is the entire point.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

Feel free to point out to me where I said that. I'll wait. Zoom hits as hard as they do. That is the entire point.

To be able to hit hard means you have to at least have decent strength, which he's only no stonger than Wolvie, who can only lift 2 tons.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

Feel free to point out to me where I said that. I'll wait. Zoom hits as hard as they do. That is the entire point.

To be able to hit hard means you have to at least have decent strength, which he's only no stonger than Wolvie, who can only lift 2 tons.

No. To be able to hit hard means you need to have adequate force. Ask Zum, preferably before Flash sent him flying around the world with one punch.

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

......no.

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

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@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

Feel free to point out to me where I said that. I'll wait. Zoom hits as hard as they do. That is the entire point.

To be able to hit hard means you have to at least have decent strength, which he's only no stonger than Wolvie, who can only lift 2 tons.

No. To be able to hit hard means you need to have adequate force. Ask Zum, preferably before Flash sent him flying around the world with one punch.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Floopay said:

Surfer moves several times faster than the speed of light at his fastest, he can be intangible, has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, can lift 100 tons with his pinky. Is nearly invulnerable without being intangible, has energy blasts that can destroy planets without direct contact, can fly, and has a myriad of other abilities. Zoom is not taking this one, I love Zoom, he might be able to take SMP, but Surfer can take Zoom, and possibly even take SMP and Zoom...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That is travel speed. Not reaction speed. Surfer has never reacted to anyone who moves as fast as Zoom, and all the wonderful things he can do are a moot point if he cannot react to Zolomon in the first place.

Not intangibility and Molecule control.

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

Ok, even if he can't react, how can zoom hurt him without it being PIS or CIS.

Zoom's hurt Superman and Wonder Woman without a problem. So.....what exactly are you talking about?

Silver Surfer has way higher durability than them put together.

His durability is hardly that high, and he's simply not durable enough to just shrug off a Zoom blitz. You're assuming brute force won't work on Surfer in this instance despite the fact that it's worked for Thanos, Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I have no idea why you think Zolomon can't replicate the effect. Perhaps it fits your placement of Zoom better.

Those three examples are able of lifting 1 million tons+. Thanos has takin the whole marvel U, thor is a god with strength to argue Superman's, and BRB is just as strong as thor. Those three are heavy hiiters that could put even Wonder Woman down just with there brute force.

So are Superman and Wonder Woman. Thanos has only taken on the MU with plot device sources of omnipotence. He beat Surfer to death with just his bare hands. I fail to see the point of this post.

So basically you're saying zoom has the strength of thor and BRB, i don't think so.

Feel free to point out to me where I said that. I'll wait. Zoom hits as hard as they do. That is the entire point.

To be able to hit hard means you have to at least have decent strength, which he's only no stonger than Wolvie, who can only lift 2 tons.

No. To be able to hit hard means you need to have adequate force. Ask Zum, preferably before Flash sent him flying around the world with one punch.

But that force and speed of the hit means nothing if you don't have the adequate amount of strength applied to it.

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

No. To be able to hit hard means you need to have adequate force. Ask Zum, preferably before Flash sent him flying around the world with one punch.

But that force and speed of the hit means nothing if you don't have the adequate amount of strength applied to it.

......no. Basic physics. Force is mass x acceleration, and your mass increases the faster you go. Strength plays no part in it, or at the very least an insignificant part.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

And he cannot do it before Zoom strikes.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

And he cannot do it before Zoom strikes.

This is to what you said earlier:

• It takes brainwave reaction to turn yourself intangible or to control molecules, not physical reaction.
• No one knows how fast silver surfer's brainwaves are, if he even has a brain.
• And for all we know sufer's brain waves can be faster than zoom's travel time.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

And he cannot do it before Zoom strikes.

This is to what you said earlier:

• It takes brainwave reaction to turn yourself intangible or to control molecules, not physical reaction.
• No one knows how fast silver surfer's brainwaves are, if he even has a brain.
• And for all we know sufer's brain waves can be faster than zoom's travel time.

Yes, that is what I said. Now if you want to proceed with this line of argument, provide proof that Surfer's brainwaves are faster than Zoom's, keeping in mind that Zoom has enhanced brain activity of his own. If you can't, which you can't, then this is just speculation and hardly anything to debate.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

YOU know who is Superman Prime

Yes the guy who Easily ripped MXY from a next dimension easly

Surfer is useless here compare to superman Prime he is like a ant .

Which prime are we talking about

@termiteone4ever said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Wait Superman Prime is way too powerful he is above sky father level .

NO, just NO.@Om4zd said:

Zoom can slow time relative to himself btw to the people that think team wins.

Silver Surfer can also freeze time.

YOU know who is Superman Prime

Yes the guy who Easily ripped MXY from a next dimension easly

Surfer is useless here compare to superman Prime he is like a ant .

Surfer and SMP are on the same side, and SS can put up a good fight against SMP. So no, SS is more like a male Lion here.

@HolySerpent said:

Which prime are we talking about

SMP from earth prime.

Team stomps. Easily. Either SS or SMP could solo. Both together is overkill.

Zooms dies.

@Jeronimo said:

Team stomps. Easily. Either SS or SMP could solo. Both together is overkill.

Zooms dies.

Present evidence as to how either Surfer or Prime can react to Zoom moving at his fastest. I'll save you some time: there is none.

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

Bart Allen alone has hurt him twice, in Legion of Three Worlds and Infinite Crisis. The Flashes did not try to physically hurt him, they tried to push him into the Speed Force. Not the same thing. Prime can't even touch Zoom, he couldn't even touch Kid Flash. Twice.

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

THANK. YOU. Finally someone who understands.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

THANK. YOU. Finally someone who understands.

Maybe someone can understand how Prime even touches Zoom, who's wasted Bart Allen with one hit? Bart Allen, the guy Prime couldn't touch?

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

THANK. YOU. Finally someone who understands.

Maybe someone can understand how Prime even touches Zoom, who's wasted Bart Allen with one hit? Bart Allen, the guy Prime couldn't touch?

Ok lets see what we're facing here:

• How can he touch Surfer if HE'S IN THE AIR
• Surfer can just blow up the planet before zoom can do anything.

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I believe zoom can beat many people(hulk, juggernaut, hyperion, superboy, flash etc.), but i don't thin these to are one of them.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I believe zoom can beat many people(hulk, juggernaut, hyperion, superboy, flash etc.), but i don't thin these to are one of them.

Then you think wrong.
BB

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

THANK. YOU. Finally someone who understands.

Maybe someone can understand how Prime even touches Zoom, who's wasted Bart Allen with one hit? Bart Allen, the guy Prime couldn't touch?

Ok lets see what we're facing here:

• How can he touch Surfer if HE'S IN THE AIR
• Surfer can just blow up the planet before zoom can do anything.

I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Doing that BFR's Surfer. Are you suggesting he should win by first losing?

@CitizenBane said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

Good argument for the team. I'm convinced now, the team ftw :)
BB

@Billy Batson said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I believe zoom can beat many people(hulk, juggernaut, hyperion, superboy, flash etc.), but i don't thin these to are one of them.

Then you think wrong.
BB

I don't even see how zoom can hurt SS if he is in the air.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

• Disintegrate him
• use molecule control
• transport him to another universe
• bfr

The list goes on.

@CitizenBane said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

Montyboy did on the first page.

The flashes bfr to the speed force because he was killing everyone and they couldnt stop him. Then later in the next issue flash came screaming saying they couldn't hold him and he's coming. In the sinestro corp series the flashes try to jump him with a group of heroes and he still stomp

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

• Disintegrate him
• use molecule control
• transport him to another universe
• bfr

The list goes on.

Are you serious? How many times does this need to be said?

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

@HolySerpent said:

The flashes bfr to the speed force because he was killing everyone and they couldnt stop him. Then later in the next issue flash came screaming saying they couldn't hold him and he's coming. In the sinestro corp series the flashes try to jump him with a group of heroes and he still stomp

........so what? None of the Flashes would beat Zoom either.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

• Disintegrate him
• use molecule control
• transport him to another universe
• bfr

The list goes on.

Are you serious? How many times does this need to be said?

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

BUT HOW CAN HE HURT HIM IF HE CAN'T TAG HIM!!!!

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

• Disintegrate him
• use molecule control
• transport him to another universe
• bfr

The list goes on.

Are you serious? How many times does this need to be said?

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

BUT HOW CAN HE HURT HIM IF HE CAN'T TAG HIM!!!!

.......again, are you serious? Surfer moving out of range is losing.

@god_spawn said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

Montyboy did on the first page.

A pox on montyboy and everyone dear to him.

@CitizenBane said:

@god_spawn said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

Montyboy did on the first page.

A pox on montyboy and everyone dear to him.

BB

I believe zoom can beat many people(hulk, juggernaut, hyperion, superboy, flash etc.), but i don't thin these to are one of them.

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

@Billy Batson said:

@CitizenBane said:

@god_spawn said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Billy Batson said:

I like how people know almost nothing about Zoom.
Probably think that he's just like the Flash but only evil and dressed in yellow.
BB

I'm just waiting for the first person (probably Hoboseid) to say "Wonder Woman and Liberty Belle could tag him, why can't Surfer?". I love those people.

Montyboy did on the first page.

A pox on montyboy and everyone dear to him.

BB

Fail.

Even if Zoom lands a punch on SS, Zoom dies because SS would then immediatly enact a very powerfull area of effect blast that travels at the speed of light outward from SS's body. At which point Zoom would be punching into an energy he has absolutely no control over. That means Zoom has a fraction of a fraction of a second to land as many blows as he could which, by the way, would not kill SS. Then Zoom and the rest of the planet dies. The end.

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Surfer doesn;t even need to "tag" zoom to hurt him.

Then what do you suggest he does? Insult Zoom's mother? Sure.

• Disintegrate him
• use molecule control
• transport him to another universe
• bfr

The list goes on.

Are you serious? How many times does this need to be said?

Every. Single. Thing. Surfer. Can. Do. Requires. Him. To. First. Either. Think. Or. React. Neither. Of. Which. He. Can. Do. Before. Zoom. Strikes.

BUT HOW CAN HE HURT HIM IF HE CAN'T TAG HIM!!!!

.......again, are you serious? Surfer moving out of range is losing.

If surfer sees he's obviously loosing, then i believe he will attack from the air.

@Silver2467 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

I believe zoom can beat many people(hulk, juggernaut, hyperion, superboy, flash etc.), but i don't thin these to are one of them.

So you created the thread...why?

@HolySerpent said:

Evidence to show zoom taking down someone one on prime level when the flashes couldn't do it

This comment makes no sense. Characters such as Martian Manhunter, Bart Allen, Power Girl, Superman, and so on have all hurt Prime. Why would Zoom, whose blows are evidentially more powerful than theirs are, be incapable of beating him? And you are aware that Prime ran away from the Flashes to instead fight other heroes during SCW, yes? The question you pose here is irrelevant because Prime contrarily could never beat the Flashes, and Zoom has never been in a situation which required him to engage an opponent as powerful as Prime. At any rate, Zoom is more powerful than the Flashes and has defeated more than one of them at once. And since we are using ABC logic, Zoom has evaded hits from characters who have tagged Prime, such as Earth-2 Superman and Power Girl.

The facts are these: Zoom can throw punches with greater force to those of Superman (who can injure Prime with physical blows), Zoom has moved too fast for Flash to even see (whose perception speed is overwhelmingly superior to Prime's), and Zoom can casually deliver hundreds of strikes per second with a single arm (which is more than enough to drop Prime). As a result, he can beat Prime. This isn't complicated.

I created it beacause my bro says zoom could take surfer and prime.

What do mean so what?you brought the flashes. All I'm looking for evidence from you to say zoom can ko someone on prime level. When universal explosion that wipe all life out couldnt do it

What do mean so what?you brought the flashes. All I'm looking for evidence from you to say zoom can ko someone on prime level. When universal explosion that wipe all life out couldnt do it